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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:57 pm UTC

jimbob looks to be the safe play here as people paired him with Madge, moody and plytho as well (and I still like him as a possible buddy of LaserGuy :D ).
If jimbob is town then I don't really have a good pair in mind (apart maaaaybe from plytho + LaserGuy).
And it could always be lurker!Madge in which case I'm policy-lynching her in future games latest D2 unless she starts to contribute.

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Re: Wams belated simple game

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:04 pm UTC

Unofficial votals so we have them on this page:

jimbobmacdoodle - 2 - LaserGuy, Sabrar
moody - 2 - jimbobmacdoodle, plytho
plytho - 1 - moody

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby mpolo » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:14 pm UTC

From page 9 (to have some chance of finishing):

jimbobmacdoodle
Spoiler:
Accepts my claim. Scum in {plytho, moody, Madge, LaserGuy}. Asks Sabrar why LG changed in evaluation after the claim. jimbob hasn't so much tunneled on LG as LG was the major topic of the discussion. Thinks Madge could be LG's buddy.

Madge has little content, likes LG's case against plytho, but still sees LG as scummy. moody is bad on D2, little seems townie, has read mpolo as strong scum for most of the game, seems to avoid certain questions, reads LG as town, team is plucked from thin air (just wants to lynch the less active players), likely scum. plytho does not seem scummy at all. Good responses to LG, team analysis reasonable. lynchable = {moody,LaserGuy}.

How does Sabrar go from "Madge is not a cop" to trusting LaserGuy?

LG's weird argument about tracker-clear is not alignment indicative. Why isn't moody a possible scum for Sabrar? Madge hasn't answered a question yet.

did not suddenly read plytho as town. It developed over the last few days.

Since scum!LG only has one buddy and Madge was AWOL had him as town. Why would he be easy to lynch?

Plytho's vote on LG wouldn't have mattered. It was clear that he was anti-LG. Why is Sabrar so confident. If the buddy is in both teams, why not vote him?

Common buddy for Sabrar is likely Madge.

town!LG hurts argument against moody. Overly confident of scum read on LG. Thinks plytho is still town. moody showed no progression on plytho, just suddenly vaulted him to townie. Mistakes: playing with limited time. Tunnelling plytho, ignoring moody/bessie.

Madge hasn't posted since question. Not vote-worthy until she answers. Votes moody to try to build consensus. Plytho is tunnelling severely. LG might have saved himself in various ways. Why does Sabrar think people are sheeping him?

Overdefensiveness at the moment to avoid a mislynch.

What slip does plytho see? Does not understand moody trying to link himself to jimbob.

Confidence about plytho down, OMGUS. Madge doesn't look good for not voting. Most scummy LG>moody>Madge.


plytho
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Thought that scum rolecop might be explanation for me, but unlikely.

Why is town LG incompatible with scum jimbob?

Responding to Sabrar's "super secret info".

Misread my statement.

Sabrar can't be scum after the last posts.

Scum is likely {moody, jimbob}. Moody has avoided giving opinions on jimbob. But Madge and LG don't look townie at all.

Having problems with confirmation bias. A few posts look like jimbob coaching moody. D1, moody jumps in jimbob's eyes with only "gut" to support. This could be reason for moody reading LG townie.

Votes jimbob. Trying to manipulate by reading townie. Moody's read on jimbob is silly.

Would feel better about jimbob's town read if it came before plytho under pressure.

Sabrar led him to investigate moody. LG was too easy to lynch, so likely town. That made jimbob-moody the likely team.

jimbob probably annoyed that he read plytho as town and now can't vote him.

moody has started sheeping Sabrar. Not planning to change opinions at this point.

LG was an easy lynch because it would have been 3 talkative players against one. LG couldn't likely muster the other 3 to save him.

(repeat)

Thinks the game is solved.

Not a mistake to read mpolo as scum.

The line about annoyance in jimbob is more giddiness on plytho's part.

<gets EXTREMELY active on page 11>

Still thinks it would have been easy to lynch LG. Plytho's backing down influenced others' read on LG.

Clarifies about hammer.

Madge and moody need to vote!

Notes that moody has not had a single opinion on jimbob D2. Moody ignores that he tried to explain to LG why he was scumhunting him.

Thinks moody's statement that plytho thinks he's solved the game is a slip.

Only a townie can think he's solved the game. mpolo will vote, but it is not alignment-indicative.

Votes moody as the sure thing.

Why doesn't Sabrar want to vote for moody?

Plytho feels LG is just trying to get town credit by supporting LG. Doesn't it bother that moody's last word about jimbob was D1? Madge is 3rd scummiest.

(repeat jimbob annoyed)

what does LG think of moody ignoring jimbob?

(repeat)

moody's explanation for somitomi vote over jimbob doesn't count.

moody remains constantly unquestioning of jimbob.

moody cynically paints plytho in scummy light (except where he assumes that he is town)

Is absolutely certain about moody, most likely with jimbob. Distancing might be too over the top. If not, with Madge.

Time getting short.

Does Sabrar think that comment about somitomi vote counts?

jimbob/Madge is impossible because convinced about moody. Moody is in damage control mode.


What does this all mean? Jimbob is not making any move on plytho despite the incessant attack. Plytho says this is because he already committed to a town read and this is torturing him. (not in those words).

Plytho has started with rapid-fire postings, each responding to one thing. Several are simply repeating arguments he has already made. He is tunnelling extremely on moody, and almost as extremely on jimbob.

From where I'm sitting, either of the two (jimbob or plytho) is still a possible scum team member. Both of them are fingering moody, which I'm not sure if it counts for or against moody…

From general posting style and gut feeling, I'm going with

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:19 pm UTC

I've arrived. I've really not got much else to say. Feeling a bit despondent about my chances of avoiding bring mislynched at this point, especially as I can't really see what else I could have done given time, availability etc.

As said earlier, I'll compromise to basically anybody apart from mpolo, of it ensures I don't get lynched. I'm not likely to be posting anything between now and deadline, but if people want me to address something specifically, quote ping me.

Ninja'ed by mpolo. Okay, that makes me feel a bit better, but I still think it's a mislynch.

@Sabrar, join us on moody?
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:20 pm UTC

EBWOP, or plytho, I guess.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:22 pm UTC

As said before moody is third choice for me.

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Vote: plytho


Unofficial votals:

plytho - 3 - moody, mpolo, Sabrar
moody - 2 - jimbobmacdoodle, plytho
jimbobmacdoodle - 1 - LaserGuy

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:23 pm UTC

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:As said earlier, I'll compromise to basically anybody apart from mpolo, of it ensures I don't get lynched.
Would you vote defnesively if it results in NL?

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby plytho » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:32 pm UTC

Moody is reading the thread, still has no opinion on jimbob.

mpolo wrote:From general posting style and gut feeling, I'm going with

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:33 pm UTC

I'm still here, though not much I can do except tie the vote. Unless people want to vote Madge? :P

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby plytho » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:35 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Moody is reading the thread, still has no opinion on jimbob.
Why isn't this bothering anyone?
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:36 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
jimbobmacdoodle wrote:As said earlier, I'll compromise to basically anybody apart from mpolo, of it ensures I don't get lynched.
Would you vote defnesively if it results in NL?
No. NL gives town less info and just confuses the issue further, whilst also leading to MYLO and a likely backlash against me too. If there were more time before deadline, I might have tied up the votals, and unvoted only of nobody else was showing signs of moving.

Oops, nearly hammered by accident (thanks for the unofficial votals :shock: ). Let me know if you want me to.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:37 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
plytho wrote:Moody is reading the thread, still has no opinion on jimbob.
Why isn't this bothering anyone?


I don't see him in thread and haven't for awhile.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby plytho » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:39 pm UTC

He was last online minutes ago and I saw him a couple of times before I went out.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:41 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
plytho wrote:Moody is reading the thread, still has no opinion on jimbob.
Why isn't this bothering anyone?
It bothers me slightly. I'd still prefer to lynch him over you. Him reading the thread isn't necessarily a big deal though. I regularly check the thread when at work at random moments, but rarely have the time to post anything.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby plytho » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:49 pm UTC

I guess that's it?

Enjoy lylo.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby plytho » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:51 pm UTC

Also, I have no doubts about LaserGuy. He's town.

So you just have to figure out Madge v jimbob (it's totally jimbob)
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:53 pm UTC

Don't hammer.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:54 pm UTC

moody post something. I'm thinking of switching to you.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:54 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Don't hammer.

Noted.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:55 pm UTC

moody you ahve 4 minutes.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:57 pm UTC

I'll unvote to break the tie if needed, but I think plytho is Town.

Vote: moody

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:57 pm UTC

Unvote

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:57 pm UTC

Don't want moody to hammer

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:58 pm UTC

If moody is Town lynch plytho tomorrow.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:59 pm UTC

Unofficial votals:

moody - 3 - jimbobmacdoodle, plytho, LaserGuy
plytho - 2 - moody, mpolo

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:01 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:but I think plytho is Town.
Why? Please prepare your thoughts during the night.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:02 pm UTC

@jimbob, plytho: homework for the both of you, who is scum if moody is town?

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:04 pm UTC

@Madge: homework to you as well. You'll have plenty of time to organize your thougths during the night. Who is scum and why? You can make two cases for town!moody and scum!moody separately.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby moody7277 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:21 pm UTC

So I vote D1 to break a tie and that gets me in trouble. I wait to see if mpolo or Madge show up to make their decision while having my vote where I want it, and I'm still in trouble. When mpolo does show up and any further action I might take would end up in a NL...well you get the picture.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - day 2

Postby Sabrar » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:23 pm UTC

Why didn't you say something sooner? Why haven't you tried to read jimbob on D2?

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Re: Wams belated simple game

Postby wam » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:24 pm UTC



End of day 2

Votals

Plytho - 2 - moody, mpolo,
Moody - 3 - Jimbobmacdoodle, plytho, laserguy

Moody has been lynched.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - night 2

Postby wam » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:48 pm UTC

moody was lynched they were a mafia robocop.

No one was killed overnight

It is now day 3 deadline in 7 days.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby Sabrar » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:00 pm UTC

Good job guys, this should be easy now. I screwed up with the unvote because I had an incorrect mental picture of the votals in my mind and didn't check due to time pressure. Glad it turned out okay.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby Sabrar » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:01 pm UTC

Also robocop is a fantastic typo.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby Sabrar » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:08 pm UTC

I'm still interested though what you wrote during the night.

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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby plytho » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:47 pm UTC

Phew. That was a tense day end :D

My notes are on my pc so I'll share them tomorrow. (short summary was Madge-jimbob due to PoE)

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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby plytho » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:48 pm UTC

... glad moody flipped scum. I started to have tiny doubts doing my homework and I didn't feel like fighting all day.
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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby Madge » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:27 pm UTC

OK I am sorry about vanishing again. I have just created a filter in gmail to put all forum posts in my priamry inbox where my need to make "inbox close to 0" happen will make sure I actually action them.

Anyway I wrote some stuff up overnight:

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lol that was great I forgot about the game again. I'll have tosee if I can get gmail to mark the topic reply notifications as "important" so they don't hide away in my forum tab. [[they were already marked important but still hidden away so i've made a filter]]

@jimbob, RE my laserguy positioning on the TOWN-SCUM table: just because i like laserguy's logic doesn't mean he's not scum. scum tell sweet lies, which is why they're able to win from time to time. I mostly have him at the bottom because of the consensus, though, which I know makes me terrible
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@sabrar you are my budy and you convinced me because i was sheeping you oh wait i forgot we're not in the alternative universe where we both rolled scum idk because i'm not scum.

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LG goes up, moody goes down becaus of moody's scumslip - maybe a nulltell but still as concerning as anything we've seen

LOL LG said at 3am my local time with the deadline in two hours that "assuming Madge doesn't show up to vote, which is possible". Yeah, I'm not voting between 3am and 5am, like, ever. Sorry guys.

@Sabrar I don't do homework. Also making a town moody / scum moody case seems... redundant now [[especially redundant now]]

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In light of the flip moody's scumslip was obviously legit. Thank you whoever pointed that out (I feel like jimbob?).

I'm interested in the lack of NK. With mpolo as tracker (correct me if i misremember) we could still have either a doctor or RB - BUT WAIT, mafia has a rolecop, so we have a doctor.

there's a tiny chance scum is trying something and the protec wasn't legit, though. mpolo's results should be cop results though - I trust given the lack of kill last night, and mpolo's celebrated intelligence, that he knows the circumstances under which it's appropriate to divulge last night's result.

Since we do have a doctor, we can play follow the tracker and don't have to worry about waiting for mpolo's night results until the doc is NK'd (as the doc would claim if we're likely to vote them off - so as long as we make sure scum can't quickhammer)

My one fear is that mpolo's claim is false, but I trust everyone here to counterclaim. But I'll explore that possibility anyway: if mpolo's claim is false, we have scum rolecop so our setup is:

rolecop/jailkeeper (IF YOU ARE A JAILKEEPER, CLAIM NOW AND WE WILL PROBABLY VOTE YOU OFF BUT THEN WE VOTE SCUM!MPOLO OFF AND WIN)
rolecop/cop/roleblocker (IF YOU ARE A COP OR ROLEBLOCKER, CLAIM NOW AND WE WILL PROBABLY VOTE YOU OFF BUT THEN WE VOTE SCUM!MPOLO OFF AND WIN)
rolecop/(real)tracker/doctor (IF YOU ARE A TRACKER AND ARE NOT MPOLO, CLAIM NOW AND WE WILL PROBABLY VOTE YOU OFF BUT THEN WE VOTE SCUM!MPOLO OFF AND WIN)

seriously i can't emphasise how much one of those three is a NIGHTMARE scenario as mpolo is conftown. so much so that i've gone back to me PMs and double checked my role PM to make absolutely sure I am not jailkeeper, cop, roleblocker, or tracker.

@sabrar: you reading me as cop yesterday was intentional, was softclaiming to try to get NK, given it's clear i'm not cop i will officially disavow my softclaim. softclaiming is pretty standard with me so i'm guessing when i'm a PR I will continue to do it so not to suspicious :lol:
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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby Madge » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:28 pm UTC

(oh shit did madge just make a 100% real post and not even talk about IRL a bit SHE MUST BE SCUM GET 'ER)
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Re: Wams belated simple game - Day 3

Postby Madge » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:34 pm UTC

I was a bit stream of consciousness so one of the things I said above might be misinterpreted later so I'll clarify:

there's a tiny chance scum is trying something and the protec wasn't legit, though.


I think this chance is truly tiny and that the doctor's protection target is 95% conftown. I will risk being obvious and state that standard procedure for this is for doc to keep it to themselves unless a wagon starts to form on their target. the risk of doctor being killed in the night, though, and taking that info with them is of course concerning. Note that if scum tried something tricky last night mpolo's result would be similarly tainted as everyone would "track" town. But I think it is so hideously far out of scum's best interest to do this gambit that it's not really worth considering. But maybe if we end up in 3v1 or 2v1 we should question our assumptions. (I think there's probably no point in being vague about town strategy here as I consider all this obvious to the rest of you?)
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