1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

This forum is for the individual discussion thread that goes with each new comic.

Moderators: Moderators General, Prelates, Magistrates

Mambrino
Posts: 388
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:45 pm UTC
Location: No we don't have polar bears. Except in zoos.

1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Mambrino » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:54 am UTC

Image

title: '... hosts were unexpectedly fired from ABC's 'The View' today. ABC will likely announce new ...'

To continue with the theme, with the help of BBC:

"Suarez handed four-month ban for bite"
"World Cup 2014: Russia goalkeeper targeted by laser"

User avatar
rhomboidal
Posts: 797
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:25 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:14 am UTC

I'd be both thrilled and terrified to hear the headline: "Shark populations testing nuclear explosions off East coast."

User avatar
Eternal Density
Posts: 5579
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:37 am UTC
Contact:

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Eternal Density » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:18 am UTC

This is the opening to Sharknado 2: The Second One, right?
Play the game of Time! castle.chirpingmustard.com Hotdog Vending Supplier But what is this?
In the Marvel vs. DC film-making war, we're all winners.

User avatar
Red Hal
Magically Delicious
Posts: 1445
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:42 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Red Hal » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:29 am UTC

"... scientists say that the solar flare is unusual because of its intensity at an otherwise quiet period in the sun's cycle, but stress that it's unlikely to reach the earth ..."
Lost Greatest Silent Baby X Y Z. "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."

User avatar
Djehutynakht
Posts: 1546
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:37 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Djehutynakht » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:30 am UTC

I like to think that when the time comes the East Coast will use the mastery of our shark population to take on North Korea... using SpaceX's rocketry, of course.

KeithM
Posts: 10
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:41 am UTC
Location: 1098XG

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby KeithM » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:38 am UTC

Djehutynakht wrote:I like to think that when the time comes the East Coast will use the mastery of our shark population to take on North Korea... using SpaceX's rocketry, of course.


Why use rockets when you can use helium balloons?
"It is nothing short of a miracle that modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." - A.E.

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:14 am UTC

KeithM wrote:
Djehutynakht wrote:I like to think that when the time comes the East Coast will use the mastery of our shark population to take on North Korea... using SpaceX's rocketry, of course.


Why use rockets when you can use helium balloons?

Why use balloons when you can use trained pigeons?
....
It's "Why use... when you can use..." all the way down :twisted:

I've been paying absolutely no attention: just what is it about whatever movie that has North Korea all whiney (this time)?
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

Thorbard9
Posts: 44
Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:42 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Thorbard9 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:22 am UTC

I've been paying absolutely no attention: just what is it about whatever movie that has North Korea all whiney (this time)?

I would guess that North Korea aren't too happy about a comedy about journalists assassinating their dear leader.

On the other hand, maybe they just disagree with the casting?

Brian-M
Posts: 85
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:31 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Brian-M » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:27 am UTC

Back To The Future takes this one step further. Not only is there a TV in Doc's house with a news report talking about stolen uranium (or was it plutonium?), but you also get to see a metal box with a radiation symbol on it that Marty doesn't notice.

AverageWriter
Posts: 14
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:17 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby AverageWriter » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:11 pm UTC

"Why use rockets when you can use helium balloons?"


Why did you think a big balloon would stop people?

User avatar
orthogon
Posts: 3078
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 7:52 am UTC
Location: The Airy 1830 ellipsoid

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:17 pm UTC

The top story on the radio news this morning was about the near-certain appointment of Juncker as President of the European Commission. Unlike the sharks, North Korea etc., this story is almost certain to affect my life significantly, and yet I have no idea how.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

User avatar
Whizbang
The Best Reporter
Posts: 2238
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:50 pm UTC
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Whizbang » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:23 pm UTC

"... A little boy rescued a litter of kittens from a drain pipe in the capital building..."

DUN, DUN, DUUUUNNNN!

"... Are you getting enough Vitamin D? More at eleven."

DUN, DUN, DUUUUNNNN!

"... Local man finds treasure in his attic! See how much this painting is worth, next.'"

DUN, DUN, DUUUUNNNN!

User avatar
mathmannix
Posts: 1445
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:12 pm UTC
Location: Washington, DC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby mathmannix » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:28 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
KeithM wrote:
Djehutynakht wrote:I like to think that when the time comes the East Coast will use the mastery of our shark population to take on North Korea... using SpaceX's rocketry, of course.


Why use rockets when you can use helium balloons?

Why use balloons when you can use trained pigeons?
....
It's "Why use... when you can use..." all the way down


Why use balloons when you can use trained turtles?
Why use turtles when you can use trained turtles?
Why use turtles when turtles can use trained turtles?
Turtles use turtles when turtles can turtle turtled turtles?
...
Turtle turtle turtle turtle turtle?
...
I am a turtle.
I hear velociraptor tastes like chicken.

User avatar
orthogon
Posts: 3078
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 7:52 am UTC
Location: The Airy 1830 ellipsoid

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:46 pm UTC

This is [DANGER! TVTROPES LINK AHEAD] Chekhov's News, is it not? And yet, we are told that [ANOTHER ONE!] Chekhov's Gun is not the same as foreshadowing, though it doesn't quite explain to my satisfaction what the difference is.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

JustDoug
Posts: 90
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:35 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby JustDoug » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:20 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:This is [DANGER! TVTROPES LINK AHEAD] Chekhov's News, is it not? And yet, we are told that [ANOTHER ONE!] Chekhov's Gun is not the same as foreshadowing, though it doesn't quite explain to my satisfaction what the difference is.


Checkov's Gun differs from outright foreshadowing in that you're simply "shown" the gun as part of the background along with all the rest. The narrative gives it no more import than the fireplace- or whatever - it's carefully hung above along with all the rest of the furninshings and accessories describing the room. All it tells you is that there's a gun in the room so later on there's no cry of deux ex machina when it is used. Foreshadowing would mention it more explicitly, verbally nudging you and pointing it out, albeit subtly if the writing is good, with Alfred Hitchcock exempted. He'd show you the gun, feature it in closeup, show that it was loaded and working, tell you it's going to be used in a while and then still surprise the hell out of you when it was.

Brian-M
Posts: 85
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:31 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Brian-M » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:23 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:This is [DANGER! TVTROPES LINK AHEAD] Chekhov's News, is it not? And yet, we are told that [ANOTHER ONE!] Chekhov's Gun is not the same as foreshadowing, though it doesn't quite explain to my satisfaction what the difference is.

Here's a quote from the Chekov's News link...
This does not include news items that are purely Foreshadowing; to be Chekhov's News, the news must appear early on without obvious significance, and the payoff has to appear later in the work.

So if you can tell it's going to be significant to the story straight away, its foreshadowing. If it doesn't appear to have any significance until later in the story, its a Chekhov.

User avatar
dzamie
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:12 pm UTC
Location: The land of crab cakes and Old Bay.

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby dzamie » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:25 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:"... A little boy rescued a litter of baby velociraptors from a drain pipe in the capital building..."

DUN, DUN, DUUUUNNNN!

I assume you wrote "kittens," but it's nice to know my userscript is still making things better.

Code: Select all

:Clrhome
:while 1
:Output(randInt(1,8),randInt(1,16),randInt(0,9))
:Output(randInt(1,8),randInt(1,16)," ")
:Output(randInt(1,8),randInt(1,16)," ")
:End

User avatar
Whizbang
The Best Reporter
Posts: 2238
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:50 pm UTC
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Whizbang » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:30 pm UTC

dzamie wrote:
Whizbang wrote:"... A little boy rescued a litter of baby velociraptors from a drain pipe in the capital building..."

DUN, DUN, DUUUUNNNN!

I assume you wrote "kittens," but it's nice to know my userscript is still making things better.



Brilliant.

speising
Posts: 2353
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm UTC
Location: wien

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby speising » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:31 pm UTC

Brian-M wrote:
orthogon wrote:This is [DANGER! TVTROPES LINK AHEAD] Chekhov's News, is it not? And yet, we are told that [ANOTHER ONE!] Chekhov's Gun is not the same as foreshadowing, though it doesn't quite explain to my satisfaction what the difference is.

Here's a quote from the Chekov's News link...
This does not include news items that are purely Foreshadowing; to be Chekhov's News, the news must appear early on without obvious significance, and the payoff has to appear later in the work.

So if you can tell it's going to be significant to the story straight away, its foreshadowing. If it doesn't appear to have any significance until later in the story, its a Chekhov.

the problem with that is that Chekhov's original quote explicitly says that everything has to be significant. if it isn't, it shouldn't be there in the first place.
which is quite restricting, in my opinion. it shouldn't be immediately clear to the reader/viewer that any weapon mentioned will in fact be used later. where's the suspense in that? (except in the mentioned Hitchcock example, where a clever twist manages to still surprise us.)

User avatar
Coyoty
Posts: 195
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:56 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Coyoty » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:51 pm UTC

When the gun is emphasized and implied sinister right away, that's "lampshading".

User avatar
SlyReaper
inflatable
Posts: 8015
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:09 pm UTC
Location: Bristol, Old Blighty

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby SlyReaper » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:00 pm UTC

Can I just say how awesome a rocket-propelled battleshark sounds?
Image
What would Baron Harkonnen do?

User avatar
Steve the Pocket
Posts: 705
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:02 am UTC
Location: Going downtuuu in a Luleelurah!

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:22 pm UTC

mathmannix wrote:Why use balloons when you can use trained turtles?
Why use turtles when you can use trained turtles?
Why use turtles when turtles can use trained turtles?
Turtles use turtles when turtles can turtle turtled turtles?
...
Turtle turtle turtle turtle turtle?
...
I am a turtle.

Go home, Dana Carvey. Nobody liked that movie.
cephalopod9 wrote:Only on Xkcd can you start a topic involving Hitler and people spend the better part of half a dozen pages arguing about the quality of Operating Systems.

Baige.

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:48 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:
dzamie wrote:
Whizbang wrote:"... A little boy rescued a litter of baby velociraptors from a drain pipe in the capital building..."
!

I assume you wrote "kittens," but it's nice to know my userscript is still making things better.


Brilliant.


Shouldn't that be "Brillant," Ms. Bean?


JustDoug wrote:Checkov's Gun differs from outright foreshadowing in that you're simply "shown" the gun as part of the background along with all the rest.


Not to dredge more horrors from the OTT, but you gotta include taking out Occam with his own razor.
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

User avatar
SecondTalon
SexyTalon
Posts: 26518
Joined: Sat May 05, 2007 2:10 pm UTC
Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA, Mars. HA!
Contact:

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby SecondTalon » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:52 pm UTC

speising wrote:the problem with that is that Chekhov's original quote explicitly says that everything has to be significant. if it isn't, it shouldn't be there in the first place.

Hm. I need to re-read the quote then, as I always took it to be that anything that was particularly noteworthy or that stuck out needs to be significant. Introducing a character in his home as being a bit of a gun enthusiast and then showing a wall safe full of rifles and handguns is not remarkable - you'd expect the guns.

The Chekhov's Gun in that situation might be simply that the character is a gun enthusiast and is later able to identify the caliber of weapon being fired at the group based on the sound.

Whereas showing a business mogul's home with a single rifle over the fireplace is not unexpected, but it's an extraneous detail that doesn't need to exist... unless someone's shooting the gun later.

You wouldn't expect a stock ticker in the gun enthusiast 's pre-1960 place, though, so having one there means you later reveal the enthusiast's vast fortune through stock trades, or that the enthusiast is a majority shareholder in the company in question or some other fact that makes the stock ticker make sense. Enthusiasm for outdated technology, maybe.

That's what I always thought, at least - not deliberate foreshadowing, but something that makes more sense upon reflection.
heuristically_alone wrote:I want to write a DnD campaign and play it by myself and DM it myself.
heuristically_alone wrote:I have been informed that this is called writing a book.

User avatar
Coyoty
Posts: 195
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:56 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Coyoty » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:28 pm UTC

Kittens and velociraptors are often indistinguishable.

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 2054
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:44 pm UTC

Coyoty wrote:Kittens and velociraptors are often indistinguishable.


If that's true, they're the largest bosons in existence!
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

User avatar
Klear
Posts: 1965
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:43 am UTC
Location: Prague

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Klear » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:20 pm UTC

Re: Chekhov's Whatever - you do realize those things are a kind of foreshadowing, right?

User avatar
orthogon
Posts: 3078
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 7:52 am UTC
Location: The Airy 1830 ellipsoid

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:45 pm UTC

Klear wrote:Re: Chekhov's Whatever - you do realize those things are a kind of foreshadowing, right?

It seems that way to me, but tvtropes insists there's a difference and one isn't a subtrope of the other. My problem is: if it happens near the start, then it can only be a Chekhov, since the audience doesn't yet have any context in which to identify a foreshadowing. But if it happens far enough in for the audience to have a chance of identifying it, then it's surely just a normal plot development. And if they can't identify it, it's back to being a late Chekhov. I'm confused.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

speising
Posts: 2353
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm UTC
Location: wien

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby speising » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:40 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Klear wrote:Re: Chekhov's Whatever - you do realize those things are a kind of foreshadowing, right?

It seems that way to me, but tvtropes insists there's a difference and one isn't a subtrope of the other. My problem is: if it happens near the start, then it can only be a Chekhov, since the audience doesn't yet have any context in which to identify a foreshadowing. But if it happens far enough in for the audience to have a chance of identifying it, then it's surely just a normal plot development. And if they can't identify it, it's back to being a late Chekhov. I'm confused.

it's chekhovs gun if it hangs on the wall and the camera pans across.
it's foreshadowing if the soundtrack goes "dum dum dummm"

User avatar
Klear
Posts: 1965
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:43 am UTC
Location: Prague

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Klear » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:06 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Klear wrote:Re: Chekhov's Whatever - you do realize those things are a kind of foreshadowing, right?

It seems that way to me, but tvtropes insists there's a difference and one isn't a subtrope of the other. My problem is: if it happens near the start, then it can only be a Chekhov, since the audience doesn't yet have any context in which to identify a foreshadowing. But if it happens far enough in for the audience to have a chance of identifying it, then it's surely just a normal plot development. And if they can't identify it, it's back to being a late Chekhov. I'm confused.


The "Chekhov's Gun" article says only that they are not synonymous, "Foreshadowing" article says "Chekhov's Gun is often used as a foreshadowing tool." There might be some inconsistencies elsewhere though.

BTW, this TVTropes page is hilarious:
Chekov's Gun

User avatar
da Doctah
Posts: 983
Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:27 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:47 pm UTC

Brian-M wrote:Back To The Future takes this one step further. Not only is there a TV in Doc's house with a news report talking about stolen uranium (or was it plutonium?), but you also get to see a metal box with a radiation symbol on it that Marty doesn't notice.


And that TV reporter, the first person seen or heard in the entire BTTF trilogy, reappears thirty years later to sell Marty the Sports Almanac!

User avatar
StClair
Posts: 408
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:07 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby StClair » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:01 pm UTC

Klear wrote:
orthogon wrote:
Klear wrote:Re: Chekhov's Whatever - you do realize those things are a kind of foreshadowing, right?

It seems that way to me, but tvtropes insists there's a difference and one isn't a subtrope of the other. My problem is: if it happens near the start, then it can only be a Chekhov, since the audience doesn't yet have any context in which to identify a foreshadowing. But if it happens far enough in for the audience to have a chance of identifying it, then it's surely just a normal plot development. And if they can't identify it, it's back to being a late Chekhov. I'm confused.


The "Chekhov's Gun" article says only that they are not synonymous, "Foreshadowing" article says "Chekhov's Gun is often used as a foreshadowing tool." There might be some inconsistencies elsewhere though.


TV Tropes is, first and foremost, a wiki. That means that it was crafted by many hands, some of whom may (nay, will) disagree. Especially considering how much of the content, and how it is labeled and sub-divided, is ultimately subjective and/or arbitrary.
As with any wiki, it should be considered a guide, not an authority.

BTW, this TVTropes page is hilarious:
Chekov's Gun


This is true.

User avatar
Klear
Posts: 1965
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:43 am UTC
Location: Prague

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Klear » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:14 pm UTC

StClair wrote:TV Tropes is, first and foremost, a wiki. That means that it was crafted by many hands, some of whom may (nay, will) disagree. Especially considering how much of the content, and how it is labeled and sub-divided, is ultimately subjective and/or arbitrary.
As with any wiki, it should be considered a guide, not an authority.


Agreed. When I first mentioned that Chekhov's Gun is a kind of foreshadowing, I was speaking for myself, not TVTropes (though I'm definitely very much influenced by the website). I haven't seen anything on the site that would disagree with me on that one though, so that's a plus.

User avatar
rhhardin
Posts: 80
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:11 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby rhhardin » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:45 pm UTC

"A rifle over the mantel in act I goes off in act III."

rmsgrey
Posts: 3631
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:35 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby rmsgrey » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:32 am UTC

Chekhov's gun could be rephrased as "anything that looks like it's going to be significant should be" which is kinda the reverse of foreshadowing, where something that is going to be significant is shown to be in advance (even if the way it's significant isn't made clear).

User avatar
Pfhorrest
Posts: 5447
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:11 am UTC
Contact:

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Pfhorrest » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:46 am UTC

I wouldn't say the reverse, but more a corollary.

Foreshadowing is the technique of showing in advance some detail that's going to be significant.

Chekhov's adage about guns says essentially not to falsely foreshadow; don't show some detail early on that turns out not to be significant. Rather, it tells us that any detail shown in advance is going to turn out to be significant, with the implication that that's pattern of normal or good writing, and that doing otherwise would be bad writing or at least abnormal.

A Chekhov's Gun is the detail which is shown in advance, to become significant later.
Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of All Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
The Codex Quaerendae (my philosophy) - The Chronicles of Quelouva (my fiction)

User avatar
Biliboy
Posts: 284
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:43 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Biliboy » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:05 am UTC

Every time... every time I see the tvtropes warning and click anyway...

Two hours later...

User avatar
StClair
Posts: 408
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:07 am UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby StClair » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:27 am UTC

also, on the strip itself:

Yes. That's just what I need. Something to make reading/watching the news an even more anxiety-inducing experience.
Fantastic.

User avatar
Various Varieties
Posts: 505
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:24 pm UTC

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Various Varieties » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:20 pm UTC

You can also pretend that you're flicking through the news channels Shaun of the Dead style, only seeing a bit of each headline, so that you get:

"North Korea threatens... East Coast... [with] new rocket launch today..."

"Movie shark populations attempt new rocket launch today"

"Upcoming movie shark launch today..."

User avatar
Neil_Boekend
Posts: 3220
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:35 am UTC
Location: Yes.

Re: 1387: "Clumsy Foreshadowing"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:50 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:I wouldn't say the reverse, but more a corollary.

Foreshadowing is the technique of showing in advance some detail that's going to be significant.

Chekhov's adage about guns says essentially not to falsely foreshadow; don't show some detail early on that turns out not to be significant. Rather, it tells us that any detail shown in advance is going to turn out to be significant, with the implication that that's pattern of normal or good writing, and that doing otherwise would be bad writing or at least abnormal.

A Chekhov's Gun is the detail which is shown in advance, to become significant later.


Chekhov's guns are not as clear in movies as they are in books. If the writer takes time to describe a paperweight on the desk then it is probably a checkhov's gun. If paperweight stands on a desk in a movie then it can either be just to fill in the blank spot OR it can be a Chekhov's gun.
Mikeski wrote:A "What If" update is never late. Nor is it early. It is posted precisely when it should be.

patzer's signature wrote:
flicky1991 wrote:I'm being quoted too much!

he/him/his


Return to “Individual XKCD Comic Threads”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 50 guests