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Postby skellious » Fri May 28, 2010 1:26 am UTC

Hello all, I am currently trying to find a form of artistic expression I can do well and have the ability to take on to advanced levels. I am looking for suggestions of arts I might not know about or have thought about. I currently play the guitar and piano a little but I am not good enoguth to perform infront of anyone, mainly becuase I lack coordination skills. So whatever artform I find would need to not rely on coordination. I also have a problem with short term memory (so cant read and then translate to the piano or guitar sheet music at any relable rate. so the artform would also have to not require short term memory) for the same reason my drawing skills, hardwriting skills, painting skills, sculpture, and so on are all non-existant. I can do photography to an extent but then it gets too technical and I lose interest. I would like something that can get me off the computer for a length of time, because I spend far too much time on here. I would like to be able to produce things to give to or show people, like some peopel write songs for people, others make things for them. I would write poetry but I cant do that except on a computer because my handwriting is too slow and untidy and frustraites me (its not going to ever get any better either, so please dont suggest practicing it, i had done little else for years, i even went to a specialist)

So, suggestions would be most welcome :)

Remember I can't do well with things envolveing a lot of manual dexterity, for instance I do go clay pigeon shooting sometimes, but will never get really good at that becuase I am not coordinated enougth. And I really am looking for something i dont have to use a ocmputer for, ruling out any amount of writing.
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Postby tastelikecoke » Fri May 28, 2010 1:39 am UTC

I thought, a saxophone might be cool I want to play saxophone too. but yeah...
Other than that, you can write, draw, read, talk, sing,sculpt, wire, fix, cook, garden, engineer, research andpaint.
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Postby skellious » Fri May 28, 2010 1:54 am UTC

tastelikecoke wrote:I thought, a saxophone might be cool I want to play saxophone too. but yeah...
Other than that, you can write, draw, read, talk, sing,sculpt, wire, fix, cook, garden, engineer, research andpaint.
well I guess I should never skim passages.


Thanks for your ideas. I've tried all of those but they all fall under the problems previously listed, with the exceptions of singing (would need many many lessons to be able to do this), gardening (would need a garden to do this) and cooking. cooking is about the only one of those ive had success with to date. But on the downside it is expensive to do the really cool stuff (like extravigant cakes) and as a student I cannot afford an expensive hobby. I am thinking of taking up cross-stitch again, I remember as a child I used to enjoy that, and I actually made some things for my family. But I dont know if I would have the patience to do it anymore.

any other ideas people? :)

also, how do you research as a hobby? I either research for a project or read random stuff for fun. I dont think I research for fun ever. And most of my research involves computers, at least for taking notes...
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Postby Fat Zombie » Fri May 28, 2010 1:58 am UTC

Dance!
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Postby skellious » Fri May 28, 2010 1:59 am UTC

Fat Zombie wrote:Dance!


people laugh when I do that.... also, coordination is a required skill for dancing.... and balance, did i mention I can't balance? - god, for a human im pretty badly put together...
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Postby H.E.L.e.N. » Fri May 28, 2010 2:12 am UTC

skellious wrote:I am thinking of taking up cross-stitch again, I remember as a child I used to enjoy that, and I actually made some things for my family. But I dont know if I would have the patience to do it anymore.


It's worth a try! A good friend of mine can't really draw or anything, but took up cross-stitch and got really good with practice, and uses it to make handcrafted/nerdy gifts all the time. (Note: 8-bit characters translate really well into cross stitch.) And there are bajillions of designs out there that you can take and twerk and customize and make your own. (Also, subversive cross-stitch.) And embroidery stuff isn't as expensive as some hobbies, I'd imagine. And is something you can have in your hands while studying or listening to music.

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Postby skellious » Fri May 28, 2010 2:24 am UTC

H.E.L.e.N. wrote:It's worth a try! A good friend of mine can't really draw or anything, but took up cross-stitch and got really good with practice, and uses it to make handcrafted/nerdy gifts all the time. (Note: 8-bit characters translate really well into cross stitch.) And there are bajillions of designs out there that you can take and twerk and customize and make your own. (Also, subversive cross-stitch.) And embroidery stuff isn't as expensive as some hobbies, I'd imagine. And is something you can have in your hands while studying or listening to music.


Hah! Thanks, I actually really like those designs! I am a bit OCD when it comes to liking straight lines and nice regular patterns and angles, so cross-stitch is also attractive to me in that way. I think I might get back into it. It could be useful for making inexpensive but personal presents for people at uni.

Thanks a lot for that link in paticular :)
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Postby PAstrychef » Fri May 28, 2010 3:35 am UTC

First off, you should dance because it's fun, even if you mostly do it alone in the kitchen.
There are lots and lots of crafty type things to do out there. I like papermaking, which can be done with a blender and old newspapers and so on. As for fabric related crafts,bargello embroidery is a kind of counted stitch patterned needlework which is very cool. You could also try off loom weaving, which uses almost anything for a frame and doesn't require much coordination.Here is a good book about it.
Then there's quilling, where you roll up strips of paper and glue them together to make pretty patterns.
Making beads from sculpy and using them in jewelery, making mosaics, making candles-try visiting your library and checking out a few books on craft projects.
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Postby Cloud Walker » Fri May 28, 2010 6:01 am UTC

skellious wrote:Hello all, I am currently trying to find a form of artistic expression I can do well and have the ability to take on to advanced levels. I am looking for suggestions of arts I might not know about or have thought about. I currently play the guitar and piano a little but I am not good enoguth to perform infront of anyone, mainly becuase I lack coordination skills. So whatever artform I find would need to not rely on coordination. I also have a problem with short term memory (so cant read and then translate to the piano or guitar sheet music at any relable rate. so the artform would also have to not require short term memory) for the same reason my drawing skills, hardwriting skills, painting skills, sculpture, and so on are all non-existant. I can do photography to an extent but then it gets too technical and I lose interest. I would like something that can get me off the computer for a length of time, because I spend far too much time on here. I would like to be able to produce things to give to or show people, like some peopel write songs for people, others make things for them. I would write poetry but I cant do that except on a computer because my handwriting is too slow and untidy and frustraites me (its not going to ever get any better either, so please dont suggest practicing it, i had done little else for years, i even went to a specialist)

So, suggestions would be most welcome :)

Remember I can't do well with things envolveing a lot of manual dexterity, for instance I do go clay pigeon shooting sometimes, but will never get really good at that becuase I am not coordinated enougth. And I really am looking for something i dont have to use a ocmputer for, ruling out any amount of writing.


Oddly enough, I'm simultaneously working on three artistic endeavors: music, painting, and photography.

I have the same problems you do with regards to playing the piano. However, I am doing my absolute best to overcome them.

With photography, I'm learning a lot about the technical aspects of it and about tuning my pictures just so. I find it pretty interesting.

But, of all of these, painting is by far the easiest. It's more muscle memory than anything. Getting into a groove. It doesn't matter your style, or lack thereof. Google Image Picasso, then Google Image Jackson Pollock, then Google Image Albert Bierstadt, and then, finally, Google Image Elsworth Kelly. In case it's not clear after that, there's an extreme range of acceptable styles when it comes to painting. I, personally, just find myself getting lost in the work while painting and listening to music. So give it another shot or two!

EDIT: I actually mean to type this in the first place, before I even read your post: just about anything can be considered artistic expression. You'll find it all around you, if you pay attention. It's usually incorporated with practical concerns, but it's definitely there.
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Postby TheKrikkitWars » Fri May 28, 2010 7:37 am UTC

As for the co-ordination, you can improve it.

I'm dyspraxic, and I have moderate to mild gross motor co-ordination difficulties and severe fine motor difficulties. Through being extremely determined I've managed to significantly improve my co-ordination pretty much entirely by dogged persistance, (it's taken about 10 years to have gross motor skills similar to a normal person, I still can't swim front crawl efficiently, and my handwriting skills are still approximately equivalent to those of a nine year old).
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Postby tastelikecoke » Fri May 28, 2010 7:44 am UTC

I got here a spoilerific list of hobbies. You might be interested. (got a table of contents of Craft and Hobbies :D )
Spoiler:
leatherworking
macrame
decoupage
candlemaking
papier-mache
basketry
spping and dyeing
weaving
batik and tie-dyeing
stained glass
origami
pottery
quiltmaking
modeling , moldmaking, sculptures
drawing
color and design
painting
printmaking
printing on fabris
stencilling
collage
wood sculpture
metalworking
indoor gradening
drying and preserveing flowers
mosaics
lapidary
jewelry
enameling
woodworking
picture framing
preserving fruit
breads
winemaking
restoring furniture
bookbinding

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Postby skellious » Fri May 28, 2010 1:07 pm UTC

Thanks everyone :) this has all been great and really helpful. :) quilling looks interesting for decorating cards (I do make cards despite them turning out like they were made by a 4 year old, people still seem to like them)

I know people say it takes a long time and ok I can now catch things which I couldnt before, becuase I spent 10 years doing throwing and catching practice with my mum, but i did the same with handwriting and it hasnt improved. I am suspicious of the possibility I have disgraphia undiagnosed becuase I dont fit some of the dyslexia symptoms (which is what ive been diagnosed with in the past) but I think I fit all of the ones for disgraphia. One of those is when I write for any amount of time more than a couple of sentances, I get severe pain in my writing arm. this is not cramp, before anyone suggests that, it is specifically related to writing and drawing and goes away when i stop doing the activity. That is why I am, understandibly perhaps, discouraged from writing. Maybe one day when I have the money to pay a private tutor I can learn to at least write more legibally for forms and things like that. Same with music when I can afford a tutor, same with languages (hopefully doing a french course at uni though, so that shoud be good). I think I need a tutor in these areas becuase I cannot teach myself without knowing alternative techniques becuase it is obvious that for me the mainstream ones do not work. Above all else I would dearly love to learn to juggle, ivee been reying for several years but I just cant do it. my motor skills are just not there. I really hope if I can find a good instructor one day they can help me finally learn how to do this.
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Postby Dream » Fri May 28, 2010 3:42 pm UTC

If you want to get away from the computer, and are physically incapable of handwriting for any length of time, get yourself a second hand typewriter. You don't have to be able to touch type, just be able to type as fast as you're thinking. Then try writing of various kinds to see if it sticks without the distracting pain. Many people find the creation of a finely crafted page of type to be a rewarding experience of itself. If prose or poetry don't float your boat, try a diary, a visual diary or even word art.

Similarly, you could also try doing some traditional art form via non-computer machine. Check out Dave McKean's covers for the Sandman comics to see what you can do with a pair of scissors and a photocopier. Try making music with hardware like a mixer and old broken synths and effects. (eBay them.) I'm writing this post in a break from a rehearsal for a gig I'm playing with just a tiny synthesizer, mixer and a very basic effects box. Though I say so myself, it sounds really good. The performance comes of my knowledge and understanding of the system, not my virtuosity on a traditional instrument.

The thing about using machines as an artistic tool is that you learn and master the interface, not the final product. The machine is an intermediary that converts your movements into the art, which in essence is just your thoughts rendered in some way into a concrete, transferable form. Here's Jamie Liddel with one hand, a mixer and a looper. And before you get discouraged by that, remember you don't have to be Rachmninoff to play the piano. He's just singing away, turning knobs one at a time and making awesome music. The awesome is pure Jamie Liddel, but the knob turning anyone can learn.
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Postby skellious » Sat May 29, 2010 1:05 pm UTC

thanks for the ideas. The sandman style looks interesting. As far as typwriters, they are ok but i get extremely frustraited when i make a mistake typing on one. and as for that style of music, I am a traditionalist who likes to see people performing traditional intruments live. using a mixer and creating things live is ok, i guess, but it's one step away from some "bands" I know who basically play a loads of loops off a computer (which sound like random noise) and then try and sing to it... Computers have no place on stage. I do sound and lighting on an amatuer basis and just about tollerate using a computerised lighting desk, because it allows us to do much more complicated things. We still use a basically manual mixing desk though. (I say basically becuase it obviosuly has a microprocessor becuase you can route any channel to any other, mix into groups on the fly, EQ etc, which would have required rewiring the desk otherwise.
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Postby Dasboard » Sat May 29, 2010 1:20 pm UTC

Really, wether you're good in drawing, dancing, etc... is also a lot of practice. If you start, and quit after two tries because you sucked, you'll never get anywhere. Of course, on proffesional levels, you need a certain amount of talent, but you'll get very far with just dedication and passion. Art doesn't have to be complex, really. It just needs a creative mind. Just look at something like Mondriaan ( http://www.devalk.com/kunstenaars/mondriaan/mondriaan3.jpg ). Pretty simple, really but it's genius anyway.

Okay, after that maybe this is something for you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yYcEX5O5a4
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Postby Dream » Sat May 29, 2010 1:38 pm UTC

Hmmmn. I'm treading carefully here, so please don't feel attacked by this.

You seem to be negative, bordering on hostile about things you don't already have experience of. Every time somebody suggests something here, you shoot it down instantly (barring the cross stitching thing). I thought that maybe people had just by chance all suggested obvious things that you had obviously tried and disliked, but your reply to my post makes me think you might be finding excuses to not like things and therefore not try them. For instance, I specifically mentioned that I wasn't talking about computer music, using the word "non-computer" and remembering you'd said in the OP that you wanted to get away from computer things. Yet, you've objected based on artists you don't like (as in "try to sing" and "random noise") using computers, and displayed quite an ignorance and prejudice in saying "computers have no place on stage". It seems that you're overreacting in finding reasons to not try things.

And yet, at the same time, you're being polite and forthcoming, which makes me think you do genuinely appreciate the advice you're being given. Perhaps you should look at your attitudes to putting large amounts of effort into learning a new skill, and assess whether the attitudes themselves might be to blame for not being comfortable with the idea. You have to really want to do something before you'll do it hours a day in order to learn it. It seems to me that this wanting is what is lacking, and that if you could be more open to the idea that you might like something if you try it long enough to really get to know it, you might make more headway. So:
skellious wrote:I currently play the guitar and piano a little but I am not good enoguth to perform infront of anyone, mainly becuase I lack coordination skills.

That's two instruments you're keeping up without necessarily being skilled and without the usual motivation of musicians, to be able to play with others, for others. Why do you still play them? What changes could you make to become more performance oriented? What are the specific areas in which your coordination issues cause you problems? What would you like to be doing with these instruments that you aren't at the moment? If you could tell us more about your current artistic endeavours, maybe we'd understand enough to make recommendations you won't be so ready to dismiss.
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Postby skellious » Sat May 29, 2010 1:50 pm UTC

woo, that video was really cool. I am seriosuly inspired. performance art to music could be something to look in to for me. I do like sand sculpture as well, if i lived nearer the beach i would do it more often. we have made cars you can sit in, an octopus, dogs and other things before. my mum is quite a good artist (my handwriting and coordination issues come from my father's side) and together we have made some pretty cool things on the beach.

Im also thinking now i might be able to make sculptures out of sticks and other natural materials. I could build them in the woods, photograph them then leave them there. When I go to uni I am thinking about a similar thing, but since it will be much more urban, making cardboard constructions then deploying them in the middle of the night for people to discover in the morning. I also enjoy modifying existing sculptures temporarily, like one time I made little signs for some penguin sculptures so they were on a marxist protest march. "what's black and white and red all over? - Lenin's penguin army!" and "Et Tu, Pingu? - TV penguin, class traitor" and so on.

Thanks guys, im feeling a lot more positivve and inspired now.

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Dream, you replied after i wrote this but before I submitted it, so to answer in brief:

I was greatful for your ideas but I just happen to have specific reasons for not liking those paticular things. it doesnt mean i dont think others should not enjoy them, just that I dont myself. When I say computers have no place on stage, that is only my opinion, it doesnt make me any more or less correct than anyone else. I really appreciate your suggestions though.

When I am feeling negative, like many other people I find exuses to dismiss things, then when i feel positive i suddenly dont have those problems anymore. I expect a lot of people do this.

and to answer your quesiton about why do i keep them up? becuase I play them for my own entertainment. As you said, just becuase you cant do something well doesnt mean you should give up.
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sun May 30, 2010 1:41 am UTC

Sculpture might be a good idea for you- it's not neccessarily about manual dexterity, and some processes require quite a robust approach. Parts of my degree show, for example, were beaten into shape with large lumps of wood, repeatedly kicked and punched, etc. Also, don't dismiss drawing and painting as something you could never do- it doesn't have to be pretty, detailed, representative pictures. To see what I mean, have a look at Cy Twombly or somebody of that nature. When you start off with any form of art, what you really need to do is experiment as widely as possible and see what works for you. It's not necessarily a good thing to start with a preconceived idea of what you're going to do.
I also enjoy modifying existing sculptures temporarily, like one time I made little signs for some penguin sculptures so they were on a marxist protest march. "what's black and white and red all over? - Lenin's penguin army!" and "Et Tu, Pingu? - TV penguin, class traitor" and so on.

Cool :D I remember one of my mates at art college used to dig through the rubbish in the sculpture yard and modify other people's work. I'm currently planning a piece composed of hundreds of little kitschy figures of the kind charity shops are inundated with, arranged in formation like an army entitled 'The armies of kitsch marching onward, ever onward, to death, glory and the great annoyance of Clement Greenberg's ghost"
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Postby Yreval » Sun May 30, 2010 3:47 am UTC

I think you're writing hobbies off because you don't have an immediate, natural aptitude at them, and that's really not giving anything a fair chance. Hobbies and arts take a lot of practice to get good at—that coordination and dexterity you lack now is something that you can develop with time and effort, as countless other artists have. Very few artists are good in their medium when they first start, but they improve through practice and passion; I'm an extremely uncoordinated person, but I was able to build inter-limb coordination in my drumming through practice, and can do things now that would have given me an awful headache when I started. Don't give up on something just because you're not immediately successful. Perhaps, though, you could try a hobby such as model-building where the results even at a beginner's difficulty can still be aesthetically pleasing, even if you did little more than assemble some pre-made, pre-colored parts.

Likewise, most hobbies are going to take a somewhat significant financial investment over time, whether they be regular investments such as paint and canvas, or pricier one-offs like musical instruments or tools and machines. Just start small, and build up with your investments and quality of materials as you move up in skill and interest in the art. Don't let future expenses prohibit you from getting your feet wet in something you may enjoy.

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Postby skellious » Sun May 30, 2010 10:12 pm UTC

@Dave_Wise - Thanks for your encouragement, I will continue to look into other ways for me to express myself in my own way through drawing and so on. :)

@Yreval - hmm, I seriosuly doubt ill ever be able to do life drawing, something I would love to do... some people just dont have the coordination or ability.
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sun May 30, 2010 10:18 pm UTC

Hmmmmm, well I'm not going to try and talk you into doing something you don't want to, but you might be surprised. Representational drawing relies surprisingly little on dexterity. It takes no more manual skill to execute a competent drawing than it does to write by hand, and much less than it does to play a musical instrument well. The important thing about drawing is that it sharpens your powers of observation, irrespective of whether the drawing itself looks good. Try 'drawing on the right side of the brain' by Betty Edwards. I have my doubts about the rationale behind her method, but it does seem to work.
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Postby skellious » Sun May 30, 2010 10:32 pm UTC

Dave_Wise wrote: Representational drawing relies surprisingly little on dexterity. It takes no more manual skill to execute a competent drawing than it does to write by hand, and much less than it does to play a musical instrument well.


Neither of which I can do.
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sun May 30, 2010 10:54 pm UTC

oh, fair enough then. Have an internet, anyway.
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Postby skellious » Sun May 30, 2010 11:01 pm UTC

Dave_Wise wrote:oh, fair enough then. Have an internet, anyway.


Dont get me wrong though, I appreciate your suggestions and am greatful for them. Thank you for taking the time to write them for me.

Thanks for the internet, also :)
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Postby tastelikecoke » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:37 am UTC

Have you tried drawing anything? Even doodles? Even if you have a severe disability you can at least try, go go fight!

I'm interested about your handwriting too.

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Postby skellious » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:37 pm UTC

tastelikecoke wrote:Have you tried drawing anything? Even doodles? Even if you have a severe disability you can at least try, go go fight!

I'm interested about your handwriting too.


In what way? you would like a sample?
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Postby Dasboard » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:14 pm UTC

I dare you to create uglier doodles than I do :D
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Postby skellious » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:54 am UTC

Dasboard wrote:I dare you to create uglier doodles than I do :D


I accept! Just give me till the weekend to get access to my scanner!
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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby MadParrot » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:35 am UTC

Dave_Wise wrote:I'm currently planning a piece composed of hundreds of little kitschy figures of the kind charity shops are inundated with, arranged in formation like an army entitled 'The armies of kitsch marching onward, ever onward, to death, glory and the great annoyance of Clement Greenberg's ghost"

Beautiful :)

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby icanflywaitno » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:37 am UTC

Music is my unique way of expressing myself. We have the different genres that range from blues, metal, rap, alternative, hardcore, classical, progressive, etc. I play the guitar and it helps on letting some emotions out. I've been playing it for 6 years now, and I have never found any other way to feel better than to play some random classical song. It also helps to talk to people. I have never been a strong confident person when it comes to talking to someone, and believe me that I've done this, I just played a song that strikes the mood and this person somehow understood what I meant just by listening to what I played.

Music is an odd way of expression through my eyes. If you're good enough and have played long enough to understand music, it gives you a wider and broad idea of the feelings that are incorporated with music. It is astounding, and surprisingly uplifting. A simple song, composed of simple notes, can actually influence what you feel inside. All the complications are up to you my friend.

There are endless paths that you can take to expression as the above people mentioned. Unleash the renaissance man within you.

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby tastelikecoke » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:32 am UTC

skellious wrote:
Dasboard wrote:I dare you to create uglier doodles than I do :D


I accept! Just give me till the weekend to get access to my scanner!

Yep! Samples please. You might be good, just insecure.

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby skellious » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:34 pm UTC

tastelikecoke wrote:
skellious wrote:
Dasboard wrote:I dare you to create uglier doodles than I do :D


I accept! Just give me till the weekend to get access to my scanner!

Yep! Samples please. You might be good, just insecure.


ok i will try to remember :P

And icanflywaitno,

yes, I love music and i understand the way it can encompass emotion but the only emotion i get when i try and play is frustraition becuase i can't do it.

Working on stage productions doesnt help, becuase i have a concentration of people with talent infront of me all the time...
kerfuffleninja wrote: Minutes are the same length in Europe, right?

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby skellious » Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:13 pm UTC

Well, i WOULD have posted images today, but SOMEONE who had my scanner didn't return it >_< Fail...

So images in a day or two when I manage to break in and liberate my scanner...
kerfuffleninja wrote: Minutes are the same length in Europe, right?

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby rath358 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:48 am UTC

Make chainmail things! It takes a little while to pick up, but is fun and requires almost no coordination! Heres a nice tutorial thing:
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to- ... ail-shirt/
This seems to be the only place in the UK that sells rings: http://www.armchair-armoury.co.uk/
but yeah...chainmail is fun

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby skellious » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:02 am UTC

rath358 wrote:Make chainmail things! It takes a little while to pick up, but is fun and requires almost no coordination! Heres a nice tutorial thing:
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to- ... ail-shirt/
This seems to be the only place in the UK that sells rings: http://www.armchair-armoury.co.uk/
but yeah...chainmail is fun


It's like knitting with metal! hah!

You do this do you?
kerfuffleninja wrote: Minutes are the same length in Europe, right?

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Re: Forms of artistic expression

Postby rath358 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:07 am UTC

Yes, I'm making a shirt, although I haven't had much time since school let out.
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