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Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boycott

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:44 pm UTC

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So, long story short, the girl scouts only care that you think of yourself as a girl in order to be admitted. Unfortunately haters got to hate.

A reportedly 14-year-old Girl Scout has joined with parents and Scout alumni to call for a boycott of the widely popular Girl Scout cookies, claiming the organization is using cookie proceeds to push a radical homosexual agenda at the expense of the Scouts’ safety.


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A reportedly 14-year-old Girl Scout has joined with parents and Scout alumni to call for a boycott of the widely popular Girl Scout cookies, claiming the organization is using cookie proceeds to push a radical homosexual agenda at the expense of the Scouts’ safety.

The girl, identified as Taylor from Ventura County, Calif. – but whose parents have asked her last name and troop number be withheld – made a YouTube video calling for the boycott after she was shocked to discover Girl Scouts USA, or GSUSA, has been admitting transgender boys who claim to be girls into scout troops.

After controversy arose over the potential admission of Colorado 7-year-old Bobby Montoya last month, The Girl Scouts of Colorado released a statement explaining, “We accept all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members. If a child identifies as a girl and the child’s family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout.”

Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts, added, “If a child is living as a girl, that’s good enough for us. We don’t require any proof of gender.”

According to a report in the Baptist Press, Trujillo also affirmed transgendered children are currently serving in Girl Scout troops across the U.S., though she declined to give details.

Taylor, however, cites in the video GSUSA materials that outline the importance of the Scouts’ all-girl format and expresses concern about 12th-grade boys passing themselves off as girls.

“The real question is, why is GSUSA willing to break their own safety rules and go against its own research institute findings to accommodate transgender boys?” Taylor asks. “Unfortunately, I think it is because GSUSA cares more about promoting the desires of a small handful of people than it does for my safety and the safety of my friends and sister Girl Scouts, and they are doing it with money we earned for them from Girl Scout cookies.”

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“Right now, GSUSA and councils are focusing on adult agendas that have nothing to do with helping girls,” she continues. “I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience not to sell any cookies until GSUSA addresses our concerns. I ask all parents of Girl Scouts who want their girls to be in a safe environment to tell their leaders why you will not allow your girls to make any more money for GSUSA.”

“There are better ways to support Girl Scout girls,” she concludes. “You can still support your favorite Girl Scout without giving GSUSA more pocket money.”


Really, I'm just kind of happy to know that the girl scouts let trans members in. And, really completely annoyed that they can be so progressive while the boy scouts are stuck in a centuries ago bigoted mindset. I'd actually like to be proud of some of my achievements rather than disgusted at the organization, even if they were forced upon me by parents.

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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Роберт » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:48 pm UTC

has been admitting transgender boys who claim to be girls into scout troops
Huh?

People assigned female at birth but who identify as male and claim to be girls? The editor of this article sucks.
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Postby Diadem » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:59 pm UTC

Yeah whoever wrote that article hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. They use 'transgender boy' in the quote from the girl who is complaining. Nothing wrong with that, a quote is a quote. But in the article proper they should at least take care to get their terminology right. Oh well, this is more likely shoddy journalism than a case of ill-will. The article seems fairly neutral otherwise.

I'm surprised though. I had always heard that the scouts in the USA are so backwards they are mooning the future. For example I heard that they don't allow gays at all. Am I wrong, or did this change recently?
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby rath358 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:02 pm UTC

At the top, BSA doesn't think very highly of gays. A lot of this is attributed to their funding from the Mormons.
On the level of individual camps and troops, they can be a lot more accepting.

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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:04 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:I'm surprised though. I had always heard that the scouts in the USA are so backwards they are mooning the future. For example I heard that they don't allow gays at all. Am I wrong, or did this change recently?

Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are separate organizations.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby omgryebread » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:05 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:Yeah whoever wrote that article hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. They use 'transgender boy' in the quote from the girl who is complaining. Nothing wrong with that, a quote is a quote. But in the article proper they should at least take care to get their terminology right. Oh well, this is more likely shoddy journalism than a case of ill-will. The article seems fairly neutral otherwise.

I'm surprised though. I had always heard that the scouts in the USA are so backwards they are mooning the future. For example I heard that they don't allow gays at all. Am I wrong, or did this change recently?
It's almost certainly ill-will. Check out the front page of the website. A few seconds scan, and it's pretty clearly worthless for objective reporting.

The Girl Scouts are vastly more progressive than the Boy Scouts. They used to be all about homemaking and shit like that, but they veered off and are now not affiliated with the Boy Scouts (and much cooler.)


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Postby Роберт » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:07 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:Yeah whoever wrote that article hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. They use 'transgender boy' in the quote from the girl who is complaining. Nothing wrong with that, a quote is a quote. But in the article proper they should at least take care to get their terminology right. Oh well, this is more likely shoddy journalism than a case of ill-will. The article seems fairly neutral otherwise.

I'm surprised though. I had always heard that the scouts in the USA are so backwards they are mooning the future. For example I heard that they don't allow gays at all. Am I wrong, or did this change recently?

World Net Daily probably has an official policy to misgender trans individuals, actually. And you're confusing Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Very different organizations.

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Diadem wrote:I'm surprised though. I had always heard that the scouts in the USA are so backwards they are mooning the future. For example I heard that they don't allow gays at all. Am I wrong, or did this change recently?

Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are separate organizations.

I did not know this. But how does that work at joint events? Or for mixed groups?

Unless no such events and groups exist in the US. But that sounds a bit 19th century even for US standards.
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Postby Dauric » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:15 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:
Diadem wrote:I'm surprised though. I had always heard that the scouts in the USA are so backwards they are mooning the future. For example I heard that they don't allow gays at all. Am I wrong, or did this change recently?

Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are separate organizations.

I did not know this. But how does that work at joint events? Or for mixed groups?

Unless no such events and groups exist in the US. But that sounds a bit 19th century even for US standards.


There's no joint events or mixed BSA/GSA events unless they're organized at the individual troop (ie: effectively neighborhood or community) level by the individual troop leaders.
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Postby Griffin » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:16 pm UTC

My understanding is they don't have mixed events because they don't have anything to do with each other. Mixes between them are probably handled the same way girl scouts would mix with with any other scout group or with some camp that has non-girl-scout members. The organizations are very much their own things, from what I understand.
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Griffin wrote:My understanding is they don't have mixed events because they don't have anything to do with each other. Mixes between them are probably handled the same way girl scouts would mix with with any other scout group or with some camp that has non-girl-scout members. The organizations are very much their own things, from what I understand.


This, to the best of my knowledge. Despite the name and the idea that Juliette Gordon Low founded the organization after meeting Baden-Powell, there is no official link between the two organizations. In fact, I'm not sure about this, but I think Girl Scouts wasn't actually the original name of the organization.
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Postby Dark567 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:19 pm UTC

Jahoclave wrote:Really, I'm just kind of happy to know that the girl scouts let trans members in. And, really completely annoyed that they can be so progressive while the boy scouts are stuck in a centuries ago bigoted mindset. I'd actually like to be proud of some of my achievements rather than disgusted at the organization, even if they were forced upon me by parents.
The BSA is more of a national organization of the Boy Scout troops then a bureaucracy in-and-of itself; it has little control of what happens on the troop level(the level on which most membership decisions are actually made). The BSA really has no way of policing its troops. I knew of a few troops that allowed trans and gay members in(and for that matter atheists, of which I am one).

That being said the BSA's positions allow its member troops to discriminant, and that is really disappointing.

@radical: It was originally called Girl Guides.
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Postby Dauric » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:21 pm UTC

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Griffin wrote:My understanding is they don't have mixed events because they don't have anything to do with each other. Mixes between them are probably handled the same way girl scouts would mix with with any other scout group or with some camp that has non-girl-scout members. The organizations are very much their own things, from what I understand.


This, to the best of my knowledge. Despite the name and the idea that Juliette Gordon Low founded the organization after meeting Baden-Powell, there is no official link between the two organizations. In fact, I'm not sure about this, but I think Girl Scouts wasn't actually the original name of the organization.


"Girl Guides of America", according to Wikipedia

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Postby snow5379 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:31 pm UTC

I have no problems with the Girl Scounts allowing boys to join. I do have a problem with the "living as a girl" part though... I don't think gender roles should even exist in our society and that they should just accept anyone who wants to join. For the record I feel strongly against transgender people because they propagate the idea of identifying with a gender role... something no one should do in my opinion.

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Postby mike-l » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:38 pm UTC

GSUSA wrote:After controversy arose over the potential admission of Colorado 7-year-old Bobby Montoya last month, The Girl Scouts of Colorado released a statement explaining, “We accept all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members. If a child identifies as a girl and the child’s family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout.”

Rachelle Trujillo, vice president for communications of the Colorado Girl Scouts, added, “If a child is living as a girl, that’s good enough for us. We don’t require any proof of gender.”
Good for them

Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?
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Postby Dauric » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:41 pm UTC

mike-l wrote:
Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?


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mike-l wrote:
Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?
For that matter whats wrong with hangout with people from the opposite gender? I kinda just wish the two organizations were integrated. As much as a hassle as that would be with the different aims and programs.
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mike-l wrote:
Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?

You and I know exactly what she means. (Edit: Also, they need to identify AND PRESENT as girls. Just a clarification.)

Where, exactly, she thinks trans girls should be able to go is beyond me, though. Does she really want trans girls to join the Boy Scouts? Also, does she want trans boys in the Girl Scouts? Somehow I don't think trans boys in the girl scouts would be a "true all-girl experience" either.
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Postby Griffin » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:43 pm UTC

I'd much rather see the Girl Scouts spin off a coed group or a group for boys (Boy Guides? Wilderness Explorers? Coed Rangers?) than do any sort of integrating with the assholes at the BSA.
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snow5379 wrote:For the record I feel strongly against transgender people because they propagate the idea of identifying with a gender role... something no one should do in my opinion.
Why are you singling transgendered people* out? Do you also feel just as strongly about cisgendered people*? They're doing precisely the same thing, aren't they?

* This is the right nomenclature, right? Anyone?
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mike-l wrote:
Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?

You and I know exactly what she means. (Edit: Also, they need to identify AND PRESENT as girls. Just a clarification.)

Of course we do, I'm just calling her wrong.
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Postby philsov » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:49 pm UTC

At the top, BSA doesn't think very highly of gays. A lot of this is attributed to their funding from the Mormons.
On the level of individual camps and troops, they can be a lot more accepting.


I came in to post the same. It's because the BSA is funded by bigots that they have to adopt the bigotted stance themselves. And, yes, at the local level they can be very accepting of both gays and atheists (sometimes within the same member. The horror.).

Also, regarding both the GSA and BSA, there is a branch of Scouting that is co-ed, dubbed Venture(or Explorer) that's ages 14-21. It's headed primarily by the BSA, but it's the "next step" for a lot of girl scouts that are still in the program when they're teenagers. So while there is officially no overlap... there is. However, due to its co ed nature I don't think being of trans nature would be sufficient criteria for preventing her from joining should time ever progress to that point.

That said:

Good for the girl scouts. Not surprised by the outcry. Still buying thin mints like a boss.

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snow5379 wrote:For the record I feel strongly against transgender people because they propagate the idea of identifying with a gender role... something no one should do in my opinion.
Why are you singling transgendered people* out? Do you also feel just as strongly about cisgendered people*? They're doing precisely the same thing, aren't they?

* This is the right nomenclature, right? Anyone?

Actually, isn't not identifying as a gender considered to be transgendered?
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Postby Belial » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:50 pm UTC

Blah, I was hoping I could get to that post before anyone replied. So let's try this again.

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snow5379 wrote:For the record I feel strongly against transgender people because they propagate the idea of identifying with a gender role... something no one should do in my opinion.
Why are you singling transgendered people* out? Do you also feel just as strongly about cisgendered people*? They're doing precisely the same thing, aren't they?

* This is the right nomenclature, right? Anyone?

Actually, isn't not identifying as a gender considered to be transgendered?

I'm pretty sure agender is separate from trans and androgynous, although trans is often used (incorrectly) to mean "not cis". That's my understanding.
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Postby buddy431 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:58 pm UTC

The U.S. is somewhat unique in having separate scouting movements for boys and girls - anymore, most scouting organizations are co-ed. You can look at worldwide members of the WOSM (which accepts both boys-only and co-ed groups), and see that many of them anymore admit boys and girls (on the other hand, you can look at the list of members of the WAGGGS, and see that there do remain many girls-only guiding organizations, even in nations that have co-ed scouting organizations). In many nations with both a scouting organization and a guiding organization, it appears that the scouting organizations tend to be more popular. An interesting exception appears to be the UK, where the girls-only guiding organization has more members than the co-ed scouting organization. And again, all are independent, able to set there own rules on who to admit and such.
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Postby Diadem » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:02 pm UTC

Griffin wrote:My understanding is they don't have mixed events because they don't have anything to do with each other.

Yes, what could a youth organizations that focusses on outdoor activities, camping and other survival skills and earning badges, with strong emphasis on friendship, character development and camaraderie, possibly have in common with a youth organization that focusses on outdoor activities, camping and other survival skills and earning badges, with strong emphasis on friendship, character development and camaraderie?

I really see no reason for these organizations to be separate, except bigotry.

And I don't think they are in other countries, are they?

It's just so 19th century, separating boys and girls.
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Postby Lostdreams » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:05 pm UTC

I am pleased to still be able to buy those tasty cookies, perhaps I will buy extra this time.

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Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?


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Postby CorruptUser » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:06 pm UTC

Lostdreams wrote:I am pleased to still be able to buy those tasty cookies, perhaps I will buy extra this time.

Dauric wrote:
mike-l wrote:
Boycott calling ignoramus wrote:I ask all fellow Girl Scouts who want a true, all-girl experience
What exactly about hanging out with people who identify as female isn't a 'true all-girl experience'?


<snark> It's obviously the cooties. </snark>


The medical field has long since applied the dual banded period vaccine to solve this problem.


Vaccine? Whatever happined to Kerosene? Kerosene is a pretty good cure for cooties; just don't smoke.

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Postby Dark567 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:09 pm UTC

Griffin wrote:I'd much rather see the Girl Scouts spin off a coed group or a group for boys (Boy Guides? Wilderness Explorers? Coed Rangers?) than do any sort of integrating with the assholes at the BSA.
Ironically, the BSA already has multiply coed groups:
Venturing
Sea Scouts
Learning for Life

At least part of the reason the BSA has these is because its program was different then GSUS and many girl scouts wanted to do those BSA activities, so the BSA started Co-Ed programs to increase its membership. The National BSA ultimately has two goals: to increase membership and increase funding(donations). It's many offshoots help it do this by opening up to both genders, and in the case of Learning for Life, opening up to all sexual orientations and non-theists, all while be able to go back to the Mormons and claim the Boy Scouts(just one division of the BSA) doesn't allow gay's and girls.

It's actually pretty ingenius.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Vaniver » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:18 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:I really see no reason for these organizations to be separate, except bigotry.

And I don't think they are in other countries, are they?

It's just so 19th century, separating boys and girls.
This makes sense before puberty, but there is a strong practical concern with taking male and female teenagers out into the woods together, which appears to be Taylor's actual objection.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Роберт » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:21 pm UTC

Vaniver wrote:
Diadem wrote:I really see no reason for these organizations to be separate, except bigotry.

And I don't think they are in other countries, are they?

It's just so 19th century, separating boys and girls.
This makes sense before puberty, but there is a strong practical concern with taking male and female teenagers out into the woods together, which appears to be Taylor's actual objection.

If that was her objection, than she should worry about homosexual girls, not trans girls.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:25 pm UTC

Vaniver wrote:
Diadem wrote:I really see no reason for these organizations to be separate, except bigotry.

And I don't think they are in other countries, are they?

It's just so 19th century, separating boys and girls.
This makes sense before puberty, but there is a strong practical concern with taking male and female teenagers out into the woods together, which appears to be Taylor's actual objection.

Which really means that you've got to be really dedicated to the off-chance of getting some to pretend to be trans. Then again, I'm probably doing that whole critical thinking thing again.

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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Dauric » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:28 pm UTC

Jahoclave wrote:
Vaniver wrote:
Diadem wrote:I really see no reason for these organizations to be separate, except bigotry.

And I don't think they are in other countries, are they?

It's just so 19th century, separating boys and girls.
This makes sense before puberty, but there is a strong practical concern with taking male and female teenagers out into the woods together, which appears to be Taylor's actual objection.

Which really means that you've got to be really dedicated to the off-chance of getting some to pretend to be trans. Then again, I'm probably doing that whole critical thinking thing again.


Either that, or they buy in to the belief, consciously or otherwise, that biological males are genetically hardwired to be rapists and no girl or their 'virtue' is safe if there's a penis in the area regardless which brain it's attached to.

Note: I'm not agreeing with the idea, but I've heard it expressed one way or another often enough.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Diadem » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:31 pm UTC

Vaniver wrote:
Diadem wrote:I really see no reason for these organizations to be separate, except bigotry.

And I don't think they are in other countries, are they?

It's just so 19th century, separating boys and girls.
This makes sense before puberty, but there is a strong practical concern with taking male and female teenagers out into the woods together, which appears to be Taylor's actual objection.

eh, what practical concerns? That they might enjoy the camp a little bit more with some extracurricular activities? The sheer horror!
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:31 pm UTC

People with that kind of thinking traditionally assign more culpability on those magnetic vaginas rather than the penes of steel.

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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Elvish Pillager » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:48 pm UTC

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mike-l wrote:Actually, isn't not identifying as a gender considered to be transgendered?

I'm pretty sure agender is separate from trans and androgynous, although trans is often used (incorrectly) to mean "not cis". That's my understanding.

Depends how you think about it. If "trans" means "Your identification set is different than the one you were assigned" then agendered people are trans, because we're typically assigned either (male only) or (female only) and we don't identify as that. But if "trans" means "You identify as something that you weren't assigned", then we're not trans.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Dauric » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:55 pm UTC

Elvish Pillager wrote:
Роберт wrote:
mike-l wrote:Actually, isn't not identifying as a gender considered to be transgendered?

I'm pretty sure agender is separate from trans and androgynous, although trans is often used (incorrectly) to mean "not cis". That's my understanding.

Depends how you think about it. If "trans" means "Your identification set is different than the one you were assigned" then agendered people are trans, because we're typically assigned either (male only) or (female only) and we don't identify as that. But if "trans" means "You identify as something that you weren't assigned", then we're not trans.


"Trans" is the Latin prefix meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the opposite side". Proper use would indicate identifying with the opposing gender, where the prefix "a" means "without", so the proper use would be "agender" for one that does not identify either way.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:57 pm UTC

Though be sure to use that prefix as an adjective and not a prefix, or it's offensive.
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Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

Postby Роберт » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:58 pm UTC

Elvish Pillager wrote:
Роберт wrote:
mike-l wrote:Actually, isn't not identifying as a gender considered to be transgendered?

I'm pretty sure agender is separate from trans and androgynous, although trans is often used (incorrectly) to mean "not cis". That's my understanding.

Depends how you think about it. If "trans" means "Your identification set is different than the one you were assigned" then agendered people are trans, because we're typically assigned either (male only) or (female only) and we don't identify as that. But if "trans" means "You identify as something that you weren't assigned", then we're not trans.

Hmm... wikipedia defines transsexual the way I was thinking, and transgender as "not cis", basically. No wonder I was confused. If trans is short for transsexual, I'm right, but if it's short for transgender, I'm wrong. At least, according to wikipedia.
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