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Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby CorruptUser » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:41 pm UTC

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A group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals say it's time to change the way society views individuals who have physical attractions to children.

The organization, which calls itself B4U-Act, is lobbying for changes to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, the guideline of standards on mental health that's put together by the American Psychiatric Association.


The group says its mission is to help pedophiles before they create a crisis, and to do so by offering a less critical view of the disorder.

"Stigmatizing and stereotyping minor-attracted people inflames the fears of minor-attracted people, mental health professionals and the public, without contributing to an understanding of minor-attracted people or the issue of child sexual abuse," reads the organization's website.

B4U-Act said that 38 individuals attended a symposium in Baltimore last week, including researchers from Harvard University, Johns Hopkins University and the universities of Illinois and Louisville. According to the group, which said to not endorse every point of view expressed, the speakers in attendance concluded that "minor-attracted" individuals are largely misunderstood and should not be criminalized even as their actions should be discouraged.

Speakers also argued that people who are sexually attracted to children should have input into the decision about how pedophilia is defined in the DSM, which they said is supposed to be a guide to promote “mental health vs. social control.”

The American Psychiatric Association did not participate in the conference, and evidently does not condone the group's message.

"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act and this is never considered normal or socially acceptable behavior," the APA wrote in a 2003 position statement.

Critics of the effort also note that the movement likens its fight for pedophilia acceptance to society's more recent embrace of homosexuality. They warn of a slippery slope to a time when pedophilia is "just another lifestyle choice" that won't warrant criminal charges—and will leave young children at risk.


Finally!

Pedophiles are people, mentally ill people desperately in need of psychiatric help. Currently, seeking help for this kind of mental illness is almost asking to be put on some kind of list, so many pedophiles avoid going to a psychiatrist; the one person that could help make them 'normal'. The results are not pretty.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby podbaydoor » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:48 pm UTC

Critics of the effort also note that the movement likens its fight for pedophilia acceptance to society's more recent embrace of homosexuality. They warn of a slippery slope to a time when pedophilia is "just another lifestyle choice" that won't warrant criminal charges—and will leave young children at risk.

Bullshit. We spend money to have counselors and doctors and mental health wards at prisons, to help offenders deal with and possibly heal some of their mental illnesses that may have contributed to the crimes that landed them in jail. And yet this health care is not seen as an endorsement of crime - because it's not. But it is part of reaching a solution to crime.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby sourmìlk » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:57 pm UTC

Most of their points I agree with: if people have a mental illness, then whether or not that illness is a danger to others, they should get help. That said:

Speakers also argued that people who are sexually attracted to children should have input into the decision about how pedophilia is defined in the DSM

This is stupid. As somebody with asperger's, I damn well don't think I should define it in the DSM. That's up to experts who have actually observed the illness and the traits that usually define it.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby greengiant » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:09 pm UTC

This sounds fairly positive - help people in need, hopefully prevent some horrible crimes. It's quite weird that people would object to it really.

That said, I wouldn't fancy being one of the counsellors. You'd have a very fine line to walk when it comes to confidentiality. As soon as a crime is committed (which would be bound to happen were this implemented on a large scale) by someone you've talked to, there'll be an implication that you could have prevented the crime by reporting the person to the authorities. But if the counsellors report many people to the authorities who's going to talk to them. Tricky.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:19 pm UTC

In an ideal world, communication between counselors and law enforcement would be fluid and allow for people with potentially dangerous issues to feel comfortable enough to seek help for them, while counselors would maintain an ability to judge when an at risk individual needs to be taken in.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby sourmìlk » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:26 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:In an ideal world, communication between counselors and law enforcement would be fluid and allow for people with potentially dangerous issues to feel comfortable enough to seek help for them, while counselors would maintain an ability to judge when an at risk individual needs to be taken in.


Yeah, and this is the case with all potentially dangerous mental illnesses. Doctor-patient confidentiality until somebody's in immediate danger, right?
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Sockmonkey » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:55 am UTC

That's the simplifed version yeah. Danger to self or others.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Vash » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:20 am UTC

To some extent, there is a trade-off between treatment and security (security as in action by some group that uses force). Therapists and organizations differ in how they handle it. Some will report based on any sign of trouble, and others will put more emphasis on treatment as a way to prevent aggression. More persuasive therapists might put more emphasis on treatment, I would say.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Adacore » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:50 am UTC

I'm curious, so please don't kill me for asking this. Is there any reason to define pedophilia as a psychiatric illness, rather than see it in the same way as homosexuality, as 'just the way some people are', other than the obvious moral difference (which shouldn't really come into a scientific definition)? I can see is at least some justification, since there is correlation between people who were abused themselves and people who go on to be pedophiles, but does this account for the entire phenomenon being a mental illness?

Obviously pedophilia is undesirable and needs to be addressed in some way, but saying 'pedophilia is always a mental illness and can be treated' seems to have strong parallels to the accepted opinion of homosexuality 50 years ago.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby yurell » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:13 am UTC

I was wondering the same thing — is there any psychological difference between tendencies towards paedophilia and, say, zoophilia, homosexuality or heterosexuality? I can see that there are obvious moral and legal differences, but I'm not a psychiatrist.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby jakovasaur » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:14 am UTC

Adacore wrote:I'm curious, so please don't kill me for asking this. Is there any reason to define pedophilia as a psychiatric illness, rather than see it in the same way as homosexuality, as 'just the way some people are', other than the obvious moral difference (which shouldn't really come into a scientific definition)? I can see is at least some justification, since there is correlation between people who were abused themselves and people who go on to be pedophiles, but does this account for the entire phenomenon being a mental illness?

Obviously pedophilia is undesirable and needs to be addressed in some way, but saying 'pedophilia is always a mental illness and can be treated' seems to have strong parallels to the accepted opinion of homosexuality 50 years ago.

"Mental illness" has always had a moral, or at least normative component, and isn't an objective category. We call people mentally ill when we want to fix them, or see them as incompatible with our society. Slaves who had an "irrational" desire to escape had Drapetomania, for example. With black people and gays, we realized we can change our society and culture a little bit, and they can fit right in, so we decided they weren't mentally ill anymore. Unfortunately, if pedophiles want to have sex with kids, that seems truly incompatible with how we do things, so we will continue to call them mentally ill.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Thesh » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:22 am UTC

Yeah, what is and what is not a mental illness is often highly subjective. Anything outside of cultural norms can pretty much be considered a mental illness.

That said, pedophiles have sexual attraction to kids, but it doesn't mean they act on them. I say let them look at virtual child porn and stop worrying so much about them.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

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Adacore wrote:I'm curious, so please don't kill me for asking this. Is there any reason to define pedophilia as a psychiatric illness, rather than see it in the same way as homosexuality, as 'just the way some people are', other than the obvious moral difference (which shouldn't really come into a scientific definition)? I can see is at least some justification, since there is correlation between people who were abused themselves and people who go on to be pedophiles, but does this account for the entire phenomenon being a mental illness?

Obviously pedophilia is undesirable and needs to be addressed in some way, but saying 'pedophilia is always a mental illness and can be treated' seems to have strong parallels to the accepted opinion of homosexuality 50 years ago.


I don't think so, but then I'm a layman so take everything I say with a large grain of salt.
Wikipedia tells me that pedophilia doesn't respond well to treatment. The treatments that do work either reduce rates of sexual offence or just decrease libido in general, neither of which are really cures. This furthers the parallel with homosexuality and leads me to suspect that pedophilia is labeled as an illness out of social necessity. It's not voluntary, but it's extremely dangerous. Punitive sentencing is pointless and immoral in this case, but the only legal way to not give pointless punishment is by having these people defined as mentally ill. That way, society can keep them under control without unnecessary suffering. Makes sense from a society-building point of view.

EDIT @ Thesh: I agree. Now, if only people could get past the ick factor.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby jakovasaur » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:31 am UTC

Thesh wrote:Yeah, what is and what is not a mental illness is often highly subjective. Anything outside of cultural norms can pretty much be considered a mental illness.

That said, pedophiles have sexual attraction to kids, but it doesn't mean they act on them. I say let them look at virtual child porn and stop worrying so much about them.

Yeah, I tried to make it clear that I was only saying the ones who intend to act on their desires are incompatible with our society. I can't even imagine how awful it must be to have to choose between suppressing your sexuality for your entire life or hurting a child in that way. It is not surprising that it is too large a burden to bear for many of them, especially considering how they are treated by our culture.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Izawwlgood » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:53 am UTC

Thesh wrote:Yeah, what is and what is not a mental illness is often highly subjective. Anything outside of cultural norms can pretty much be considered a mental illness.

That said, pedophiles have sexual attraction to kids, but it doesn't mean they act on them. I say let them look at virtual child porn and stop worrying so much about them.

I'm no expert on the matter, and I don't know what the statistics are, but I wager this is an issue perhaps because people who identify as pedophiles have a tendency to escalate in their behavior. This isn't a matter of 'just let them do their own thing so long as they aren't harming anyone', because 'their own thing' often results in them taking action.

As for why we are viewing pedophilia as a disorder, assume it has something to do with the 'fixate harmfully on a non-consensual and individual or body of individuals sexually' thing?
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Vash » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:40 am UTC

Adacore wrote:I'm curious, so please don't kill me for asking this. Is there any reason to define pedophilia as a psychiatric illness, rather than see it in the same way as homosexuality, as 'just the way some people are', other than the obvious moral difference (which shouldn't really come into a scientific definition)? I can see is at least some justification, since there is correlation between people who were abused themselves and people who go on to be pedophiles, but does this account for the entire phenomenon being a mental illness?

Obviously pedophilia is undesirable and needs to be addressed in some way, but saying 'pedophilia is always a mental illness and can be treated' seems to have strong parallels to the accepted opinion of homosexuality 50 years ago.


You could instead define mental phenomena, and then have moral philosophy can qualify what their moral significance is. Ultimately, that's already the case though. Is there any reason why we shouldn't consider immoral behavior mentally ill? There are addition problems in terms of who determines what moral philosophy is valid. There is a legal system, and the definition the legal system uses, but is that truly correct? Of course, moral philosophy has been continually developing and improving, so newer ideas should often be incorporated. On the other hand, older ideas often coexist. What is actually true is that it takes great intelligence to truly compare different moral philosophies and find organizing rules for their application. Even analysis at that level will potentially have disagreement with a different analysis at the same level.

Pedophilia could have different causes that either coexist in an individual or are singular. Some of the causes could be normal thought processes interacting with abnormal ones to create the dysfunctional behavior. (in fact, returning to physical illness, this happens in cancer when blood feeds it) That the mental is unable to be objectively evaluated is the only proposition that allows one to create this doubt.

It's also straightforward that something that leads to dysfunction can be considered an illness. That's basically how the medical criteria works in the first place. It's not a sickness if it isn't harmful.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Thesh » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:00 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I'm no expert on the matter, and I don't know what the statistics are, but I wager this is an issue perhaps because people who identify as pedophiles have a tendency to escalate in their behavior. This isn't a matter of 'just let them do their own thing so long as they aren't harming anyone', because 'their own thing' often results in them taking action.


The prevalence rate of pedophilia is not known, according to wikipedia, so the statistics just aren't there.

Izawwlgood wrote:As for why we are viewing pedophilia as a disorder, assume it has something to do with the 'fixate harmfully on a non-consensual and individual or body of individuals sexually' thing?


Rape fantasies are fairly common, but having rape fantasies isn't considered a disorder.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby AvatarIII » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:16 am UTC

the way i see it, being attracted to minors can either lead to

a) attemted relations with minors
or
b) never buckling to the desire, which would lead to a life of distress

i can't really think of a 3rd way that the scenario could play out, and therefore people that have the attraction clearly need some sort of help,
i have heard of paedophiles that have been castrated, which is undeniably barbaric, but iirc the procedure was optional, and the guy that recived the procedure was infinitely happier for it.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

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AvatarIII wrote:the way i see it, being attracted to minors can either lead to

a) attemted relations with minors
or
b) never buckling to the desire, which would lead to a life of distress

i can't really think of a 3rd way that the scenario could play out, and therefore people that have the attraction clearly need some sort of help,
i have heard of paedophiles that have been castrated, which is undeniably barbaric, but iirc the procedure was optional, and the guy that recived the procedure was infinitely happier for it.


People with rape fantasies get release through role playing or porn. Making virtual child porn legal would give pedophiles an outlet.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby AvatarIII » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:44 am UTC

Thesh wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:the way i see it, being attracted to minors can either lead to

a) attemted relations with minors
or
b) never buckling to the desire, which would lead to a life of distress

i can't really think of a 3rd way that the scenario could play out, and therefore people that have the attraction clearly need some sort of help,
i have heard of paedophiles that have been castrated, which is undeniably barbaric, but iirc the procedure was optional, and the guy that recived the procedure was infinitely happier for it.


People with rape fantasies get release through role playing or porn. Making virtual child porn legal would give pedophiles an outlet.


perhaps, but that wouldn't work for everybody, i mean, look at the amount of people who do actually get raped, when there is plenty of totally legal rape porn out there.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Thesh » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:47 am UTC

AvatarIII wrote:
Thesh wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:the way i see it, being attracted to minors can either lead to

a) attemted relations with minors
or
b) never buckling to the desire, which would lead to a life of distress

i can't really think of a 3rd way that the scenario could play out, and therefore people that have the attraction clearly need some sort of help,
i have heard of paedophiles that have been castrated, which is undeniably barbaric, but iirc the procedure was optional, and the guy that recived the procedure was infinitely happier for it.


People with rape fantasies get release through role playing or porn. Making virtual child porn legal would give pedophiles an outlet.


perhaps, but that wouldn't work for everybody, i mean, look at the amount of people who do actually get raped, when there is plenty of totally legal rape porn out there.


Actually, rape is on the decline since porn became so widespread on the internet.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all ... ocial-harm

* Rape has declined. According to the Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1995, the sexual assault rate has fallen 44 percent.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby AvatarIII » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:20 am UTC

Thesh wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:
Thesh wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:the way i see it, being attracted to minors can either lead to

a) attemted relations with minors
or
b) never buckling to the desire, which would lead to a life of distress

i can't really think of a 3rd way that the scenario could play out, and therefore people that have the attraction clearly need some sort of help,
i have heard of paedophiles that have been castrated, which is undeniably barbaric, but iirc the procedure was optional, and the guy that recived the procedure was infinitely happier for it.


People with rape fantasies get release through role playing or porn. Making virtual child porn legal would give pedophiles an outlet.


perhaps, but that wouldn't work for everybody, i mean, look at the amount of people who do actually get raped, when there is plenty of totally legal rape porn out there.


Actually, rape is on the decline since porn became so widespread on the internet.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all ... ocial-harm

* Rape has declined. According to the Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1995, the sexual assault rate has fallen 44 percent.


interesting,

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Postby Iulus Cofield » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:03 pm UTC

Violent crime in general started falling around 1993, there are various theories as to why. We had a thread in this subforum about it a while ago, which quickly turned into "Crime Dropped, must be ancient aliens LOL".

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Sharlos » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:23 pm UTC

Iulus Cofield wrote:Violent crime in general started falling around 1993, there are various theories as to why. We had a thread in this subforum about it a while ago, which quickly turned into "Crime Dropped, must be ancient aliens LOL".

There was a short bit in the movie/documentary Freakonomics that suggested the overall drop on crime then was due to abortion becoming widely available ~20 years before then.

Interesting idea if true.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby legopelle » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:44 pm UTC

I think it's unsettling to see how easy pedophile is equaled to molester. The latter doesn't follow the former, and vice versa. And I guess you don't have to bee only attracted to children, but adults, animals, plants etc. as well.

What I'm getting at is we should focus on treatment for violent or rape tendencies, regardless of orientation.
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legopelle wrote:What I'm getting at is we should focus on treatment for violent or rape tendencies, regardless of orientation.
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Postby CorruptUser » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:25 pm UTC

legopelle wrote:What I'm getting at is we should focus on treatment for violent or rape tendencies, regardless of orientation.


Which you can't do under the current system where seeking help results in punishment of some kind. Usually the form of some watch-list, or a huge liability in either criminal or family court. "So, I'm under trial for rape, but the evidence is all circumstantial?" "Well, psychiatric records show that you are a pedophile!" "Guilty!".

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Plasma Man » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:28 pm UTC

There's also the problem that pedophila and ephebophilia are often viewed as being the same thing, plus age of consent varies widely from country to country, making a unified definition extremely difficult.

In short, I'm with legopelle - anyone that has a predisoposition to rape should get treatment to try to reduce or eliminate it, regardless of who they want to rape.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby curtis95112 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:47 pm UTC

Plasma Man wrote:There's also the problem that pedophila and ephebophilia are often viewed as being the same thing, plus age of consent varies widely from country to country, making a unified definition extremely difficult.

In short, I'm with legopelle - anyone that has a predisoposition to rape should get treatment to try to reduce or eliminate it, regardless of who they want to rape.


Now let's just remove the stigma from having such fantasies and we're set.

It's going to be horrendously difficult..
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:53 pm UTC

Plasma Man wrote:There's also the problem that pedophila and ephebophilia are often viewed as being the same thing, plus age of consent varies widely from country to country, making a unified definition extremely difficult.


I think Pedophilia is sex with someone before puberty. Statutory Rape is sex with someone who is under age, but post puberty.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

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Plasma Man wrote: anyone that has a predisoposition to rape should get treatment to try to reduce or eliminate it, regardless of who they want to rape.

Now let's just remove the stigma from having such fantasies and we're set.

What's the difference?
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby sourmìlk » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:18 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:Rape fantasies are fairly common, but having rape fantasies isn't considered a disorder.

My (uninformed) understanding is that people with Rape fantasies can still receive sexual satisfaction from consensual or simulated-rape sex, but pedophiles tend only to be able to receive sexual satisfaction from children.

Also, just because we don't have an effective cure for pedophilia doesn't mean that it isn't a mental illness. There are quite a few mental illnesses where all you can do is occasionally dampen the symptoms. The parallels to homosexuality really aren't there: while homosexuality and pedophilia are each physiological conditions (just like, for example, heterosexuality or proneness to heart disease), the mental "illness" part is defined by how those people can function in society and how harmful they are to themselves and others. Classifying homosexuality as an illness was bigotry, as it hurt nobody. Classifying pedophilia as a mental illness is accurate: it either negatively affects how they feel or makes them unfit to operate in society. Not because we don't like them, but because acting on their desires hurts people.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Arancaytar » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:48 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I think Pedophilia is sex with someone before puberty.


Like anything ending in -philia, it's a sexual attraction and not a sexual act. That was sort of the point... pedophilia is the illness, while child abuse is the crime.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:35 am UTC

Fine, pederasty is the sex, pedophilia this desire.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Gelsamel » Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:10 am UTC

It should also be pointed out that, much like in the case of homosexuality... one can be "bi". I suspect for the vast majority of people who have, at one time, found an underaged person sexually attractive, also find people their age sexually attractive. What I'm trying to say is that just because someone finds or has found a child to be sexually attractive doesn't mean it's a fetish, in the clinical sense. So it would be easy for these people to not act on any illegal urges without falling into mental health issues... even if we discount access to virtual child porn. This is much the same as the case with rape fantasies. Most people with rape fantasies also enjoy socially normal happy sex. But even then there are pornographic outlets for this stuff.

Also, I have not seen any research done on it, but how sure are we that pederasts are pedophiles? I would not be surprised if most pederasty is commited by people who have control/abuse issues rather than by pedophiles. But, like I said, I have not seen any statistics on that type of thing.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Greyarcher » Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:27 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:It should also be pointed out that, much like in the case of homosexuality... one can be "bi". I suspect for the vast majority of people who have, at one time, found an underaged person sexually attractive, also find people their age sexually attractive. What I'm trying to say is that just because someone finds or has found a child to be sexually attractive doesn't mean it's a fetish, in the clinical sense. So it would be easy for these people to not act on any illegal urges without falling into mental health issues... even if we discount access to virtual child porn. This is much the same as the case with rape fantasies. Most people with rape fantasies also enjoy socially normal happy sex. But even then there are pornographic outlets for this stuff.
Aye. Even if a person's sexual interests can't be realistically satisfied--or satisfied without harming others--there's always various fictitious material that people produce which can be consumed instead. I can't really condemn anyone for whatever sexual interests they have. I only have a problem if pursuing their sexual satisfaction causes them to exploit/harm other people.

And no, I don't think the "harm" of anyone stumbling across their weird porn online would count. :lol:


Edit: switched "satisfaction" with "interests" in my early sentence. Also twerked the end of the sentence for clarity.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby thc » Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:50 pm UTC

So how does the ASM plan to "help" pedophiles? Shock therapy?

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby Griffin » Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:54 pm UTC

I would not be surprised if most pederasty is commited by people who have control/abuse issues rather than by pedophiles. But, like I said, I have not seen any statistics on that type of thing.


First, pederasty is rather a peculiar term and doesn't really apply here either, as its generally restricted to sex with boys, by men, in societies that allow it. Child Sexual Molestation is probably more accurate.From what I understand, this is often the case. Also an issue with people who have no other sexual outlets aside from children. Kids are small and naive and all around much easier to abuse than adults.
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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:46 am UTC

thc wrote:So how does the ASM plan to "help" pedophiles? Shock therapy?


Remove the automatic punishments that occur when you tell your psychiatrist that you have these problems, so you can tell your psychiatrist that you have these problems, face the problems and find the source, and maybe fix said problems. Instead of not telling your psychiatrist, and letting these problems fester.

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Re: Movement to help Pedophiles get Psych care

Postby engr » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:20 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Stigmatizing and stereotyping minor-attracted people inflames the fears of minor-attracted people

So now there is a Basically Decent term for pedophiles so they don't get offended. Isn't that cute.
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