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Postby Diadem » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:32 am UTC

Dauric wrote:A lot of bureaucratic forms only have space for the middle initial to save room on the xeroxed forms. If you look at the complaint he's bitching that he can't register as "Gordon Warren Epperly", but has to register as "Gordon W. Epperly" which he claims is a government invented strawperson.

I can understand that most forms would omit the full name for efficiency sake. But surely passports, driver's licenses and other official ID would include the full name?

Also, on the subject of American names. Is it customary for Americans to only have 1 middle name, so 2 names total? Thinking about it, it seems most Americans have 2 names.

Here in The Netherlands 3 names is pretty common (used to be the standard. Nowadays still common, though probably not a majority anymore), and even more names are certainly not unheard of.

Also, the world record, according to wikipedia, is an impressive 88 names. Sorry for the Dutch link, the person does not appear to be in the English wikipedia (I can find his grandfather, but nothing after that).
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Postby Radical_Initiator » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:29 pm UTC

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Dauric wrote:A lot of bureaucratic forms only have space for the middle initial to save room on the xeroxed forms. If you look at the complaint he's bitching that he can't register as "Gordon Warren Epperly", but has to register as "Gordon W. Epperly" which he claims is a government invented strawperson.

I can understand that most forms would omit the full name for efficiency sake. But surely passports, driver's licenses and other official ID would include the full name?

Also, on the subject of American names. Is it customary for Americans to only have 1 middle name, so 2 names total? Thinking about it, it seems most Americans have 2 names.

Here in The Netherlands 3 names is pretty common (used to be the standard. Nowadays still common, though probably not a majority anymore), and even more names are certainly not unheard of.

Also, the world record, according to wikipedia, is an impressive 88 names. Sorry for the Dutch link, the person does not appear to be in the English wikipedia (I can find his grandfather, but nothing after that).


My birth certificate carries a full name, but my driver's license only includes the middle initial (which I actually prefer, not that my middle name is embarrassing, but I just like the initial better), so my best guess is that it's not customary to carry the full name on simple identification. There may even be space issues for people with fairly long full names (just making one up, Christopher Mackenzie Weatherford might be harder to fit).

Most people I know have a given name and one middle name. It's probably more common, but there are a fair number of people with two middle names. I've even known a few with more than two middle names, although it's really uncommon, in my experience.
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Postby yurell » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:34 pm UTC

Interesting discussion about the middle name. As far as my middle name goes, half of the government agencies have me down as 'B.' and the other half as 'M.', and these two halves don't seem to talk to one another; even when I show ID from one half to the other they accept it.
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yurell wrote:Interesting discussion about the middle name. As far as my middle name goes, half of the government agencies have me down as 'B.' and the other half as 'M.', and these two halves don't seem to talk to one another; even when I show ID from one half to the other they accept it.

In your case, I would pray that 'B.' never shows up on a US terrorist watch list. :)
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Postby firechicago » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:39 pm UTC

This is actually a fairly common brand of crazy among American racists, militia types and "Christian Identity" groups. Essentially, they believe that all government exercise of power is based on illegitimately constructed fictitious legal entities. So GORDON EPPERLEY is a legal construct which has nothing to do with Gordon Epperley. And Gordon Warren Epperley isn't bound by tax bills, traffic tickets, arrest warrants etc. issued in the name of Gordon W. Epperley.

My favorite example was a guy who argued that because the flag in the courtroom had a gold fringe, that therefore the court was an illegal military court, and therefore the case against him had to be dropped. It was left to the judge to point out that (a) gold fringe had never been restricted to naval use, and (b) even if the court were flying the flag of the Mickey Mouse Club, it didn't change the court's jurisdiction.

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Postby Ghostbear » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:46 pm UTC

Most of my fellow USians that I've known have middle names, I can think of one person I knew without one, and one person I knew with two. From my experience, the vast majority of us have only middle name one. There is a wide variety in people who actually like their middle name, however, and a decent number will go by it as a nickname (my grandfather that I never met was apparently Jimmie to everyone, due to his middle name being James) or as part of a nickname (TJ, AJ, CJ.. lots of J's, basically).

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Postby Dauric » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:04 pm UTC

My full name is fairly long (first, middle, last, and I'm the third in my family to have my name so there's a "III" at the end. My dad is Jr.), and I often have to decide whether to include my full middle name or not when I'm filling out forms. Some forms explicitly state middle initial only, some forms explicitly state full name in it's entirety. Then there's those forms where each letter has to go in to a separate box, spaces included and I've got three of those to fit in. It gets challenging at times to squeeze it all in.

I generally go by a nickname derived from my middle name, but it's not something that goes on official forms so it's not like I have to squeeze four names in to the space.
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I'm constantly impressed that they manage to fit Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink's name on the back of his jersey...
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Danish TV2 confesses: the video, originated from Danish satirical TV show "Natholdet", was manipulated. (Article is unfortunately only in Danish.)

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Postby Gellert1984 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:33 am UTC

This makes me feel just a little warm and fuzzy.

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Could it be less crazy than others are saying, and he is arguing the original intent? I read it as "The requirements to be a president are a naturally born citizen, at the time of writing blacks could not be citizens so it was not their intent to allow blacks to run for president?"

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Postby Xeio » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:48 pm UTC

That's not less crazy, that's just as crazy, and a pretty good example of why constitutional originalism is bonkers.

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Postby SlyReaper » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:40 pm UTC

"Constitutional originalism". Is that just posh words for "no backsies"?
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Postby Dauric » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:11 pm UTC

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Could it be less crazy than others are saying, and he is arguing the original intent? I read it as "The requirements to be a president are a naturally born citizen, at the time of writing blacks could not be citizens so it was not their intent to allow blacks to run for president?"


The problem is that the constitution allows for itself to be edited, the whole amendment process is part and parcel of the original constitution, It's not like among the first ten amendments (which were adopted at the time of the U.S. Constitution's ratification) was the amendment process to enter those amendments. So the 14'th amendment was adopted in a process stated directly in the Constitution itself. To deny any amendment to the Constitution is to deny the content of the Constitution itself.

He's only arguing "original intent" insofar as it supports his own prejudices. He also goes on to separate "Civil" rights from "Political" rights, a rhetorical hedge against his "originalism" argument failing that if he really has to accept that blacks and women can vote he refuses to accept that they can hold political office.
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Postby podbaydoor » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:12 pm UTC

Does the constitution differentiate "civil rights" and "political rights"? Where did he pull that argument out of?
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Postby Dauric » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:22 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Does the constitution differentiate "civil rights" and "political rights"? Where did he pull that argument out of?


Short answers:
1) No.
2) Apparently his ass.

Longer answer to #2:

Actually it's a reaction that's pretty common when laws pass that aren't to some group's liking, it's a variation on the "Mobile Goalposts", when some group can't argue that some level has been met they'll grudgingly agree that a certain goal has been met, but it's only halfway down the field and for the 'real' goal they'll plant a completely new one that still hasn't been met. I'd wager that it's been a popular bit of rhetoric in racist organizations and their publications and i'm sure that those inclined to read it are well exposed to the argument.
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Postby buddy431 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:59 pm UTC

Kids who play active video games might not actually get any more exercise

Researchers say the children either opted not to play the active games at the same level of intensity as in the lab studies or they chose to be less active at other times of the day to compensate for the increased activity.


However, when the kids are given explicit instructions to play the video games, their activity levels do increase.
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buddy431 wrote:Kids who play active video games might not actually get any more exercise

Researchers say the children either opted not to play the active games at the same level of intensity as in the lab studies or they chose to be less active at other times of the day to compensate for the increased activity.


However, when the kids are given explicit instructions to play the video games, their activity levels do increase.

Interesting. As a DDRer, I've long been in favour of introducing kids to "active" video games, so this adds a level of complexity. However, it certainly does little to reduce the impact of, for example, including active video games in school PE curriculums, and I can still hope that doing so makes it more likely that kids will find a form of physical activity that they enjoy. I'd like to see whether such programs affect children's choice in whether they play such games at home, and also whether it affects their level of activity in casual time.
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Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:54 pm UTC

Wasn't sure if I should make a new thread for this but... Zombie Mohammad sparks outrage, Zombie Pope...eh who cares
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That's the news article that reignited the Draw Mohammed Day thread.
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Postby Ghostbear » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:18 pm UTC

It even did so twice!

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Postby Xeio » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:27 pm UTC

To be fair, the second article was posted that was related to it had more details. Which were more "holy crap" worthy.

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Postby Diadem » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:15 pm UTC

Market cap is really not the same as true value.
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Postby Dark567 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:17 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:Market cap is really not the same as true value.
How so?
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Postby Dauric » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:25 pm UTC

Dark567 wrote:
Diadem wrote:Market cap is really not the same as true value.
How so?

Market Cap(italization) is just the value of the issued shares. It doesn't reflect the company's debts or their actual asset value (For that Insurtance companies use "Embedded Value").

Market Cap is a quick and dirty approximation of a company's value and in most cases it's close enough, but you couldn't liquidate Apple and then turn around and build the Interstate Highway system because Apple doesn't necessarily have that kind of actual assets and liquidity on hand, and even then you'd still have to pay off their creditors first.
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Dauric wrote:
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Diadem wrote:Market cap is really not the same as true value.
How so?

Market Cap(italization) is just the value of the issued shares. It doesn't reflect the company's debts or their actual asset value (For that Insurtance companies use "Embedded Value").

Market Cap is a quick and dirty approximation of a company's value and in most cases it's close enough, but you couldn't liquidate Apple and then turn around and build the Interstate Highway system because Apple doesn't necessarily have that kind of actual assets and liquidity on hand, and even then you'd still have to pay off their creditors first.
But who is to say that the asset value is its true value? Of course market cap is going to be higher than what you could get for liquidation as a company, because Apple as an organization profit; profit that has value. Value is best determined by the value people are willing to place on it, and the best way to find that is to use the market cap.
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Dark567 wrote:Value is best determined by the value people are willing to place on it, and the best way to find that is to use the market cap.

In theory yes. However if that theory was correct, then the world economy wouldn't have crashed and burned the last few years.

Stock prices represent what people think they will be able to get for a company on the stock market. There's a huge disconnect between that and true value of a company (measured by whatever metric you want to use to measure value).
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Not least for the reason that there's somewhat of a... market distortion? if everyone tries to sell all their shares at the same time.
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bigglesworth wrote:Not least for the reason that there's somewhat of a... market distortion? if everyone tries to sell all their shares at the same time.

That there's called a crash, indeed. They're entertaining to watch. For a few minutes. From a distance.
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bigglesworth wrote:Not least for the reason that there's somewhat of a... market distortion? if everyone tries to sell all their shares at the same time.

Generally the opposite happens though, when everyone sells their shares at the same time its almost always due to a buyout offering a premium price.
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Postby Jessica » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:21 pm UTC

It's a funny tumblr showing relative costs of huge things to Apple's Market Cap. Sure, you couldn't liquidate apple and make the things there. But, you would probably have a hard time liquidating apple in the first place.
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Dauric wrote:
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Diadem wrote:Market cap is really not the same as true value.
How so?

Market Cap(italization) is just the value of the issued shares. It doesn't reflect the company's debts or their actual asset value (For that Insurtance companies use "Embedded Value").

Market Cap is a quick and dirty approximation of a company's value and in most cases it's close enough, but you couldn't liquidate Apple and then turn around and build the Interstate Highway system because Apple doesn't necessarily have that kind of actual assets and liquidity on hand, and even then you'd still have to pay off their creditors first.


Market Cap is the market's estimate of the net present value of all of a company's future earnings, so no, it's not the net value of a company's assets right now and you couldn't trade Apple for the Interstate Highway System because Apple needs to continue on making profits in order to realize that value. (Though you could borrow against Apple's future earnings to build the Interstate Highway System.)

As for crashes, remember that nobody has a crystal ball to see the future perfectly. When new information is discovered to change the assessment of those future earnings for a company or sector, the price will adjust. Sometimes in a big way. Sometimes that's new information about the company itself (an endogenous shock) and sometimes that new information is about something outside the company, like something going on in the economy as a whole or in another sector of the economy that will affect that company (an exogenous shock.) The hit to financial stocks in the last recession was an endogenous shock, the hit to tech companies was primarily an exogenous shock, the hit to construction companies was likely a double whammy of endogenous and exogenous.

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When the trailer stopped moving, Arnold said he and his home were dumped in Orange County in an area called Midway off of Highway 50.

"So I just stayed there till daylight," said Arnold. "There was an airboat driver and I said 'Where am I?"
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Jessica wrote: But, you would probably have a hard time liquidating apple in the first place.


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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby addams » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:52 pm UTC

JBJ wrote:Man evicted in somewhat unique manner
Some highlights:
Arnold said he lived in a mobile home park in Titusville until Feb. 15, when the manager evicted him.

Arnold told the manager he wasn't going to leave and went inside the home with his dog and locked the door.

"Next thing you know, I'm moving," said Arnold. "I called 911 and I tried to tell them I was going down the highway in my RV and I don't know why."

When the trailer stopped moving, Arnold said he and his home were dumped in Orange County in an area called Midway off of Highway 50.

"So I just stayed there till daylight," said Arnold. "There was an airboat driver and I said 'Where am I?"
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Titusville police said they are aware of the incident but have asked the state attorney's office for advice because it is so bizarre.

As a reference, he was only towed about 5 miles from the mobile home park, but it was the next county over.

Oh me yarm. People are horrible. Funny; But, horrible.
Who knows? This guy may have all the charm of Horgart from The Labyrinth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_%28film%29

It was a proactive move on the part of the land owner. Jeeze.
So, funny. Like an old Lucy Ball skit.
So, funny. The man is in his home for the night. (After yelling at his neighbor. Just a guess.)
Then he is hit with an earthquake. Stuff falling off counters and shit falling off walls.
So, funny. He knew it was not an earthquake pretty fast. Those things do have windows.

What a weird ride that had to be. He had no idea how angry his neighbor/landlord was.
I think that he can count his lucky stars that it was not his wife behind the wheel.
She might have backed him, his dog and his RV into the pit. (Shrug.)

It is so funny to me what happens when we mix highly charged emotional situations with heavy equipment.


I wonder what the dog thinks?
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby lucrezaborgia » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:01 pm UTC

yurell wrote:Interesting discussion about the middle name. As far as my middle name goes, half of the government agencies have me down as 'B.' and the other half as 'M.', and these two halves don't seem to talk to one another; even when I show ID from one half to the other they accept it.


I have my full name spelled out on all my ID's. The hard part is my last name. It contains an apostrophe and we all know how well computer systems that were created in the 80's and 90's deal with those! I never know if my name is spelled XX'XX, XXXX, XX (with either the front or back missing), or XX XX.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby addams » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:12 pm UTC

lucrezaborgia wrote:
yurell wrote:Interesting discussion about the middle name. As far as my middle name goes, half of the government agencies have me down as 'B.' and the other half as 'M.', and these two halves don't seem to talk to one another; even when I show ID from one half to the other they accept it.


I have my full name spelled out on all my ID's. The hard part is my last name. It contains an apostrophe and we all know how well computer systems that were created in the 80's and 90's deal with those! I never know if my name is spelled XX'XX, XXXX, XX (with either the front or back missing), or XX XX.


Ah Ha! There you are. The X we have all been looking for.
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Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.


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