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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:37 pm UTC
by Роберт
Dark567 wrote:How much would a Death Star costs? More money than is on Earth many times over.

Just have the Italian Mafia print off a bunch of 100 Trillion Dollar U.S. bonds to pay for it.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:10 pm UTC
by Dauric
Роберт wrote:
Dark567 wrote:How much would a Death Star costs? More money than is on Earth many times over.

Just have the Italian Mafia print off a bunch of 100 Trillion Dollar U.S. bonds to pay for it.


...

Sith Lord waves hand in front of investor - "These are the high-quality investments you're looking for."

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:00 am UTC
by ShootTheChicken
SlyReaper wrote:
Besides, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to convert this into a Death Star.


A battle station that is simultaneously a moon? That would melt some faces.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:06 am UTC
by Ghostbear
Dark567 wrote:How much would a Death Star costs?
TL;DR: More money than is on Earth many times over.

Their cost figures for the steel assume that prices would remain constant in a situation where we are able to extract enough of it. I guess the end result would still be "way more money than exists on the Earth", but that seems a bit odd to say immediately after concluding that we do, technically, have the natural wealth to pull it off. Presumably, going by their argument (and assuming we could get a sufficiently good way to transfer those construction materials to space), we have the resources to actually go ahead and build a death star if humanity was willing to go all in for it. Would that not mean that we do have the money for it, since money is just a representation of wealth?

ShootTheChicken wrote:A battle station that is simultaneously a moon? That would melt some faces.

That's no moon, it's a- What? Oh. Damn. Carry on then.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:03 am UTC
by Djehutynakht
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/0 ... 52766.html


Gamer dies in Internet Cafe. It takes 10 hours for them to notice, only realizing when they come to tell him that his time is up.


Police told the Taipei Times they were disgusted when they arrived at the scene to find other gamers were disinterested in the corpse and wanted to continue playing during the investigation

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:21 am UTC
by Iulus Cofield
Jesus, how often does that happen? Seems like the third time in the last year.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:29 am UTC
by Djehutynakht
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Isr ... story.html


A toddler in Israel was recently discovered in his room calmly chewing off the head of an extremely poisonous snake.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:57 am UTC
by Ibid
Ghostbear wrote:
Dark567 wrote:How much would a Death Star costs?
TL;DR: More money than is on Earth many times over.

Their cost figures for the steel assume that prices would remain constant in a situation where we are able to extract enough of it. I guess the end result would still be "way more money than exists on the Earth", but that seems a bit odd to say immediately after concluding that we do, technically, have the natural wealth to pull it off. Presumably, going by their argument (and assuming we could get a sufficiently good way to transfer those construction materials to space), we have the resources to actually go ahead and build a death star if humanity was willing to go all in for it. Would that not mean that we do have the money for it, since money is just a representation of wealth?


You're confusing a stock and a flow. GDP is measured in dollars per year. The cost of all that iron is measured in dollars. Thus, we can estimate how long it would take for the combined GDP of the earth to equal the combined worth of that iron. In this case you're really looking more at money as a unit than you are as a transaction or for it's value.

Of course it would take MORE than 13 000 years, since as you mentioned the cost of iron would go up as demand went up. It would also take less than 800 000 years, since supply would increase as demand went up. You COULD do a full on analysis of it and get a more exact figure, but then you'd be ignoring technological development, which isn't really negligible on those time scales (13 000 years ago we didn't even have agriculture). So it's somewhat irrelevant.

So yes, we "have the money for it", but that doesn't mean we can spend that money right now. Think of it like a mortgage. You'll have the money over your lifetime, but that doesn't mean you can have it right now.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:08 am UTC
by Ghostbear
Ibid wrote:So yes, we "have the money for it", but that doesn't mean we can spend that money right now. Think of it like a mortgage. You'll have the money over your lifetime, but that doesn't mean you can have it right now.

I agree, but I was taking issue with the statement "More money than is on Earth many times over". I did not mean to imply that we could get all that construction material over a short period of time if we wished.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:02 am UTC
by Carlington
folkhero wrote:Kim Jong Un: the rumors of his death were greatly exaggerated, probably.

Wait...There were rumours of Kimg Jong-Un's death?

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:31 pm UTC
by Angua
Man survives for 2 months inside car

This is utterly incredible.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:37 pm UTC
by Dark Avorian
Djehutynakht wrote:http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+toddler+chews+head+snake/6061344/story.html


A toddler in Israel was recently discovered in his room calmly chewing off the head of an extremely poisonous snake.


So how long do we have before the Giants invade?

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:02 pm UTC
by SlyReaper
Ibid wrote:Of course it would take MORE than 13 000 years, since as you mentioned the cost of iron would go up as demand went up.

It's never that straight-forward though, because supply would increase to satisfy the demand. As entrepreneurs notice the price of steel rising, they'll want a piece of the pie and so will start producing the stuff. They'll start competing with each other and possibly start over-producing the stuff. The price may actually go down; it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the sharp increase in the price of steel would be followed by a crash. It's not like we've never seen boom-and-bust before.

That said, why are we assuming the Death Star is made of steel? You'd think a galaxy-spanning empire would have access to more advanced materials than steel. I wonder if a Death Star made of steel would actually implode under its own gravity.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:11 pm UTC
by Angua
wrong thread

continue discussion about death star - though I think someone suriving for 2 months in a car under snow is more impressive.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:18 pm UTC
by addams
Angua wrote:Man survives for 2 months inside car

This is utterly incredible.


Snow is scary. I am afraid of it. Ice is the really scary part of phases of water.

I have heard that it can be tamed. That poor man. He may be snow phobic, now.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:42 pm UTC
by SlyReaper

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:40 pm UTC
by Plasma Man
That is very cool. The big problem of dealing with cancer is finding a way to target only cancerous cells, this could be a good way around that.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:13 pm UTC
by Ibid
SlyReaper wrote:
Ibid wrote:Of course it would take MORE than 13 000 years, since as you mentioned the cost of iron would go up as demand went up.

It's never that straight-forward though, because supply would increase to satisfy the demand. As entrepreneurs notice the price of steel rising, they'll want a piece of the pie and so will start producing the stuff. They'll start competing with each other and possibly start over-producing the stuff. The price may actually go down; it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the sharp increase in the price of steel would be followed by a crash. It's not like we've never seen boom-and-bust before.

That said, why are we assuming the Death Star is made of steel? You'd think a galaxy-spanning empire would have access to more advanced materials than steel. I wonder if a Death Star made of steel would actually implode under its own gravity.


Given the demand level we're talking about, over-producing the stuff isn't really an option. We're talking about an excessively inelastic demand here. Boom-and-bust is a pretty specific phenomenon, and in particular the type you're describing requires a "shoulder" in the demand function (where it goes from inelastic to elastic very quickly), or to overshoot the demand level of an excessively inelastic demand. The possibility of producers managing to produce so much iron that it's excessive for a death star is not likely enough to warrent concern.

Ghostbear wrote:
Ibid wrote:So yes, we "have the money for it", but that doesn't mean we can spend that money right now. Think of it like a mortgage. You'll have the money over your lifetime, but that doesn't mean you can have it right now.

I agree, but I was taking issue with the statement "More money than is on Earth many times over". I did not mean to imply that we could get all that construction material over a short period of time if we wished.


Money being used to measure natural wealth is...a tricky concept. If the statement is "more than the natural resources of the earth", then you're right, the sentence is wrong. If it's "more than the combined money base/money aggregates of the world", then the statement makes perfect sense. Even moreso, if they mean "More than the total value of world production in all good, if we traded at current prices for iron" which from context is likely what they meant, it's a little bit ambiguous what exactly that means, but under any interpretation it's still true.


SlyReaper wrote:Scientists create proper nanobots straight out of science-fiction.

Living in the future is brilliant.


Oh! I think I knew someone who was researching that! More from the biophysics working on some of the parameters of the packet rather than the more practical design and implementation, but still!

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:44 am UTC
by Adacore
Iulus Cofield wrote:Jesus, how often does that happen? Seems like the third time in the last year.

I think Taiwan is broadly similar to South Korea in this, so I'll give some context. There are a lot of PC rooms here - probably an average of 3-4 per block in cities. For most guys (and some girls) between the ages of about 10 and 25, a significant fraction - frequently the majority - of their free time is spent in PC rooms playing games*. With that many people doing it, it's not really surprising that you have a couple of deaths every year (especially for people with pre-existing conditions, like the heart problem reported in this case).

*This is anecdotal, but all my english-teacher friends out here tell me that if they ask their students what they did at the weekend, the answer is almost always 'PC room'.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:17 am UTC
by Nylonathatep

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:18 am UTC
by BoomFrog
Djehutynakht wrote:http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+toddler+chews+head+snake/6061344/story.html


A toddler in Israel was recently discovered in his room calmly chewing off the head of an extremely poisonous snake.
This article totally lacks context, this is actually just the Mossad initiation test. It only made the news because Aleeyan beat the record for the youngest recruit by 46 days. A record previously held by Michael Harari who bite the head off of a viper when two years and three months old.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:16 am UTC
by Iulus Cofield

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:40 am UTC
by Radical_Initiator

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:36 am UTC
by Diadem
As proof, Morris notes that the "radically pro-abortion" Michelle Obama is honorary president of Girl Scouts of America, which "should give each of us reason to pause before our individual or collective endorsement of the organization."

Awesome.

Even worse, he wrote, only three of the 50 role models promoted by the Girl Scouts have even "a briefly-mentioned religious background."
"All the rest are feminists, lesbians, or Communists," he wrote.

Feminists, lesbians or communists can't be religious, of course.

I'm kind of curious what that list of 50 role models is though. They must be pretty cool.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:50 am UTC
by Rodion Raskolnikov
After learning all this, he wrote, he pulled his two daughters out of the Girl Scouts and instead put them in American Heritage Girls Little Flowers, a parent-run group best described as a center for recovering Girl Scouts.


This cannot be serious. Please tell me this article was copy-and-pasted from The Onion.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:27 pm UTC
by Felstaff
Given the tone of the article, I think I can safely say that the article writer's tongue is firmly entrenched in his cheek.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:33 pm UTC
by Angua
Have you read the republican's letter though? http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120220/BLOGS01/120229962/-1/blogs

There are such gems as
A Girl Scouts of America training program last year used the Planned Parenthood sex education pamphlet "Happy, Healthy, and Hot." The pamphlet instructs young girls not to think of sex as "just about vaginal or anal intercourse." "There is no right or wrong way to have sex. Just have fun, explore and be yourself!" it states. Although individual Girl Scout troops are not forced to follow this curriculum, many do. Liberal progressive troop-leaders will indoctrinate the girls in their troop according to the principles of Planned Parenthood, making Bishop Conley's warning true.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:25 pm UTC
by Xeio
Rodion Raskolnikov wrote:
After learning all this, he wrote, he pulled his two daughters out of the Girl Scouts and instead put them in American Heritage Girls Little Flowers, a parent-run group best described as a center for recovering Girl Scouts.
This cannot be serious. Please tell me this article was copy-and-pasted from The Onion.
Yea, I was wondering if that was supposed to be "self described" or if the article writer was crazy...

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:49 pm UTC
by PeteP
Angua wrote:Have you read the republican's letter though? http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120220/BLOGS01/120229962/-1/blogs

There are such gems as
A Girl Scouts of America training program last year used the Planned Parenthood sex education pamphlet "Happy, Healthy, and Hot." The pamphlet instructs young girls not to think of sex as "just about vaginal or anal intercourse." "There is no right or wrong way to have sex. Just have fun, explore and be yourself!" it states. Although individual Girl Scout troops are not forced to follow this curriculum, many do. Liberal progressive troop-leaders will indoctrinate the girls in their troop according to the principles of Planned Parenthood, making Bishop Conley's warning true.

Is "There is no right or wrong way to have sex. Just have fun, explore and be yourself!" supposed to be an example of the horrible stuff they teach the girls? I know his circles are probably quite sex negative, but couldn't he find something which sounds at least a bit shocking?

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:28 pm UTC
by Dauric
PeteP wrote:
Angua wrote:Have you read the republican's letter though? http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120220/BLOGS01/120229962/-1/blogs

There are such gems as
A Girl Scouts of America training program last year used the Planned Parenthood sex education pamphlet "Happy, Healthy, and Hot." The pamphlet instructs young girls not to think of sex as "just about vaginal or anal intercourse." "There is no right or wrong way to have sex. Just have fun, explore and be yourself!" it states. Although individual Girl Scout troops are not forced to follow this curriculum, many do. Liberal progressive troop-leaders will indoctrinate the girls in their troop according to the principles of Planned Parenthood, making Bishop Conley's warning true.

Is "There is no right or wrong way to have sex. Just have fun, explore and be yourself!" supposed to be an example of the horrible stuff they teach the girls? I know his circles are probably quite sex negative, but couldn't he find something which sounds at least bit shocking?


To the social conservative "Sex is Bad" crowd that -is- shocking. God made Tab P to go in slot V, putting it in slot A voids the warranty.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:34 pm UTC
by Zamfir
Some slots do genuinely void the warranty though, both of your parts and of the slot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorwerk_(company)#Trivia

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:44 pm UTC
by Diadem
Dauric wrote:To the social conservative "Sex is Bad" crowd that -is- shocking. God made Tab P to go in slot V, putting it in slot A voids the warranty.

What about sex? It's defective! It's never built to really last.
What about your Gods? They're defective! They forgot the warranty.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:07 pm UTC
by Steax
Zamfir wrote:Some slots do genuinely void the warranty though, both of your parts and of the slot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorwerk_(company)#Trivia


I'm going to copy that verbatim here, just because it's so hilarious out of context.

In 1985, Vorwerk sued the Chaos Computer Club (CCC), which had published on its Btx page an excerpt from a 1978 dissertation on “Penis Injuries When Masturbating with Vacuum Cleaners” that explicitly referred to the Kobold brand. Vorwerk feared for its reputation and brought an injunction according to which CCC would have to pay a penalty of 500,000 DM for any violation. When the dissertation supervisor and someone affected by the problem described introduced themselves to Vorwerk, they were able to convince the company of the seriousness of the source and Vorwerk withdrew its suit. In Germany, Vorwerk has been strongly associated with door-to-door sales at least since the launch of direct distribution of the Kobold vacuum cleaner. In his 1999 documentary film, Die Blume der Hausfrau, which achieved some success in German repertory cinemas, director Dominik Wessely portrayed the work of the Vorwerk sales advisers.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:27 pm UTC
by AvatarIII
Djehutynakht wrote:http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+toddler+chews+head+snake/6061344/story.html


A toddler in Israel was recently discovered in his room calmly chewing off the head of an extremely poisonous snake.


there's no such thing as a poisonous snake, venemous, yes, but poisonous no.
the difference being, it's perfectly safe to injest venom, but not poison, venom must be administered intravenously.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:20 pm UTC
by TheSoberPirate
AvatarIII wrote:
Djehutynakht wrote:http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+toddler+chews+head+snake/6061344/story.html


A toddler in Israel was recently discovered in his room calmly chewing off the head of an extremely poisonous snake.


there's no such thing as a poisonous snake, venemous, yes, but poisonous no.
the difference being, it's perfectly safe to injest venom, but not poison, venom must be administered intravenously.
Fun fact: this is true for snakes because their venom is modified saliva. Generally, all the dangerous compounds are enzymes so they just become denatured by stomach acid.

Of course, the only expert quoted in the article doesn't even think the snake in question was actually venomous. But why should we let facts get in the way of a good story?

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:51 pm UTC
by Lostdreams
After learning all this, he wrote, he pulled his two daughters out of the Girl Scouts and instead put them in American Heritage Girls Little Flowers, a parent-run group best described as a center for recovering Girl Scouts.

Those cookies are pretty addicting. I can only imagine the temptation to sample the product you're pushing must be pretty great and I'm certain many a scout is now buying box after box for personal use.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:11 pm UTC
by Shivahn
AvatarIII wrote:
Djehutynakht wrote:http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+toddler+chews+head+snake/6061344/story.html


A toddler in Israel was recently discovered in his room calmly chewing off the head of an extremely poisonous snake.


there's no such thing as a poisonous snake, venemous, yes, but poisonous no.
the difference being, it's perfectly safe to injest venom, but not poison, venom must be administered intravenously.


That's not strictly true: there are many venoms that are also toxic when ingested. The only venoms which are safe to ingest are those that aren't also toxic then.

Also, while "venomous" has a pretty clear and distinct meaning, "poison" is generally far less rigorously defined.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:48 pm UTC
by userxp
Good news everyone! Adobe Flash for Linux will now only work on Chrome. I can finally stop upgrading that shit.

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:09 pm UTC
by Randomizer
But I don't want Chrome. I have Opera for my non-Firefox needs. :(

Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:32 pm UTC
by userxp
Oh I was not defending Chrome (I use Opera too). I just don't like Flash, and now that I can finally watch Youtube without it, I am hoping that it becomes deprecated in most platforms.