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Postby addams » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:05 am UTC

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37640145
The upper house of the New South Wales parliament in Australia
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Postby Xenomortis » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:10 pm UTC

The UK's Labour party have been fined over their general election campaign's tombstone.
(They forgot to declare receipts for the infamous tablet when filling in the paperwork).

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Postby Mutex » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:26 pm UTC

I remember when that was unveiled, a Labour MP was being questioned in detail about some of the proposals, and he said "well, these proposals aren't written in stone."

...

I mean, I guess technically they're painted on top of stone rather than carved in it.


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I nearly posted this in the rant thread as it's annoyed me a fair bit:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37761668

Two women from Essex want the term "Essex girl" removed from the Oxford English Dictionary, because they consider it offensive.

It is a phrase synonymous with 1990s ladette culture, used to define brash party girls in one part of England.
And that is why two Essex women have launched a campaign to remove the 'rude and stereotypical' term "Essex girl" from the Oxford English Dictionary.

Juliet Thomas and Natasha Sawkins want their proud peers to post their success under #IAmAnEssexGirl and sign their petition to have the term scrubbed.

But, a dictionary spokeswoman said, "nothing is ever taken out of the OED".

"It's a historical dictionary," she told the BBC. "Definitions can change, but an entry will never come out."

The dictionary defines Essex girl as: "Essex girl n. [after Essex man n.] Brit. derogatory a contemptuous term applied (usu. joc.) to a type of young woman, supposedly to be found in and around Essex, and variously characterized as unintelligent, promiscuous, and materialistic."


The OED responded to explain that they never remove definitions, and they certainly don't remove definitions because they're offensive to someone. As these ladies might have worked out themselves if they looked at words listed under N. They might find one that's even more offensive than "Essex girl". If the OED excluded offensive words, they might have started with that one.

I think the reason it annoys me is that it perfectly encapsulates the mindset of the professional offendee. Their entire argument is that they find the definition offensive. That's the end of it, no need to think beyond that. And so obviously the world needs to change so they're not offended. The idea that the OED is a comprehensive recording of all the words in English there ever were, including all the horrible ones, warts and all, seems to be beyond them. And the most offensive, horrible words, like the one I alluded to earlier, are if anything particularly historically important to record. Removing them would be to lie about reality. It would be like insisting that history books never mention WW2 as it was unpleasant.

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Postby jewish_scientist » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:00 pm UTC

Your rant reminds me a lot of the debate whether or not to remove one particular word starting with N from The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. Also, the idea that a word and not its meaning can be offensive is at the core of P.C. philosophy. In other words, stopping people from using a word that refers to a stereotype is better than working to eliminate that stereotype.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:10 pm UTC

The "Essex girl" thing makes a much better "PCism gone too far" narrative, I think. Simply because it's a term that most of us are going to look at that and go "how on earth is that offensive?"

The Twain censorship example is rather different. While censorship is definitely a problem, and whitewashing history brings a host of troubles with it, the term at least, you can understand why the thought started.

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Postby Mutex » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:34 pm UTC

Wasn't the question about whether to remove that word from the editions of Tom Sawyer used in schools? That would be analogous to having a different edition of the dictionary for schools that has offensive words taken out. Something I think happens.

Having something removed from the OED is like if someone proposed removing that word from ALL editions of Tom Sawyer. It's basically trying to rewrite history, as the OED is a list of all English words that have ever been used, not just ones currently.

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Pirate Party stands to take a leading role in the next government of Iceland.

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LaserGuy wrote:Pirate Party stands to take a leading role in the next government of Iceland.

Hmm...maybe I can just move to Iceland depending on how the US election goes...
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LaserGuy wrote:Pirate Party stands to take a leading role in the next government of Iceland.

Interesting. In our recent local elections, one seat took a while to count and it was down to a few votes between the local conservative party and the Sex Party.
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Tyndmyr wrote:The "Essex girl" thing makes a much better "PCism gone too far" narrative, I think.

Yeah. I agree. What I meant was although both these cases were about the personal harm vs historical accuracy conflict, the latter case may be a better form to frame a discussion around.

Mutex wrote:Wasn't the question about whether to remove that word from the editions of Tom Sawyer used in schools? That would be analogous to having a different edition of the dictionary for schools that has offensive words taken out. Something I think happens.

In the schools'/publishers' defense, dictionaries for middle and elementary schools have to be relatively condense. The writing has to be large so the kids can easily read it, longer definitions must be used to explain the words clearer and the physical size of the book cannot be too large. Words that the students are unlikely to come across, such as racial slurs, need to be left out so more common words, like the colors of the rainbow, can be included.
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Postby Felstaff » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:46 am UTC

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I'm pretty sure this is the most random news article ever.
Kidlington 'mystery tourists' baffle Oxfordshire village.

Basically, bus groups of tourists are appearing and taken pictures of people's random houses. They are even the modern ones, rather than the oldey timey ones.

Mystery solved.
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Felstaff wrote:
Angua wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is the most random news article ever.
Kidlington 'mystery tourists' baffle Oxfordshire village.

Basically, bus groups of tourists are appearing and taken pictures of people's random houses. They are even the modern ones, rather than the oldey timey ones.

Mystery solved.

Hu. Asking them. Whoever would have come up wih this brilliant solution?

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Postby Angua » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:42 am UTC

speising wrote:
Felstaff wrote:
Angua wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is the most random news article ever.
Kidlington 'mystery tourists' baffle Oxfordshire village.

Basically, bus groups of tourists are appearing and taken pictures of people's random houses. They are even the modern ones, rather than the oldey timey ones.

Mystery solved.

Hu. Asking them. Whoever would have come up wih this brilliant solution?

I can't believe it took this long?
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Postby sardia » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:46 pm UTC

They did ask, but nobody spoke chinese. To be fair, you don't speak Mandarin either and you wouldn't have been ready with a Chinese question sheet before they left town.

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Postby Felstaff » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:52 pm UTC

I'd like to know which Chinese tourism company advertised Kidlington, of all places, as the epitome of picturesque England. Everyone knows the real most-Englandy village is Little Whinging.
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sardia wrote:They did ask, but nobody spoke chinese. To be fair, you don't speak Mandarin either and you wouldn't have been ready with a Chinese question sheet before they left town.

And Chinese people are incapable of speaking English? Their tour guide, at the very least?
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Maybe they just assumed a picture is worth a thousand words and maybe they had already said too much?

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Zohar wrote:
sardia wrote:They did ask, but nobody spoke chinese. To be fair, you don't speak Mandarin either and you wouldn't have been ready with a Chinese question sheet before they left town.

And Chinese people are incapable of speaking English? Their tour guide, at the very least?

I don't have the impression many Chinese people learn English (certainly compared to say, Indian people, who learn it to speak to other Indian people). You're right though, it's weird there wasn't a tour guide there who could speak English.

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Postby CorruptUser » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:24 pm UTC

Actually it's a Big Deal to learn English in China. It's a status symbol, like owning a car or having a hot wife.

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Zohar wrote:And Chinese people are incapable of speaking English? Their tour guide, at the very least?

Correct, also noted in the original article.

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Postby elasto » Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:32 pm UTC

My kids went to ordinary state schools in China and were being taught English right from the start of kindergarten. It's ubiquitous.

(Though it was likely not nearly as common decades ago, when these tourists were at school...)

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Postby Zamfir » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:19 pm UTC

I(*) have been on the mirror side of this situation more than once. Some local starts a conversation, goes roughly like this (in a mixture of whatever gets the point across)

Where are you from?
Holland
The milk?
Yes, the milk
That book, that's your tour guide, right?
Yes
The book tells foreigners to go here?
Yes
Why?
(Across the language gap) Houses look nice, not like home

And the reaction shows the same mild disbelief as these Kidlingtoners show

(*) Well, my wife more than I. My Chinese ends at zai jian. I can help with pointing and nodding

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elasto wrote:My kids went to ordinary state schools in China and were being taught English right from the start of kindergarten. It's ubiquitous.

(Though it was likely not nearly as common decades ago, when these tourists were at school...)

Ubiquitous is not the same as fluent. The Japanese have been studying English for decades, but for most, it's just like high school Spanish class. You take it, might remember a few parts, and some conjugation. That's crap for having a conversation.

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Zamfir wrote:I(*) have been on the mirror side of this situation more than once. Some local starts a conversation, goes roughly like this (in a mixture of whatever gets the point across)

Where are you from?
Holland
The milk?
Yes, the milk
That book, that's your tour guide, right?
Yes
The book tells foreigners to go here?
Yes
Why?
(Across the language gap) Houses look nice, not like home

And the reaction shows the same mild disbelief as these Kidlingtoners show

(*) Well, my wife more than I. My Chinese ends at zai jian. I can help with pointing and nodding


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"I fokk horses"
"Pardon?"
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Postby elasto » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:09 am UTC

sardia wrote:Ubiquitous is not the same as fluent. The Japanese have been studying English for decades, but for most, it's just like high school Spanish class. You take it, might remember a few parts, and some conjugation. That's crap for having a conversation.

The difference is that English is the Lingua Franca of gaming and basically the whole net in general.

Take Spanish class in high school and when will you ever need to use it? Study English in high school as a foreigner and chances are most teenagers will be using it weekly if not daily.

(As I say, that isn't especially applicable to these presumably middle-aged tourists, but I thought I'd dispel the misconception none-the-less.)

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CorruptUser wrote:"What do you do for a living?"
"I fokk horses"
"Pardon?"
"Yes, Paarden".

Can someone explain this to me? Google Translate, the only way we true Americans can understand other languages, was useless.
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jewish_scientist wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:"What do you do for a living?"
"I fokk horses"
"Pardon?"
"Yes, Paarden".

Can someone explain this to me? Google Translate, the only way we true Americans can understand other languages, was useless.

Google Translate was able to figure it out for me...

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Postby CorruptUser » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:32 pm UTC

The Dutch word for horses is "Paarden" and the word for breeder is "Fokker". Yes, this is etymologically related to "fuck", but in English we substituted the word "husband" (aka, animal husbandry) for "fokker", because when the Normans took over the French/Latin words were the "polite" words while the Germanic words were "vulgar", and many Latin euphemisms displaced the actual words. E.g., "penis" (tail) displaced "pizzle", "vagina" (sheath) displaced "cunt".

Oddly, this means that the proper word for "baby-daddy" is "husband".

It's an old classic joke involving confusion with the Dutch, which I assumed Zamfir was, so I thought he'd appreciate it.

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sardia wrote:
elasto wrote:My kids went to ordinary state schools in China and were being taught English right from the start of kindergarten. It's ubiquitous.

(Though it was likely not nearly as common decades ago, when these tourists were at school...)

Ubiquitous is not the same as fluent. The Japanese have been studying English for decades, but for most, it's just like high school Spanish class. You take it, might remember a few parts, and some conjugation. That's crap for having a conversation.

The thing is. You don't learn a foreign language in school. School can teach you the basics, and is also important in teaching you the formal rules, but to really learn a language requires exposure.

The reason we Dutch speak English so well is constant exposure via tv, movies, the internet. At university most of your books and many of your classes will be in English (ironically, poor English skills among academic staff is a recurring problem. Some lectures are given in English so poor that even the foreign students would prefer Dutch.). At many jobs a lot of communication will be in English.

In a country like France all movies and TV are dubbed. Internet too is much more local, and often in French. Their formal English education in high school is pretty decent, but not having that constant exposure is just a huge disadvantage. So the English of most French people is poor at best.
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Diadem wrote:The thing is. You don't learn a foreign language in school. School can teach you the basics, and is also important in teaching you the formal rules, but to really learn a language requires exposure.

Somewhat true - but at age 2 my kid was obviously not being taught any formal rules. Everything at that age counts as 'exposure'. Mostly I was sharing the anecdote to dispel the myth that it's only the Indian culture that values knowing English.

I was amazed to see it but really I shouldn't have been; At that age kids learn languages literally effortlessly. What ought to amaze me more is how little we in the West take advantage of such sponge-like learning capability during early childhood...

The reason we Dutch speak English so well is constant exposure via tv, movies, the internet.

I didn't go to the movies very much, but when I went to see a Hollywood blockbuster it was subtitled not dubbed, so the locals would have been exposed to English once again. I watched Chinese tv even more rarely, but even there I caught the odd undubbed movie.

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Except I've watched plenty of subtitled Japanese movies/shows, and all I've learned is that "HAI!" means "Yes sir/affirmative". That and "Battaru Royaru" is "battle royale".

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CorruptUser wrote:Except I've watched plenty of subtitled Japanese movies/shows, and all I've learned is that "HAI!" means "Yes sir/affirmative". That and "Battaru Royaru" is "battle royale".

Eventually you pick up catch phrases but that just makes you look like a total otaku.

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sardia wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:Except I've watched plenty of subtitled Japanese movies/shows, and all I've learned is that "HAI!" means "Yes sir/affirmative". That and "Battaru Royaru" is "battle royale".

Eventually you pick up catch phrases but that just makes you look like a total otaku.

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Postby Deva » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:04 am UTC

Will add more. Tended to be common and isolated.
(Edit: Became longer. Spoilered it.)
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- Nippon/Nihon: Japan.
- Daijoubu? Asks if they are okay. (Appears in answers sometimes too.)
- Genki. Relates to being well and energetic. (See above.)
- Kami-sama: God (or any god).
- Tomodachi: Friend.
- Itadakimasu: Thank you for the food.
- Ohayou: Good morning. (Informal, apparently.)
- Matsuri: Festival.
- Mahou: Magic.
- Tenshi: Angel.
- Oni: Demon.
- Yume: Dream.
- Tousan: Father.
- Kaasan: Mother.
(Felt uncertain about Niisan (Brother) and Neesan (Sister)
- Sensei: Teacher.
- Neko: Cat.
- Shine: Die (imperative).

Note: Definitely looked up spellings.

Cannot string a sentence together, however.
Changes its form depending on the observer.

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Postby jewish_scientist » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:46 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Being unsure whether or not this warrants it's own topic (I can't actually believe it's true...), but

Jerusalem rabbis 'condemn dog to death by stoning'
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A Jewish rabbinical court condemned to death by stoning a stray dog it feared was the reincarnation of a lawyer who insulted its judges, reports say.

The dog entered the Jerusalem financial court several weeks ago and would not leave, reports Israeli website Ynet.

It reminded a judge of a curse passed on a now deceased secular lawyer about 20 years ago, when judges bid his spirit to enter the body of a dog.

The animal is said to have escaped before the sentence was carried out.

One of the judges at the court in the city's ultra-Orthodox Mea Shearim neighbourhood had reportedly asked local children to carry out the sentence.

An animal welfare organisation filed a complaint with the police against a court official, who denied reports that judges had ordered the dog's stoning, according to Ynet.

But a court manager told Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot the stoning had been ordered as "as an appropriate way to 'get back at' the spirit which entered the poor dog", according to Ynet.

Dogs are considered impure animals in traditional Judaism.

The BBC just issued a retraction because their source's source admitted it was wrong.

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CorruptUser wrote:"What do you do for a living?"
"I fokk horses"
"Pardon?"
"Yes, Paarden".

Can someone explain this to me? Google Translate, the only way we true Americans can understand other languages, was useless.

Google Translate was able to figure it out for me...

I had it set on Chinese instead of Detect Languages. Oops.
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Postby Angua » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:09 pm UTC

jewish_scientist wrote:The BBC just issued a retraction because their source's source admitted it was wrong.

Just? That retraction was in 2011.

I had completely forgotten about this story, but good to know it wasn't true.
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Postby Sableagle » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:10 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Except I've watched plenty of subtitled Japanese movies/shows, and all I've learned is that "HAI!" means "Yes sir/affirmative". That and "Battaru Royaru" is "battle royale".

Hai = yes
Iye = no
Wakarimasu = I understand
Konichi-wa = hello
Sayonara = goodbye
Arigato = thankyou
Domo arigato = thankyou very much
Gaijin = foreigner
Bo = staff
Ken = sword
Boken = wooden sword
Kara = empty
Karaoke = empty orchestra
Karate = empty hand
Shin Reppuzan = true gale slash

That last one's very important in one specific anime series.
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby PeteP » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:06 pm UTC

No "keikaku means plan"?

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:17 pm UTC

Well, if we add in DBZ, I guess I've learned...

-son - (honorific)
caccarot - carrot
vegeta - vegetable
buruma - bloomers
gohan - small meal
frieza - freezer
raditz - radish
kame - turtle

And I think "go-" just means small anything, really.


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