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Postby jseah » Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:05 pm UTC

He didn't have to pay for a drug trial (double-blind study), but if the production plant was not the original manufacturer's, it would have required a bunch of studies and trials (including time-consuming stability studies and expensive bio-equivalency tests).

If he bought a operating manufacturing plant, said costs would have been factored into its sale price.


On the other hand, the compounding manufacturer doesn't produce the active ingredient. They just make the formulation after buying the ingredients, and in small batches. The article mentioned that they aren't required to go through FDA approval for each batch (although FDA likely still inspects their records and plant for cGMP and pharmacopeia adherence). That means no equivalency trials, no stability studies, at most having final product testing.
Of course, they can't produce large batches (or they turn into a manufacturer), so other costs probably don't scale so well.

But yes, undercutting greedy manufacturers? Sounds like a good thing to happen.
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Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:46 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Remember that story a few weeks ago where a drug company was called out for raising the price of a no-longer-patented medication from $13.50/dose to $750/dose? Apparently a competitor has decided to pick up the same drug, priced at $1 per dose


Market works as normal, *yawn*.

Yeah, price inflation that dramatic and publicized is *going* to attract attention. He probably hadn't assumed it would blow up this big, and he could rake in money until folks realized but...well, that kind of jump is attention grabbing.

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Postby Chen » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:33 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Market works as normal, *yawn*.

Yeah, price inflation that dramatic and publicized is *going* to attract attention. He probably hadn't assumed it would blow up this big, and he could rake in money until folks realized but...well, that kind of jump is attention grabbing.


Similarly I can't imagine the $1 per dose thing is pure altruism. I'm sure they're quite pleased with the amount of media attention they're now getting.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:45 pm UTC

Oh of course. It's best to assume absolutely no altruism at all, IMO. Generally more accurate.

This way, they end up with a smashing amount of publicity and grab a market. Win/win.

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Postby commodorejohn » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:03 pm UTC

Yes, it's definitely less a case of a magical Christmas miracle and more a case of one company cleverly stepping in to exploit the colossally stupid move of a competitor.

Doesn't make it any less satisfying, though :)
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Postby CorruptUser » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:36 am UTC

I hope they do this for every drug the guy manufactures and every single wholesaler refuser to purchase from him, bankrupting him. "Skreli" will be the new "boycott". Fun fact; "Boycott" was the last name of an utter dick in Ireland during a famine. So terrible that everyone refused to do business with him and his name became the word...

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Postby Chen » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:30 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I hope they do this for every drug the guy manufactures and every single wholesaler refuser to purchase from him, bankrupting him. "Skreli" will be the new "boycott". Fun fact; "Boycott" was the last name of an utter dick in Ireland during a famine. So terrible that everyone refused to do business with him and his name became the word...


This drug is pretty rarely used. I presume most of the other drugs that company manufactures can't be undercut nearly as easily.

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Postby Mambrino » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:41 am UTC

Something uplifting (if not a 'humorous news item'):

Apparently no casualties reported so far in the Mexico hurricane

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Postby sardia » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:41 pm UTC

Mambrino wrote:Something uplifting (if not a 'humorous news item'):

Apparently no casualties reported so far in the Mexico hurricane

I'll help. Did you know that female hurricanes are deadlier because people don't think they are as scary as male hurricane names. Meaning they are less likely to heed evacuation warnings.

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Postby CorruptUser » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:21 pm UTC

So you are saying that Katrina killed more sexists than the average...

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Postby sardia » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:25 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:So you are saying that Katrina killed more sexists than the average...

By sexists, you mean anyone who's incorporated societal norms into their behaviors, which is everyone, then yes.

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Postby CorruptUser » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:55 pm UTC

If the average is 100%, then by definition Katrina could not kill above the average.

But you are ignoring that sexism is a spectrum of sorts. There's a vast difference between slight bias and outright misogyny.

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Postby sardia » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:16 pm UTC

Wait, you were the one ignoring that sexism is a spectrum. You should clarify what you're saying. If you split hurricanes into two groups, female vs male storms, female storms are deadlier. Why? Possible correlation leads to theory that female names are taken less seriously. Good test, change all names to males, and see if more people evacuate or prep for the storm. The death rate should be lower.

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CorruptUser wrote:If the average is 100%, then by definition Katrina could not kill above the average.

But you are ignoring that sexism is a spectrum of sorts. There's a vast difference between slight bias and outright misogyny.
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Sure it could. Say a population will die if they stay in flood waters. And we have 2 storms, katrina and john. In storm john, everyone evacuates and nobody dies. In Katrina, sexism response kicks in, and nobody evacuates. Everyone dies. Add the 2 storms together, and they have an average death of 50 each.

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Postby ObsessoMom » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:11 pm UTC

It won't take long before someone says, "Evacuate for Hurricane Colin? Meh, I heard on the news that female-named storms are deadlier, so I'm stayin' put."

By the way, here's a link to the article I first saw on this, last year:
Female-named hurricanes kill more than male hurricanes because people don’t respect them, study finds

And a response I found interesting [spoilered in case no one else finds it interesting]:

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Female named storms have statistically been LESS powerful based on known severity ratings at the time of the storm - category rating and maximum wind speed. So, it would make sense that that category of storms would not receive as much attention - gender name aside.

Since 1979, based on category rating and maximum wind speed, the female named hurricanes averaged out at Category 1.97 with an average wind speed of 87.07 and male named hurricanes averaged out at Category 2 with an average wind speed of 88.7. So, the female named storms were less powerful in terms of normally "declared" storm severity measurements at the time of the storm, and correspondingly be of less concern on average.

Put another way, by removing gender and substituting average severity, the title of the original story could have been "People tend to pay less attention to less powerful storms". The fact that the female named storms ended up causing more damage isn't relevant to the alerts and attention paid to the alerts at the time of the storm.
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Postby Mutex » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:17 pm UTC

"Hurricane Alex? Umm..."

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Postby ObsessoMom » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:23 pm UTC

Well, yeah, Sandy too. (Also a nickname for Alexander.)

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Postby Chen » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:43 pm UTC

Slate had an article that showed some flaws in that study a while ago:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... _fast.html

The fact that hurricanes were ONLY named after women pre 1979, yet they used data from 1950-2012 seems particularly problematic.

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Postby WilliamLehnsherr » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:14 am UTC



The weather's turning into the mafia it seems, killing those who don't show enough respect.

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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:40 am UTC

sardia wrote:Wait, you were the one ignoring that sexism is a spectrum. You should clarify what you're saying. If you split hurricanes into two groups, female vs male storms, female storms are deadlier. Why? Possible correlation leads to theory that female names are taken less seriously. Good test, change all names to males, and see if more people evacuate or prep for the storm. The death rate should be lower.

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CorruptUser wrote:If the average is 100%, then by definition Katrina could not kill above the average.

But you are ignoring that sexism is a spectrum of sorts. There's a vast difference between slight bias and outright misogyny.
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Sure it could. Say a population will die if they stay in flood waters. And we have 2 storms, katrina and john. In storm john, everyone evacuates and nobody dies. In Katrina, sexism response kicks in, and nobody evacuates. Everyone dies. Add the 2 storms together, and they have an average death of 50 each.


I think we are talking past each other. If 100% of people are sexist.

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Postby Grop » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:11 pm UTC

Then sexists == people, and Katrina killed more people than average hurricanes.

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Postby Quercus » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:26 pm UTC

WilliamLehnsherr wrote:The weather's turning into the mafia it seems, killing those who don't show enough respect.


It has been ever thus. Respect the weather, and you, for example, make sure you have a plan in place for evacuating/sheltering and implement it at an appropriate time. And in other contexts, you might choose not to go hiking if a bad storm is forecast, or you make sure you always take a map and compass in case of fog. Respecting the weather is important. As a sailor, a hiker and a trainee glider pilot I have seen (thankfully not first hand) that the weather can kill suddenly and capriciously and does not care overmuch for human lives.

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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:40 pm UTC

Nono, I mean "of the people killed, a higher percentage were sexist".

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Postby Grop » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:43 pm UTC

Then Sardia may have parsed your sentence the way I did.

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Postby Sizik » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:01 pm UTC

Injured deer walks in to emergency room.

ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) - A deer apparently hit by a car had to be put down after it wandered into the emergency department at a Rochester hospital.
Hospital officials say the deer walked through the automatic doors at the entrance to Strong Memorial Hospital's emergency room late Monday afternoon. Officials say the deer made it about 20 feet down a corridor before staff members corralled the animal.
The Monroe County Sheriff's Office says two deputies happened to be at the hospital when the injured deer wandered in. They and hospital public safety officers strapped the deer to a gurney and wheeled it out to the parking lot.
One of the deputies put down the deer.
No one at the hospital was hurt.
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Postby commodorejohn » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:48 pm UTC

Well, so much for "first, do no harm!"
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Postby Whizbang » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:59 pm UTC

Oh, deer.

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Postby speising » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:59 pm UTC

It probably didn't have insurance.

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Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:22 pm UTC

speising wrote:It probably didn't have insurance.


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Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:12 pm UTC

http://optoutside.rei.com/

REI really should have made it #TakeAHike instead. I guess #OptOutside is a more positive message... but I think the obvious pun is funnier.

In any case, REI (an outdoor recreation company based in America) is closing on Black Friday. Probably one of the more brilliant marketing campaigns in a while... IMO anyway.
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Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:05 pm UTC

10,000 Paintings per year per artist. One look at the 'Art Factory' city of Dafen in China.

Although Dafen painters do work on "assembly lines" on occasion, the norm seems to be the typical artistry you see in most places. Except at a much cheaper price. Here's a picture of one assembly line setup.

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Apparently, a good chunk of the blogpost is disagreeing with a book called "Van Gogh on Demand". In any case, a look into the Dafen workers, one city of China, proved eye opening to me. So I enjoyed the blogpost.
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Postby Felstaff » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:22 am UTC

That's simply inhumane.

Who'd ever frame that ghastly thing on their wall?
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Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:21 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:http://optoutside.rei.com/

REI really should have made it #TakeAHike instead. I guess #OptOutside is a more positive message... but I think the obvious pun is funnier.

In any case, REI (an outdoor recreation company based in America) is closing on Black Friday. Probably one of the more brilliant marketing campaigns in a while... IMO anyway.


*shrug* It's interesting. I don't know that it'll be successful. Black friday exists for pretty solid business reasons, and REI is, if memory serves, one of those companies that hovers between 0 and 2 percent profit.

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Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:34 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:*shrug* It's interesting. I don't know that it'll be successful. Black friday exists for pretty solid business reasons, and REI is, if memory serves, one of those companies that hovers between 0 and 2 percent profit.


Note that REI's shareholders are their consumers. Unlike your typical company, they aren't actually in it to make money... as any profits are redistributed back to their members / customers anyway. Talking about "profit margins" really doesn't make sense when your corporate structure is a coop.
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Postby Mutex » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:51 pm UTC

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... pean-union

European Parliament just voted to call on all EU states to grant asylum to Edward Snowden, and guarantee he won't be extradited to the US.

The European Parliament has called on EU member states to drop all criminal charges against Edward Snowden and protect him against extradition to the United States.

MEPs voted 285 votes to 281 in favour of a resolution that the NSA whistleblower should be allowed to seek safe asylum in the EU.

The resolution, which isn't binding, is nonetheless a strong signal from MEP's that EU member states should grant Snowden protection. MEPs voting in favour of the measures described Snowden as a "human rights defender" and urged member states to "drop any criminal charges" against him.

Member states should "grant him protection and consequently prevent extradition or rendition by third parties, in recognition of his status as whistle-blower and international human rights defender", according to MEPs who votes in favour. All EU member states have existing extradition treaties with the United States and it remains to be seen if any nation would be willing to waive such an agreement.

Wolfgang Kaleck, Snowden's lawyer in Berlin, said his client welcomed the move. "It is an overdue step and we urge the member States to act now to implement the resolution," he wrote in an email to the Daily Dot.

On Twitter, Snowden said the vote was a "game-changer".

"This is not a blow against the US Government, but an open hand extended by friends. It is a chance to move forward," he tweeted.

The former NSA contractor has been living in exile in Moscow since June 2013, having fled there from Hong Kong.

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Postby eran_rathan » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:51 pm UTC

285 to 281 is not exactly what I would call ringing endorsement.
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Postby CorruptUser » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:11 pm UTC

And wasn't what he did treason? I mean, giving diplomatic cables to the Russians is treason, but is making them public for everyone treason?

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Postby Thesh » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:21 pm UTC

Depends on your definition of treason. Under the law, probably, but overall I'd say he better fits the definition of a whistle blower. That is, what he did was to expose wrongdoing by the government to the people. Of course, it's a matter of perspective; if you agree with what the government was doing, perhaps you might consider it treason instead of whistle blowing.
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Postby KrytenKoro » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:29 pm UTC

Plus, the consideration that treason isn't fundamentally immoral.

Politicians just have a lot at stake in convincing us that it is.
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Postby speising » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:56 pm UTC

wikipedia wrote:Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavor.

I don't see Snowden's actions fitting any of this. He didn't help a foreign nation, and didn't want to overthrow the government, he just exposed untoward behaviour by the government, which really is rather patriotic. (If you consider patriotism to be for a nation and it's people, not governmental organizations)

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Postby LaserGuy » Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:22 pm UTC

I believe they were planning on trying him for espionage.


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