British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby davidstarlingm » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:56 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
Zarq wrote:
davidstarlingm wrote:Yeah, the definition is the tricky part. Do websites self-select? No one would. Does the ISP scroll through every page on the internet and rate it on the basis of how porny it is?
"Pornography filters used by major internet service providers are blocking websites offering sex education and advice on sexual health and porn addiction, the BBC has learned."
shocking.

No one are surprise.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby elasto » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:40 pm UTC

All a total non-story as far as I can see.

Looks to me like every household will be asked if they want the filter on or off. So it doesn't really default either way. And the householder will decide by clicking a button on a webpage, so it's not like there's an embarrassing phone conversation or anything.

And these filters have been available for years. And it's well-known to anyone showing the slightest interest that they are not perfect. By being in wider use most likely mistakes will get picked up on much quicker than before. Those sex-ed sites were probably *always* incorrectly blocked.

Yes, the next gen will always run rings around their elders - but what this will do is reduce the incidence of young kids (say 8-11yo) accidentally happening across the worst examples. I shall certainly make use of some form of Net-Nanny when my kids are of that age.

Once they are tech-savvy enough to circumvent the filter (12yo+) they're old enough to be able to cope with what they see - so it's no biggie if they do. Gotta grow up sometime.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby sardia » Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:45 pm UTC

Isn't the purpose of the opt/in-out to reduce/enhance enrollment? Like 401ks, more people will leave stuff at the status quo rather than spend energy changing it.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby WaterToFire » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:12 pm UTC

It's been implemented.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:30 pm UTC

Does Britain think George Orwell was an optimist or something? I mean, this is exactly the sort of thing virtually all British horror novels/movies warn us about.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby The Geoff » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:31 pm UTC

From a BT customer in the UK:

I've seen no filter whatsoever. I believe this is being rolled out to new customers only (and only with the 4 biggest ISPs), with it becoming available to people like me at a later date. Whether "available" means opt-in (fine) or opt-out (which I think would be a breach of contract) remains to be seen.

It's not just a porn filter, it can block multiple categories, including social networking sites, sports sites, video sites - virtually every post in this thread refers to porn, but it's far more wide-reaching than that. In principle, it's actually far more useful than a simple porn blocker.

There have been multiple stories of various parts of gov.uk being blocked, and also the personal websites of several MPs including those who pushed it through. I can't confirm any of this because I don't have the filter.

Myself and a few others have been pushing BT to provide a method of checking which sites are blocked and why (I run multiple websites, so it'd be useful), but the stock reply so far has been "we cannot do this as the service is provided by a third-party" who they refuse to name.

I see no harm in a billpayer-activated filter if people want it, as long as it's an opt-in service that's properly anonymized and it's made clear that it's only a crude way of preventing unsuitable content which will always be flawed at some level. We are, however, seeing more and more attempts by the government to try and grasp some sort of control over the internet. This is the aspect I find troubling - mostly because it's like hearing our politicians seriously discussing how they're going to turn the moon inside out, it's smacks of "not even understanding the problem you're trying to solve".

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Tyndmyr » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:38 pm UTC

davidstarlingm wrote:Yeah, the definition is the tricky part. Do websites self-select? No one would. Does the ISP scroll through every page on the internet and rate it on the basis of how porny it is?


Best. Job. Ever.

No wait...pretty sure I meant worst.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Clix » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:05 am UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Best. Job. Ever.

No wait...pretty sure I meant worst.


I think your second thought is correct. According to this NPR story "Content Moderators" may have a price to pay down the road.

It's exacting a toll on these workers, and because this industry is so new and the need for this work is so new, I think the jury is out as to what the real implications are going to be for these people later on in their life
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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Angua » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:52 pm UTC

Semi-related:

Children can bypass internet filters.

What a surprise.
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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:25 pm UTC

I bypassed all those super-easy when I was a kid, and now that I am looking into filters and software controls for my OWN kids, I'm realizing... they're actually easier.

20 years of software development, and I'm glad we've somehow managed to move backwards.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Yoshisummons » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:58 pm UTC

Doesn't the statistic of 83% of the kids knowing how to protect themselves on the internet already show that parents have done at the very least a decent job of teaching their kids to be responsible about the internet?
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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Chen » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:29 pm UTC

Yoshisummons wrote:Doesn't the statistic of 83% of the kids knowing how to protect themselves on the internet already show that parents have done at the very least a decent job of teaching their kids to be responsible about the internet?


It says 83% of the 8 to 11 year olds SAID they knew how to protect themselves on the internet. It's like those studies that showed something like 70% of drivers think they are above average.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby Yoshisummons » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:56 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
Yoshisummons wrote:Doesn't the statistic of 83% of the kids knowing how to protect themselves on the internet already show that parents have done at the very least a decent job of teaching their kids to be responsible about the internet?


It says 83% of the 8 to 11 year olds SAID they knew how to protect themselves on the internet. It's like those studies that showed something like 70% of drivers think they are above average.

Yea I admit I was assuming that they had taken some kind of methodology in establishing that the kids actually took some amount of precautions. On page 39 of he report it shows that 88-94% of 9-15 aged kids remember receiving any advice on how staying safe. Primarily from teachers at 67-79%, parents at 61-69%, and close family members at 10%. So they sort of know some stuff but from the stats in the social networking section they tend to follow the barebones(only around 20% leave social profiles visible to people not known previously). I don't know how the education is over there in the UK but when I was in public school in central Ohio only the most proactive teachers would take time away to talk about that stuff and he taught most of the comp classes like computer animation(before it got cut the next year of course).
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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby CannedCourage » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:31 am UTC

elasto wrote:And these filters have been available for years. And it's well-known to anyone showing the slightest interest that they are not perfect. By being in wider use most likely mistakes will get picked up on much quicker than before. Those sex-ed sites were probably *always* incorrectly blocked.


Isn't it the position of the government and BT that sites for such things as sexual education are in fact an intended target of the filter?

Or is that just some savvy observer reading between the lines of their stated position?

In any case, it is very troubling.

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Re: British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby eSOANEM » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:20 pm UTC

IIRC BT listed sex education as one particular group of websites which could be blocked (although I expect there are also some sex ed sites down on the porn list for purely accidental reasons). :roll:
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