SecondTalon wrote:Starting a discussion on religion with the basis being that it's quackery is.. not exactly respectful.
Why should you be respectful towards it?
SecondTalon wrote:It's mostly a matter of respect. Yes, there's lots of people who believe in abso-fucking-stupid things. If you're going to have a discussion with them, you probably shouldn't start with "You're an idiot, and I'll tell you why..."
He doesn't do that though. He doesn't say "you're an idiot" outright to people he just met. He really doesn't. He treats religious people with respect. He doesn't treat their beliefs with respect...because why would you?
What he does do, however, is call out people on their bullshit. People...apparently including you...automatically assume that because he's blunt means he's disrespectful towards people. He's not. Have you seen his debates, read his books? He has a good temper. He gets upset, but he doesn't just outright insult the religious people themselves. He calls their beliefs stupid while , which is 100% acceptable and awesome. We should question all beliefs, as long as we have evidence to back it up, and we are intellectually honest. Something which Christianity as a whole is not.
SecondTalon wrote:But yeah, that's why I think he's an ass. A lot of what I've read from him, quotations and the like, all seem to have an undercurrent of "hurr religious people r dum let's throw rocks lol"
Well maybe you should actually read some of his books and try to understand him? He doesn't think religious people are stupid...he thinks that humanity has been held captive by religion. Just like how we all know that Scientology is stupid, but we don't call Scientologists stupid...they were taken advantage of. And how do you discourage people from joining a cult like Scientology? How do you get people to leave? You point out the illogic of it, and you do not give it any creedence or respect at all. How do you treat mentally ill people with cognitive therapy? You don't insult the victim...you teach the victim how to fight his captor (the illness). Giving any sort of respect to the religion itself (saying, "I respect your beliefs, but") only reinforces the tolerance of harmful religions. I mean, would you really say that to a person on the fence about joining a cult? "I really don't think you should give live in a commune in Argentina...but I respect your beliefs!"
He's telling it like it is, and is working to solve large problems in the world. Being honest while trying to solve a problem doesn't make you an asshole. Basic Human Decency only enables cults and harmful belief systems.