aleflamedyud wrote:No, jackass, I'm pledging a fight to the end to defend a well-established principle of American freedom of expression.
Look, fucktard, your moronic support of this genocidal loon is self-destructive enough without the random insults. Bitch and curse as you will, murdering babies because they are non-Jews is not "freedom of expression" and tax-exemptions are not owed to people who advocate mass murder. Not funding something does not infringe on "freedom of expression" in any case.
I don't like what Yitzhak Shapira has to say
How nice. I almost believe you.
Which would become relevant, since raising money for terrorism is a criminal matter rather than a civil one.
Look at what you wrote. You claimed this issue could only be settled by a civil action (false) and such an action would fail because of "innocent until proven guilty." That's two basic legal mistakes.
Given that there is already a campaign under way by at least two people, Gideon Levy and Akiva Eldar, with the support of the Palestinian advocacy movement and parts of the Israeli far-left, to strip Jewish right-wing charities of their tax-exempt status, I would not call such legal battles elaborate fantasies. This is something that people actually are working for right now, since they do not have the same standards for freedom of expression as Americans and/or believe that Jewish right-wing organizations are essentially terrorists.
Yet what you presented was an elaborate fantasy, since you assigned this project to me, when I'd said nothing of the kind, and then predicted I'd attack Jewish influence on the legal system -- again, totally baseless and related to nothing. Again, if you throw these racist ideas out into conversations apropos of nothing, it's trolling. I'm not going to engage it further, but I will report it.
From the grab bag of straw men (various artists):
If all Israelis (or even the "religious leadership" of Israel) is to be conflated with one rabbi, I hate to think what this preacher's words say about Egyptians:
Except neither the all Israeli nor the "religious leadership" were conflated with the two rabbis mentioned by name. Just didn't happen. The only one who made a blanket "all Jews" statement was aleflamedyud, who predicted that every American Jew would rise as one to defend these rabbis.
Uh whats the issue here? Individuals, abiding by the laws of their country with respect to tax-deductible donations, are giving money to someone you don't like?
That's right: it's just my personal prejudice, not wanting my government's money to go to people advocating mass murder and boosting about attacking civilians.
For someone who states they are not an anti-semite its kind of strange how everything you post, despite it probably being a generalized problem, always focuses on Israel doing it...
To construct this straw man, you have to ignore all the posts I make on climate issues, health and medicine, etc. It also includes the standard boilerplate lie that critics of Israelis or Zionism must be anti-Semites -- who wouldn't love a great bunch of guys like this, unless they were prejudiced against Jews as a group?
This post belongs in the "Flamebait" section of the fora, not N&A. I'm starting to get sick of seeing racist propaganda masquerading as flamebait masquerading as news around here. We get that you don't agree with this guy, and I personally don't agree with him either, but you're using it as a springboard to other conclusions.
Another allegation of racism with nothing to support it. Now an article in Ha'Aretz, Israel's New York Times, is "racist propaganda." No. And the straw man has evidently reached "other conclusions" which you don't describe and can't connect to anything I wrote, since nothing I wrote reaches any sweeping conclusions -- I presented the article, was critic of these rabbis, and that's it.
I don't know why this is even sparking discussion. You do know that you're singling out one, maybe two rabbis. Both of whom belong to the same institution. Do you how many such institutions there are in Israel? do you know how many rabbis are currently employed in these institutions? Do you even know how insanely diverse the "Jewish right-wing" really is?
It was aleflamedyud, not me, who associated these rabbis with the Jewish right wing (in order to argue that an attack on them was an attack on all right-wingers). I never said anything of the kind.
You realize that you're saying: My professor is a militant liberal fanatic; We should stop stop paying for public universities!
Again, it was aleflamedyud who argued (falsely) that the only way to stop paying for this fanatic was to cut off support to all religious charities. I didn't propose that. It's not necessary.
Oh, and has this even happened? Has there been even one case of a "depraved right-wing fanatic" who went and killed a gentile child because he would grow to be as evil as his parents? I mean, aside from your personal bias that every IDF soldier does this on a daily basis. Can you find me one case where this has happened?
"I knew Yaakov Teitel. . . . Twenty years ago we were together at a yeshiva in Jerusalem. Afterward he helped me a little with my computer. I taught him a little Hebrew. I was in his house. He's nice, helpful. Generous.
Yaakov Teitel, who was arrested last month for suspected murder and a string of alleged murder attempts, was born in Florida in November 1972, the son of Mordehai (Mark) and Devorah (Dianne), American ultra-Orthodox Jews.
Dozens of other examples available on request. It's amusing that people express such ignorance of the apparatus of Jewish terrorism and religious extremism and in the same breath say "Where is the story here?"
"Reasonable – that is, human – men will always be capable of compromise, but men who have dehumanized themselves by becoming the blind worshipers of an idea or an ideal are fanatics whose devotion to abstractions makes them the enemies of life."
-- Alan Watts, "The Way of Zen"