TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:Actually, the World Profissional Association for Transgender Health's Standards of Care (WPATH-SOC) suggest that very few gender-questioning children identify as transgender in the long run.¹
iirc, the standards are largely based off Zucker's (it's considered polite to spit after his name is mentioned) studies into it, in which he largely determined that most (>80%) trans-identifying children 'change their minds' as they age. But, and it's a big but, he also dismissively mentions that it's almost entirely children that are asked if they think they should have been born the other gender that end up 'retracting' their opinions (e.g. a tomboy who likes cars, baseball, and climbing trees, if asked "would you like to be a boy?" will most likely grow up to self-identify as a girl, perhaps just not a 'classically feminine' girl), whereas children that approach their parents/counselors and say "I need to be a girl/boy" are very likely actually transgendered.
In true Zucker form, he then lumps them together and states that children usually regret their decision later in life, completely dismissing the findings that don't agree with his point of view.
damn it, Hated, I'm kinda tempted to just reply with "No." due to exactly how wrong your post is, but I suppose we can work through it instead.
Hated wrote:I dont feel good about supporting a dramatic change to this kids netherregions until he's a legal adult.
Despite The Sun's excellent reporting, they've managed to be quite misleading; "He is preparing for sex-swap surgery." is more than just insulting, it's also incorrect, she is preparing for something that is still several years off.
The WPATH Standards of Care (SoC, which are the "golden standard", and more or less all doctors in first world countries adhere to them) suggest that Any surgical intervention should not be carried out prior to adulthood [...] The threshold of 18 should be seen as an eligibility criterion, and thus in most cases (excluding some instances where surgery is performed early to avert the possibility of self harm) anyone getting surgery will be a 'legal adult'.
You're also making a really, really common blunder here in putting too much weight on something that, statistically, well over 99.9% of the planet is never going to see, touch, or in any way interact with. If you want to self-identify as male simply because you were born with a specific appendage (and I'm assuming you're male here because of your post and tone; it's kind of a guy thing to fixate on the penis), that's fine, but you have absolutely no reason or right to force your opinion on her.
Hated wrote:No matter how pro-getting-to-choose-what-gender/societal-role you might be, can't anyone see the problem with parents letting a 12 year old child making this decision?
In a word? No.
- The two most common ages at which people begin to recognize their gender dysphoria are 4-6, and the start of their (and their friends) puberty.
- Assuming the parents know their child at all, they should be able to discern the difference between "I want to be a firefighter!" and something with actual importance behind it. Yes, children are prone to say "I want X", they're not prone to say "I want X" and then enter a lifelong depressed slump if they're unable to get it. This is really no different from a parent recognizing that their child enjoys playing the piano and has talent, and spending thousands of dollars on a piano and lessons for someone who is obviously not a legal adult, yet for some reason parents making a similar choice to listen to their child are somehow in the wrong.
- Even if you really, truly believe that she shouldn't be capable of making any decisions until an arbitrary date, the SoC suggests that Adolescents may be eligible for puberty-delaying hormones as soon as pubertal changes have begun. In other words, she's not making a permanent decision yet, just delaying her natal puberty. If she continues to feel as she does, she'll be eligible to begin masculinizing or feminizing hormone therapy as early as age 16, and even after all that waiting, she still has a 3-6 month window before irreversible changes begin to occur.
Hated wrote:How many of you made permanant life altering decisions when you were twelve and continue to this day proud as Scappy that you made them?
Just to make sure I've driven this point home: it's not permanent (yet) and by the time it is, she'll be able to legally make decisions on her own. Without that, your point pretty much crumbles. Okay, sure, I'm sure it'd be a bit of egg on her face to say "whoops, I was just confused!"; the flipside is her taking another very, very common approach to transsexuality and waiting a few years and then killing herself. Given the relative rates of each (low, high) and the fact that the latter tends to have a more negative end result (notably, being dead), I think it's a pretty worthwhile risk.