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Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby une see » Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:43 pm UTC

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Cuba's Angel Matos deliberately kicked a referee square in the face after he was disqualified in a bronze-medal match, prompting the World Taekwondo Federation to recommend he be banned for life.

"We didn't expect anything like what you have witnessed to occur," said WTF secretary general Yang Jin-suk. "I am at a loss for words."

Yang also recommended Matos' coach be banned.

Matos was winning 3-2, with 1:02 left in the second round, when he fell to the mat after being hit by his opponent, Kazakhstan's Arman Chilmanov. Matos was sitting there, awaiting medical attention, when he was disqualified for taking too much injury time. Fighters get one minute, and Matos was disqualified when his time ran out.

Matos angrily questioned the call, pushed a judge, then pushed and kicked referee Chakir Chelbat of Sweden, who will require stitches in his lip. Matos spat on the floor and was escorted out.

"This is an insult to the Olympic vision, an insult to the spirit of taekwondo and, in my opinion, an insult to mankind," Yang said.

Matos' coach was unapologetic.

"He was too strict," Leudis Gonzalez said, referring to the decision to disqualify Matos. Afterward, he charged the match was fixed, accusing the Kazakhs of offering him money.

Although the arena announcer said Matos and his coach were banned effective immediately, Yang said due process must be followed before officially banning the two.


What the hell is wrong with these people? First of all, at what point in this situation did this Matos guy think kicking the referee in the head would make him rescind his decision? Second, he and his coach didn't even apologize afterwards. That ref needed stitches for his injuries! I'm surprised Olympic officials didn't arrest Matos on the spot for attacking one of their own like that...What a disgrace this guy is. I certainly hope he and his coach do get banned for life from taekwondo. (Side note: I like how the World Taekwondo Federation's acronym is WTF. How apt.)

Anyways, here's a nicely-timed picture of Matos totally owning the ref (well, I guess he does have pretty good technique...):

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Woofsie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:03 am UTC

Well, to be fair, it does sound like the ref made a stupid decision.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Torvaun » Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:22 am UTC

I think everyone involved should just be grateful Matos doesn't do any of the shooting sports.
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby crowey » Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:02 am UTC

or a proper martial art :wink:

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Postby Torvaun » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:25 am UTC

*ex TKD student*
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby ishikiri » Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:13 am UTC

*went to one TKD lesson and thought it was hillarious*
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Torvaun » Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:24 am UTC

ishikiri wrote:*went to one TKD lesson and thought it was hillarious*

The lesson, or the article?
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Baka no Kami » Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:53 am UTC

Woofsie wrote:Well, to be fair, it does sound like the ref made a stupid decision.


How so? If the rules say that you get disqualified if you sit out more than a minute and you sit out longer than that it doesn't matter if the round ends in 2 seconds or 2 minutes, you still broke the rules.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:19 am UTC

Baka no Kami wrote:
Woofsie wrote:Well, to be fair, it does sound like the ref made a stupid decision.


How so? If the rules say that you get disqualified if you sit out more than a minute and you sit out longer than that it doesn't matter if the round ends in 2 seconds or 2 minutes, you still broke the rules.


The article seems to say that he sat out for that long because he was waiting for medical attention. It's hardly his fault he waited that long then.

Then again, if he's well enough to kick the ref in the face, he couldn't have needed it that badly.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Jesse » Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:32 am UTC

The rules are the rules, to bend them in one circumstance is not fair for others. Not to mention that his reaction means he deserves no sympathy.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Jack Saladin » Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:36 am UTC

The article seems to say that he sat out for that long because he was waiting for medical attention. It's hardly his fault he waited that long then.

... I'm assuming that's the point of the rule. If your injury requires that much medical treatment, you lose. Seems completely reasonable and in line with all other combat sports.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Woofsie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:44 am UTC

Well it says he was "awaiting" medical attention. To me that sounds like he hadn't recieved it yet and was waiting for the medic or whoever to get over to him. In that case it's definitely not his fault the medic was too slow.

Also, why the hell is his coach being banned?

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Quixotess » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:29 am UTC

Incidentally, did anyone else zero in on this?

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Jack Saladin » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:46 am UTC

Considering it was mentioned in the first post, I'm going to say... Yes.

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Postby Quixotess » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:55 am UTC

I am duly chastened and in the future will refrain from making posts at 5am.
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:26 am UTC

Jack Saladin wrote:
The article seems to say that he sat out for that long because he was waiting for medical attention. It's hardly his fault he waited that long then.

... I'm assuming that's the point of the rule. If your injury requires that much medical treatment, you lose. Seems completely reasonable and in line with all other combat sports.


While I agree with that, I was pretty much saying what Woofsie said.
I agree that he deserves no sympathy for how he reacted though, you'd expect at least some sort of restraint.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:39 am UTC

une see wrote:I certainly hope he and his coach do get banned for life from taekwondo.


Why the coach?
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby aahzbml » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:36 am UTC

Saw this. The offender blocks a kick with his foot, then limps away a few feet, drops down, and appears to be in significant pain. At this point he is winning 3/2 and there is 1:02 left in the round. He's down, waits probably 20 seconds for a doctor to arrive, all the while still appearing to be in significant pain. The clock winds down as the doctors are examining the foot. Upon using his 1 minute of down time, and being disqualified, he angrily leaps to his feat ("just kidding!") and starts yelling at the referee. He even kicks the guy (barely grazes him btw), with his 'injured' foot.

Clearly, his plan was to sit out the rest of the round to win by default, but he got caught. If he had started his injury time a few seconds later, it would have worked.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby EmptySet » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:54 am UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:
une see wrote:I certainly hope he and his coach do get banned for life from taekwondo.


Why the coach?


Because he attempted to justify the kicking of the ref, rather than condemning it, I believe. If a coach doesn't view such actions as unacceptable it's possible that other competitors he trains will also be inclined to such tantrums.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Baka no Kami » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:01 am UTC

aahzbml wrote:Saw this. The offender blocks a kick with his foot, then limps away a few feet, drops down, and appears to be in significant pain. At this point he is winning 3/2 and there is 1:02 left in the round. He's down, waits probably 20 seconds for a doctor to arrive, all the while still appearing to be in significant pain. The clock winds down as the doctors are examining the foot. Upon using his 1 minute of down time, and being disqualified, he angrily leaps to his feat ("just kidding!") and starts yelling at the referee. He even kicks the guy (barely grazes him btw), with his 'injured' foot.

Clearly, his plan was to sit out the rest of the round to win by default, but he got caught. If he had started his injury time a few seconds later, it would have worked.


I agree with this assessment. The match was 3/2 and the opponent almost tied it (a guess, I don't know how the scoring works) so he feigned to run down the clock and not risk another point. He either a) didn't see there was more than a minute left, or b) thought the ref would be lenient with the 2 seconds. The ref a) played it strictly by the rules, or b) figured out what was happening and decided not to be as lenient as he normally would have.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Azrael » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:30 pm UTC

Baka no Kami wrote:... and decided not to be as lenient as he normally would have.


There is no leniency in Olympic time keeping. Or in following the DQ rules to the letter. Seriously. There can't be, or every country would protest every medal decision ever.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby dobefan » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:58 am UTC

I have been in TKD and have seen more then one tournament.

I have never heard of a fighter receiving any medical treatment during a fight, but I have not see "professional" tournaments. It was my understanding that you continued the fight with what ever injuries you had or you forfeited, but I could be completely wrong.

What I do know is you get a point for knocking your opponent down, regardless of whether he blocked and took a knee. Also, I don't remember getting a minute, I remember 20 seconds and that's it. But then again, our instructor wouldn't call round, he would just tell the other guy to go ahead and attack if we didn't get up in 20.

Come to think of it, my instructor was kinda crazy...don't mind me at all then.

This guy was obviously trying to pull a fast one, and the couch obviously taught him how to do it, might have went over it real quick right before the match. Also, yeah the coach is reinforcing it.

Aahzbml, you actually saw a doctor arrive in the middle of a match... I gonna try and find a video of this somewhere. But yeah, a knock down is worth more then a kick to the head, which is worth more then a punch or kick to the body and the hit's don't count if you manage to block them (obviously). That's all I remember of the scoring.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:32 am UTC

dobefan wrote:I gonna try and find a video of this somewhere.

There's one at http://www.shooshtime.com/videos/29032_Cuban-Taekwondo-Olympian-Kicks-Referee-In-The-Face-For-DQ.html
But WARNING: PICTURES SURROUNDING THE VIDEO AT THAT URL ARE NSFW

I didn't come across anything that showed it at the same clarity and angle as the still pictures we've seen, though, unfortunately.
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Postby 22/7 » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:37 am UTC

Kudos to the ref for catching the guy. Too bad he also caught a foot to the face.
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Postby ian » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:52 am UTC

What an idiot (the guy not the ref)

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Postby ishikiri » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:22 am UTC

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The lesson, or the article?

The lesson. The whole obcession with head-kicking and confusion with whether or not they were allowed to punch.
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Lol, Castro's a funny guy.

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Postby Azrael » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:26 pm UTC

Terribly auto-translated, but it gets the point across. Links to content in Spanish are pretty useless to the vast majority of people capable of taking part in this discussion.

Ex- Cuban president Fidel Castro has blamed east Monday to the judges and “the Mafia” of the poor paper of the Cuban delegation in the Olympic Games of Beijing. Cuba finished the competition with two obtained gold medals in contrast to the nine four years ago in Athens. In addition, it augured that the appointment of London, in 2012, will be ballast by the “corruption, the “European chauvinism” and “racism”.

In a spread article the last dawn by average officials, the ex- agent chief executive justifies the aggression of the Cuban taekwondista Angel Valodia Matos and his trainer, suspended of by life of all the sport competitions after first he attacked to the referee after being disqualified in the fight by the bronze, category of 80 kilos, against kazajo Arman Chilmanov, and the trainer shouted that “the referee was bought”.

On Matos, it affirms that this one, “astonished by a decision that seemed totally unjust to him, protested and sent a kick against the referee. To its own trainer they had tried it to buy, was ready and indignant. It could not be contained ".

Castro also has accused the judges “to blatantly rob” the gold medal to three Cuban boxers. “I saw when the judges blatantly robbed the fights to them to two Cuban boxers in the semifinals. Ours they fought with dignity and valentía; they attacked constantly. They had hopes to win, in spite of the judges; but he was useless: they were condemned beforehand ", says Castro.

Cuba, whose athletes are not professional, gained five gold medals in boxing in Athens but no in Beijing. Three of golds of Athens deserted of Cuba and the quarter was expelled from the national equipment after trying without success to leave the island. “It has been criminal what they have done with our equipment of boxing”, has cried out. “In its fury, they left to Cuba without no gold medal in that discipline”.

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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:20 pm UTC

Potentially a better translation of the first paragraph:
The Cuban ex-president Fidel Castro has blamed this Monday the judges and "the mafia" of the poor role of the Cuban delegation in the Olympic Games of Peking. Cuba finished the competition with two golden medals in contrast with the nine obtained ones four years ago in Athens. Also, it augured that the appointment of London, in 2012, will turn out to be ballasted by the "corruption, the "European chauvinism" and the "racism".


(I could translate myself for better results, but I'm lazy. I used online-translator.com, which is one of the better machine translators I've seen, though it did translate the first word of the headline as "I castrate", which I found hilarious.)
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Re: Olympics: Cuban athlete kicks taekwondo referee in the face

Postby Gelsamel » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:59 am UTC

Does he actually mean "the mafia" or does is he just referring to thinking the judges were bought.
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