maybeagnostic wrote:I think that's fundamentally misunderstanding what Russia gets out of this whole situation. Their interests are to discredit the US on the international stage, weaken the ties between the EU and USA, spread the idea of a moral equivalence between global powers (Russia does some bad stuff but so does the US therefore you can't criticize Russia about anything) and so on. None of this stuff requires Trump to actively collude with Putin, he just does it by nature of who he is.gd1 wrote:Of course he's not smart enough to do this on his own. That's why he kept getting instructions in face to face backdoor meetings with Putin.
Its the same reason they pushed for Brexit. I honestly don't even think they expected Brexit and Trump to happen, its just a way to sow division and internal strife.
I think Russia may want to damage or destroy the United States. We've interfered with Crimea. Trump has done damage to NATO (or was it the UN?). Putin may be using internal strife as a weapon to make anyone who could get in his way tear themselves apart. Trump has been ludicrously divisive. So has Brexit. Who would even be left besides China? And if the United States did take serious damage or even collapse, what would happen to our nuclear program? Would we be able to keep our nuke carrying submarines going? If he's patient he could treat it like a long siege. A lot of assumptions, but we may not really know his actual ambitions.
I have other feelings on what will actually happen which involve a religious dimension, but I'm focusing on this part for now.