If you adbuct someone and force him to build you four bird-boxes, three bat-boxes and a nesting set of coffee tables, does it matter whether he's a carpenter? If you, having lost some weight, force someone at gunpoint to take in your shirts at the waist, does it matter whether that person's a tailor? If twenty of us grab eight people, beat them with sticks, force them onto a boat, sit them at the oars and whip them to force them to row us upriver, does it matter whether they're Oxford Blues? Is it any worse to hold an accoutnant's family hostage to force him to drive you across the country than it would be to do the same thing to a taxi driver?
To introduce "withdrawn consent," let's imagine that ... let's call him Richard Fischer, for want of a better name ... Richard Fischer asks a carpenter to make him some furniture for the dining room. The carpenter comes round to Richard Fischer's home expecting to be making a table, some chairs, a sideboard, a display cabinet and/or a hostess trolley. Richard Fischer has some more specialised requests, involving holes in the chair seats, attachment points on the arms for restraints, a sideboard with a built-in fan pushing 20 litres/minute of air through it, sound-muffling intake and outlet vents, soundproofing linings and a lot of eye-bolts on the inside and a display cabinet with a head-harness on the inside level with a penis-height hole in the side wall. The carpenter thinks about this for a moment and decides that, without interviewing the other people presumably going to be involved in the enjoyment of this furniture, doing this job is just not a comfortable prospect, and says no. "Not happening. Not work I want. Thanks for your offer of business, but no." At that point, is there any difference between Richard Fischer pulling his gun and demanding that the carpenter make those items and Richard Fischer pulling his gun and demanding that the boy who helped him bring in his groceries make those items, apart from the expectation of a high-quality product?
Yes, crazy though it sounds, we do think men should be morally strong and do the right thing rather than being physically strong and doing the very, very wrong thing. It's one of those places where Lib Dem, Old Labour, New Labour, Tory, Democrat, Republican, Union pour un Mouvement Populaire, Parti Socialiste, Mouvement démocrate, Parti Communiste Français, Les Verts, Front National, Bündnis 90/Die Grünen, CDU, CSU, SPD, Die Linke, Freie Demokratische Partei, Friedrich Ebert Foundation, Panellinio Sosialistiko Kinima, Partidul Democrat-Liberal, Partidul Social Democrat + Partidul Conservator, Uniunea Democrată Maghiară din România and the President of Iran all agree, apart from a few arseholes who believe the laws shouldn't apply to them and their mates but otherwise agree.
You don't have to agree with us. You could take a very different point of view, as espoused ... by ... ah ... ash-Shabab?
Zohar wrote:You don't know what you're talking about. Please spare me your quote sniping and general obliviousness.
CorruptUser wrote:Just admit that you were wrong ... and your entire life, cyberspace and meatspace both, would be orders of magnitude more enjoyable for you and others around you.