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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby commodorejohn » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:12 pm UTC

That's some grade-A Douglas Adams material right there.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:02 am UTC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/bus ... heir-race/
A group of black soybean farmers from the South says a company intentionally sold them defective seeds in an elaborate scheme to place them at a disadvantage because of their race.

A lawsuit filed by African American farmers from Tennessee and Mississippi accuses Stine Seed Co. of selling them seeds they were told were of good quality and would bring successful harvests. But despite fertile soil, ample rain, good equipment and adequate farming capabilities, the farmers say, their yields were significantly lower than expected. Farmers from a 2,200-acre farm in Rome, Miss., say they lost more than $1 million after an extremely poor harvest.
TLDR Black farmers got defective seeds, losing at least a million dollars.
How exactly do you prove you got defective seeds? If the lawsuit doesn't get dismissed, you could subpoena all the records and yields of the customers of the seed company. See if there is a racial disparity. If you're lucky, they'll be incriminating emails.

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Postby Zamfir » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:53 am UTC

Facebook labels Russian users as ‘interested in treason’
Facebook’s advertising tools algorithmically labelled 65,000 Russians as interested in treason, potentially putting them at risk from the repressive state, until the company removed the category, following inquiries from journalists

The news comes a day after Facebook was discovered to have given privileged access to its site to mail service Mail.Ru, a Russian site with links to the Kremlin.

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Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:46 pm UTC

sardia wrote:How exactly do you prove you got defective seeds?

Soil tests for your and neighboring land of farmers who purchased seed from the same company, independent confirmation of farming methods being within standards for the area, rainfall amounts are public knowledge.

Should be easy enough to prove. If you examine the area in a couple of counties where farmers grew with Stein Seed (and there'll be plenty) and the black farmers had reduced yield compared to the other farmers, then you've got a problem that's hard to explain away. Things like "A bad batch sold" can only take you so far.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:03 pm UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/07/11/black-soybean-farmers-say-they-were-deliberately-sold-defective-seeds-because-of-their-race/
A group of black soybean farmers from the South says a company intentionally sold them defective seeds in an elaborate scheme to place them at a disadvantage because of their race.

A lawsuit filed by African American farmers from Tennessee and Mississippi accuses Stine Seed Co. of selling them seeds they were told were of good quality and would bring successful harvests. But despite fertile soil, ample rain, good equipment and adequate farming capabilities, the farmers say, their yields were significantly lower than expected. Farmers from a 2,200-acre farm in Rome, Miss., say they lost more than $1 million after an extremely poor harvest.
TLDR Black farmers got defective seeds, losing at least a million dollars.
How exactly do you prove you got defective seeds? If the lawsuit doesn't get dismissed, you could subpoena all the records and yields of the customers of the seed company. See if there is a racial disparity. If you're lucky, they'll be incriminating emails.


It can be a bit of a challenge. As SecondTalon says, with enough data, you can make your case, but getting results from other farmers might be challenging(I can't imagine that the seed company has all of the results, and not all customers will be directly comparable), and there are a number of factors that can cause poor crops. Incriminating emails would indeed be the best case. Showing intent would help their case a great deal.

I also note that the case alleges "inferior genetics, purity and germination", and that they describe the seeds as "weaponized". That seems like, if true, it should be easier to demonstrate. The seed doesn't match the brand you have a receipt for, something's amiss. At that point, you don't have to care about every other farmer, you have a strong case without it.

Edit: Reading through the case, it seems like the allegation based on yield isn't extremely strong. They were sold a batch with a promised average for 48 bushels/acre, and their actual average was 35 bushels/acre. That's low, but not unusually low. Variance on yields is high. It also appears that most of the disagreements resulted after one of the plantiffs ran into one of the defendants parked vehicles, and bad feelings may have resulted from that debt. The test bean results the defendants produced showed a zero percent germination rate, which seems odd. If it is a representative sample as they say, then the actual results should be far more negative than they experienced.

Edit #2: There's no evidence provided that race was a motivating factor. It's a pretty straightforward "we bought the certified, treated seed, but were given crap seed instead" breach of contract suit. The accusation, that the company was rebagging seed for fraudulent purposes at a warehouse facility, would have applied to all customers of that facility. They're alleging that the warehouse had no treatment facility there, and thus, all seed sold there had to be untreated(not necessarily the case, many seed warehouses get the seeds in treated, rather than doing their own). If the accusation is correct, it'd apply to all customers regardless of race.

Edit #3: Sorry, this thing is long. The plaintiffs actually accuse the defendants of violating anti-slavery law. That's...wow. A stretch. If something gets their case tossed, it'll be this part.

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Postby sardia » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:39 pm UTC

http://blogs.wgbh.org/innovation-hub/20 ... er-better/
Yet another fabled story we tell ourselves about the world ends up an evil lie. Big business out performs small business at every conceivable metric.
Three Takeaways:

Big businesses outperform small businesses by almost every meaningful measure, Atkinson argues. That includes wages, employee benefits, diversity, and environmental protection.
Large corporations are often criticized for pumping money into politics. Yet small businesses are also an extremely powerful force in Washington, represented by organizations like the National Federation of Independent Business. They are also helped by the efforts of a U.S. government agency, the Small Business Administration. As a result, small businesses benefit from relaxed regulations, access to government funding, and influence in every congressional district.
Big businesses are under strict public and government scrutiny, so their mistakes can turn into national PR disasters (think BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil spill). But that kind of scrutiny isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It forces big businesses to comply with regulations and work to maintain a reputation as a responsible company.
More Reading:

Even “trust-busters” like Teddy Roosevelt and FDR saw the benefit of large corporations, Robert Atkinson and Michael Lind write in The New Republic.
Atkinson admits that the corporate wage premium is getting smaller. Researchers have a few theories about the downward wage trend, reports CNN Money.
Politicians’ obsession with small businesses misses the big picture, to the detriment of small businesses themselves, argues historian Benjamin C. Waterhouse.
How do the numbers stack up between big and small businesses? The magazine Inc. takes a look.

Caveats
Their metric for inequality is broader than expected. They compare top 10% to 90% instead of 1% to 99%.
They also count S-corps, which can include millionaires as small businesses. (Defined as less than 200-500 employees).

At this point, if anybody tells me anything about the merits of buying anything (local, union, cops, green, small business, guns, Christmas, charity, etc etc), I'm just going assume they're all dirty liars.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:16 pm UTC

Multiple sources, one story:
As Assam counts its citizens, Muslims fear they may be left out

More than 7 million people, including 2.9 million married women, asked to prove citizenship as part of massive exercise.

Quest for citizenship: As millions try to prove nationality in Assam, one man's story reveals the burden of proof

An illiterate, slightly built Bengali weakened by asthma, Molla, now 32, wasn’t told why he was being taken, only that the gaon-burra, the headman, would come and get him. Instead, he was taken to a magistrate’s court, pronounced an illegal immigrant even though his parents were Indian, and put in a police vehicle, he said.

Policy for Those Found Non-Citizens After NRC Update in Assam Still Undecided

Even as the Centre is quiet on the policy and the Assam Accord suggests disenfranchisement of ‘foreigners’ for ten years, experts offer solutions like work permits and protective legislation.

If Muslims are dropped from NRC, situation in Assam will become volatile: Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind chief

He allegedly warned that 70 lakh Muslims in Assam will take to the streets in case of injustice against them, accusing the Bharatiya Janata Party government in Assam of "creating a Myanmar-like situation" in the north-eastern state.

Chief Minister Sarbananda Sonowal had earlier made it clear that his government will strictly deal with those who try to create obstacles in the NRC updation.

Assam's list: Indian state preparing to deport tens of thousands of 'foreigners'

Just before midnight on New Year’s Eve, authorities in the north-east Indian state of Assam published a list of 19 million names. But not Hanif Khan’s.

Early the next morning police found Khan, a taxi driver from Cachar district, dead from an apparent suicide. “I am sure he killed himself after he found his name missing,” his wife Rushka says.

Two years ago, Assam, a lush state bordering Bhutan and Bangladesh, embarked on a vast exercise: to identify every resident who could demonstrate roots in the state before March 1971.

And deport anyone who couldn’t.

An unfinished draft was released on 31 December – minus the names of 14 million other residents. Officials have stressed the final list will include millions more names, but the process is sparking anxiety in Assam, and warnings India might be about to manufacture tens of thousands of stateless people.

Border guards were accused of gunning down nearly 1,000 people, most of them suspected smugglers, in the decade to 2010. A barbed-wire fence, bolstered in parts by floodlights and cameras, has been under construction since the mid-1980s and will eventually stretch more than 3,300km.

Resentment has been most acute in Assam, where it sparked an anti-migrant movement in the 1980s that paralysed the state and eventually won government. It also fuelled one of India’s worst single-day massacres since partition: a frenzied seven-hour pogrom in a clutch of Muslim villages that left at least 1,800 people dead.

When the government finally publishes the full list of citizens on 31 May, the ranks of foreigners in Assam could swell by tens of thousands – with no clear plan yet of what to do with them.

The Assam chief minister, Sarbananda Sonowal, said in an interview last month that foreigners would lose constitutional rights. “They will have only one right – human rights as guaranteed by the the UN that include food, shelter and clothing.”

The issue of deportation, he said, “will come later”.


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:32 pm UTC

Musk: "This remote controlled submarine will help save the kids!"
Diving expert: "Thanks, but this wouldn't be suitable for this particular mission"
Musk: "PEDO!"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44846945

EDIT: I guess this belongs in the humorous news thread really

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby speising » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:13 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:Musk: "This remote controlled submarine will help save the kids!"
Diving expert: "Thanks, but this wouldn't be suitable for this particular mission"
Musk: "PEDO!"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44846945

EDIT: I guess this belongs in the humorous news thread really

well, the expert didn't quite express it that politely ("... can shove it where it hurts..."), but M's reaction was rather out of line in any case.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:20 pm UTC

Oops, I misread the Thai chief of the rescue mission's comment as being Unsworth’s. Yeah, he was less than polite. Still, quite a leap to accusations of paedophilia.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Zamfir » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:59 pm UTC

Presumably, the driver guy divided his previous days between risking his life, sleeping, and fighting Elon Musk's marketing assault.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:20 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:Presumably, the driver guy divided his previous days between risking his life, sleeping, and fighting Elon Musk's marketing assault.
(tisk-tisk) Mr. Elon Musk; Why does success turn people into AssHoles?

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(tisk-tisk) Mr. Elon Musk;......It's a shame.
(shrug...) A hero knocks himself off the pedestal.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby commodorejohn » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:47 pm UTC

Oh good, Musk has added "wild overreactions to imagined or minor slights" to "delusions of grandeur" and "insane pet projects." Two more and I've got a Supervillain Bingo!

No, wait, there was that thing where he thinks that we're actually living in the Matrix because you can't prove that we aren't so blah blah something something probability. That probably counts for "mad pet theory rejected by his peers," right? One more to go...!
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:49 pm UTC

sardia wrote:At this point, if anybody tells me anything about the merits of buying anything (local, union, cops, green, small business, guns, Christmas, charity, etc etc), I'm just going assume they're all dirty liars.


Small businesses benefit a great deal from the US underdog reaction. We love hearing stories about small guys taking on the big guys and winning.

In practice, it is rarely a good idea to bet on the long shot underdog, though.

The nicest thing about small businesses in practice is that they have the potential to become large businesses. Gotta have some on-ramp to increasing diversity in businesses, different business models, new ideas. Most won't make it, though. They'll either stay small, or die horribly.

That said, the SBA is...a great deal less helpful than it is cracked up to be. If you qualify, they may partially guarantee a small business loan. When they say government funds, they don't mean grants, or even loans, merely loan guarantees....and not even full loan guarantees, partial guarantees. It's something, but in practice, it only means a situational slightly easier access to credit. Relative to large businesses, this is probably not an advantage overall. Big business generally has fairly easy credit access.

As for Musk, I look forward to him giving up on humanity and building a volcano island lair.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Mutex » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:55 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:Oh good, Musk has added "wild overreactions to imagined or minor slights" to "delusions of grandeur" and "insane pet projects." Two more and I've got a Supervillain Bingo!

No, wait, there was that thing where he thinks that we're actually living in the Matrix because you can't prove that we aren't so blah blah something something probability. That probably counts for "mad pet theory rejected by his peers," right? One more to go...!

Which one is left? Because he's already got a flamethrower thanks to his Boring company, so he's pretty much Scorpio.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Quercus » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:01 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:Oh good, Musk has added "wild overreactions to imagined or minor slights" to "delusions of grandeur" and "insane pet projects." Two more and I've got a Supervillain Bingo!

No, wait, there was that thing where he thinks that we're actually living in the Matrix because you can't prove that we aren't so blah blah something something probability. That probably counts for "mad pet theory rejected by his peers," right? One more to go...!

Which one is left? Because he's already got a flamethrower thanks to his Boring company, so he's pretty much Scorpio.

Does he own a white cat?

Edit: Also, if that's a flamethrower I own one too - it's called a gas torch with a burner nozzle and you can get them for about £30 at any hardware store.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:03 pm UTC

addams wrote:Mr. Elon Musk; Why does success turn people into AssHoles?


People with money are assholes. People with money decide that being an asshole is why they have money. People with money only invest in new products marketed by assholes. Only assholes get rich; assholes see that only assholes get rich, and decide that being an asshole is why they have money.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:19 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:
addams wrote:Mr. Elon Musk; Why does success turn people into AssHoles?


People with money are assholes. People with money decide that being an asshole is why they have money. People with money only invest in new products marketed by assholes. Only assholes get rich; assholes see that only assholes get rich, and decide that being an asshole is why they have money.
oh....My internal voice read that as, "People are AssHoles.
Money gives the AssHole a megaphone.


Nope...Nope...Not everyone!
There must be a glimmer of hope.

...ummm....Mr. and Mrs. Gates?
Loads of Money? check.
Not AssHoles? check.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:24 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:Oh good, Musk has added "wild overreactions to imagined or minor slights" to "delusions of grandeur" and "insane pet projects." Two more and I've got a Supervillain Bingo!

No, wait, there was that thing where he thinks that we're actually living in the Matrix because you can't prove that we aren't so blah blah something something probability. That probably counts for "mad pet theory rejected by his peers," right? One more to go...!

Which one is left? Because he's already got a flamethrower thanks to his Boring company, so he's pretty much Scorpio.


This Scorpio, or this Scorpio?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Thesh » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:42 pm UTC

addams wrote:...ummm....Mr. and Mrs. Gates?
Loads of Money? check.
Not AssHoles? check.


Gates made all of his money by making a buggy operating system filled with security holes, and doing everything they could to prevent competition so he could force it on everyone. This has caused so many problems for most businesses and individuals and cost our economy massive amounts of money in trying to deal with these issues. My guess is that Bill Gates has done far far more harm than good to society, and no amount of charity will make up for the damage that he did. That's not even getting into the lost opportunity cost. I'm also absolutely 100% certain that he has a clear conscience, and like all evil people ultimately convinced himself that his search for wealth and power was ultimately necessary to bring the greater good.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:16 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Mutex wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:Oh good, Musk has added "wild overreactions to imagined or minor slights" to "delusions of grandeur" and "insane pet projects." Two more and I've got a Supervillain Bingo!

No, wait, there was that thing where he thinks that we're actually living in the Matrix because you can't prove that we aren't so blah blah something something probability. That probably counts for "mad pet theory rejected by his peers," right? One more to go...!

Which one is left? Because he's already got a flamethrower thanks to his Boring company, so he's pretty much Scorpio.


This Scorpio, or this Scorpio?


I was assuming he meant this one

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Postby commodorejohn » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:16 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:Oh good, Musk has added "wild overreactions to imagined or minor slights" to "delusions of grandeur" and "insane pet projects." Two more and I've got a Supervillain Bingo!

No, wait, there was that thing where he thinks that we're actually living in the Matrix because you can't prove that we aren't so blah blah something something probability. That probably counts for "mad pet theory rejected by his peers," right? One more to go...!

Which one is left? Because he's already got a flamethrower thanks to his Boring company, so he's pretty much Scorpio.

Well, my card still has "manifesto/list of demands to the United Nations" open, but I may have missed it.
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Postby addams » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:23 pm UTC

oh, What you are saying is he is kind of, like, Alfred Nobel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel

If he had not made the clunky Windows system,
Someone else surely would have; Like dynamite.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:40 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:Edit: Also, if that's a flamethrower I own one too - it's called a gas torch with a burner nozzle and you can get them for about £30 at any hardware store.


It is pretty small as flamethrowers go. An interesting PR stunt, but honestly, supervillany is defined by doing things impractically large and over the top. As things go, this is probably pretty tame compared to his desire for a moon base.

Anyways, he's also offering to fix the water in flint for anyone still stuck with crap water. The fact that his attempt to help some stranded children devolved into a twitter spat seems kinda minor in comparison to the good he does.

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Postby Quercus » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:54 am UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Anyways, he's also offering to fix the water in flint for anyone still stuck with crap water. The fact that his attempt to help some stranded children devolved into a twitter spat seems kinda minor in comparison to the good he does.


I'm not going to deny that he does plenty of good stuff, but he's also an egomaniacal arse who treats his employees like crap and goes off on a teenage strop whenever criticised too heavily. Basically, I'm glad that he does (most of) the stuff he does, and I'm also glad I don't have to know him, interact with him or work for him.

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Postby Sableagle » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:40 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:It's an exceptional circumstances thing, not a standard occurance. In this case the judge is probably worried that reporting on the details of Tommy's arrest could influence the jurers in the sex abuse trial (hence why the reporting ban is to the end of the sex abuse trial). There's a guideline document on reporting restrictions in UK trials here: https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content ... 2016-2.pdf I'm not sure how I feel about them - the principle of a free press, and the principle of equitable justice are both ones I hold dear, and this is one attempt to decide what to do when they conflict directly. I haven't read the document so I can't comment on whether I think they've got it right.
dg61 wrote:RE: Tommy Robinson, he was arrested specifically for violating a court order(or more accurately, breaching a suspended sentence) not to videotape during a specific trial after being previously warned for similar conduct, with the warning specifically based on concerns about a fair trial. Essentially, if he had attended and published a written report on his blog, or even produced a video elsewhere that did not show anything etc, it would probably have been fine.





......... and in vaguely-related news, Nigel Farage doesn't pay much attention to detail or checking his sources, or maybe he reckons enough of us don't pay attention.

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How could you not notice that the sign is neatly printed except for those two words?

https://twitter.com/lkretzel1130/status ... 96/photo/1

When he was pulled up on the fact that the image was fake, Mr Farage took it down, saying: ‘The photograph turns out to be Fake News, but the refugees welcome brigade need to think harder about what is happening.’

‘Unbeknownst to me, the photo was then taken, edited (poorly) and redistributed around the internet for various unrelated, primarily anti-immigration propaganda. This is a poor and hastily done editing job, which I hope you [i.e. Mr Farage] could recognize,’ Ms Kretzel said.

She also called out American actor James Woods, who also shared the fake image alongside the caption ‘finally, a real solution to stop illegal immigration’.


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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:03 am UTC

The Bus Driver handled that horrible situation with more poise than I could have mustered.
If that bunch of Ugly White Jerks were 'after' me, I would be very frightened and 'gun it'.

umm...Totally a bad dysphemism I used there.
Still; That woman had control of a Huge machine.

She didn't run over those people.
She trusted in the Police and God.

The article says Three of that bunch were arrested.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:20 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Anyways, he's also offering to fix the water in flint for anyone still stuck with crap water. The fact that his attempt to help some stranded children devolved into a twitter spat seems kinda minor in comparison to the good he does.


I'm not going to deny that he does plenty of good stuff, but he's also an egomaniacal arse who treats his employees like crap and goes off on a teenage strop whenever criticised too heavily. Basically, I'm glad that he does (most of) the stuff he does, and I'm also glad I don't have to know him, interact with him or work for him.


That's fair. A lot of people who do cool stuff have lots of personal failings. Steve Jobs comes to mind as a similar individual. I might be okay with many of the results, but still not choose to associate closely with someone.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Sableagle » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:08 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Perhaps I've missed something about all this, but what's wrong with giving blood?
Nigel Farage might need it.
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:36 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Perhaps I've missed something about all this, but what's wrong with giving blood?
Nigel Farage might need it.

Real Ale. It's not blood he runs in his veins, but Real Ale. Which would explain a lot.

For fun, donate a pint of Pilsner, Bock or Tripel!

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:11 am UTC

Back to the News:
The Loopy Jet Stream might be Why.
Sweden has forty wildfires.
Thousands of people have been warned to remain inside with the windows shut to avoid breathing smoky air.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... msnweather
Last year the U.S. was on fire from Canada to L.A.
Spoiler:
I thought of driving away from the smoke.
I was not able to drive that far. It was Far!
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:13 pm UTC

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/18/63009426 ... -documents
Russian spy arrested for sexing up conservatives in order to spy on US.
The woman, Maria Butina, has been in regular contact with Russian intelligence, the Justice Department says, and she attempted to offer sex in exchange for a position with an organization she targeted.
This spy is everywhere in conservative socials. Her mo to find politically connected old people, and trade sex and friendship for political access, connections etc etc. Typical spy stuff. Of note, she infiltrated the NRA, which gives evidence that they are under Russian influence.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:02 pm UTC

"From my cold, red hands!"

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:17 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
Sableagle wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Perhaps I've missed something about all this, but what's wrong with giving blood?
Nigel Farage might need it.

Real Ale. It's not blood he runs in his veins, but Real Ale. Which would explain a lot.

For fun, donate a pint of Pilsner, Bock or Tripel!


That's...awful. Real Ale is an abomination unto Nuggan. No wonder the bastard needs blood.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby commodorejohn » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:28 pm UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.npr.org/2018/07/18/630094267/maria-butina-was-in-contact-with-russian-intelligence-feds-say-in-new-documents
Russian spy arrested for sexing up conservatives in order to spy on US.
The woman, Maria Butina, has been in regular contact with Russian intelligence, the Justice Department says, and she attempted to offer sex in exchange for a position with an organization she targeted.

This spy is everywhere in conservative socials. Her mo to find politically connected old people, and trade sex and friendship for political access, connections etc etc. Typical spy stuff. Of note, she infiltrated the NRA, which gives evidence that they are under Russian influence.

Yeah, this is quite a thing. There have been rumblings for a year or more now that the NRA was compromised, but I figured it was just a matter of taking illegitimate donations; I was not expecting a full-fledged honey-trap scheme.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:21 pm UTC

So... what could Russia actually do if they compromised the NRA enough that it was a Russian puppet? Do they expect to be able to indirectly control congress as a result of the lobbying?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby commodorejohn » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:37 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:So... what could Russia actually do if they compromised the NRA enough that it was a Russian puppet? Do they expect to be able to indirectly control congress as a result of the lobbying?

More than anything, I think this is just part of what has already been established as broad program of sowing chaos and discord in American society; gun control has been a divisive issue for decades, and it's been noted how the NRA has accelerated in its push towards the fringes in recent years, pushing for more and more hardline positions on the issue and engaging in some fairly blatant race-baiting on top of that. I would hazard a guess that at least part of that shift has been Putin's finger on the scales.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:51 pm UTC

Makes sense as a strategy, honestly. They've got pull, and any organization with significant pull could be of use if your goal is to destabilize a country. Propaganda and such has been used to this effect many times before in the past, Russia's likely just polishing off a tried and true strategy here.

More partisanship in general is probably congruent with their aims, whatever the type.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby dg61 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:37 pm UTC

I don't know that the actual goal is to run the NRA so much as to gain access and influence with politicans who are strongly involved with it.


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