Bubbles McCoy wrote:Taking the implications of absolute disbelief in all non-spiritual things to their logical end, we are just accidents.
And by many religions, we're nothing but cogs in the celestial machine, just another part of the Ineffable Divine Plan.
Happiness is completely devoid of meaning, it's just a regulatory means of of keeping the biological machine pursuing what it needs for survival.
Compare: spirituality is completely devoid of meaning. It's just a regulatory means of keeping the creation pursuing what it needs to fulfill the divine plan.
Plus, as other people have pointed out, being a regulatory means of biological whatever doesn't make something devoid of meaning. I'm reasonably sure that paintings are just a bunch of molecules held together by physical forces, and that music is just some air molecules wobbling. What I'm trying to get across is that there is not some particle which has "meaning" in the same way that molecules have mass, or charge, or momentum. Meaning is in the relationship between things, rather than the things themselves... For example, that ring your dying parents gave you might mean a lot to you, even though it's just a rather unremarkable ring to most of humanity (and just an atypically-shaped lump of metal to the rest of the universe). Meaning can only be defined with reference to people, and their connection to the world and each other.
I think it's rather basic to assume that all actions on some level need justification, and hence fundamental that life would need one too.
I suggest you justify that assumption. And then I suggest you justify your justification of that assumption. And then justify the justification of the justification. Ad infinitum. What I'm saying here is that it's simply not possible to justify everything. At some point, you're going to have to assert something without justification. Your choice for this assertion appears to be "God gives things meaning". Many atheists choose "People
give things meaning" or "meaning is not required" instead.
Also, consider animals. I'm pretty sure most of them don't have religion, and according to many Christians they don't have souls, either. And yet... they seem get along perfectly fine. If you're willing to accept that chimpanzees can live without religion, I don't think it's a huge leap to imagine humans doing the same.
Just because I can do anything I want doesn't mean I somehow should... arbitrarily applying meaning to actions that logically should have none is undeniably worthless. Emotions only exist to manipulate you, at least if some sort of supernatural force exists emotions and actions can have an instrinsic value to them.
I don't see how it's any less arbitrary to say that things are meaningful simply because some supernatural thing exists. Also, see earlier argument about meaning being defined by people.
everything needs some form of justification in my mind, even if it's compartively trite compared to other actions we might take. I don't see how it's possible to justify that nothing needs justification.
Really? Every time you take a breath, you think "I'm taking this breath to keep my oxygen levels up"? You never tap your fingers without thinking about your ultimate goal in doing so?