KrytenKoro wrote:Using your terminology, "icky feelings" << "actual harassment".
Then you are hideously ignorant of reality.
# of times per day someone uses a public facility and #of times per day separate bathrooms negatively effects a transgendered persons life. Every gay club I have ever been to has separate bathrooms -- not once ever was it an issue. (Probably spent a total of 500 hours in gay clubs over my life)
The Constitution doesn't protect you from harassment, dirty looks, snide comments.
Let me summarize most of answers to your points:
1) There is no legal obligation to provide public facilities designed to protect an insanely small minority from feeling bad. People feel bad for all kinds of reason, too heavy, low self-esteem, skin conditions, etc etc. We don't have to provide public accomodations to guarantee nobody is made to "feel bad".
2) You don't get to dictated to vast vast majorities your opinion on the way things should be unless they are a clear violation of the Constitution Equal protection clause. Society gets to ignore people who have minority views that don't actually impede their life. I didn't compare transgendered to anyone --- I simply listed minority groups that most people would agree we dont' want to change society for to appease them. I have desires and Nazi's have desires. That doesn't mean I'm calling myself a Nazi. Learn the difference.
Women not going #2 in front of Men > Your right to have the restroom be a Convenience store
Again, begging the question.
Your point was that unisex = we can all buy tampons and condoms!
Who gives a fuck what you can buy in a restroom? Do we have a right to tacos or lawn ornaments? If you want to buy ____ go to the fucking store and buy it. Don't demand that it be made available to all persons in a public facility.
For whatever non-rational reason, men are less concerned with other men seeing their private parts than strange women.
You have comprehensively failed to demonstrate that.
Having lived in a society you learn what is acceptable and unacceptable (whether is morally right or wrong is another issue) through social cues and social policing. I dont' have to prove that people prefer for toilets to have walls seperating them.
1) 99% of restrooms do have walls around sit down toilets in mens room.
2) I have never seen a human use a toilet that didn't provide privacy.
So No, I'm not going to provide a graph that shows men aren't that bothered by urinating in public restrooms.
The claim that it is not a violation of civil liberty is already a ridiculous assumption not supported by the evidence.
Your basic point is that we should have unisex bathrooms so that people (most likely transgendered) don't feel bad.
There is no law, regulation, or Constitutional clause that prevents you from feeling bad. Additionally, I simply asked if, or under what circumstances, can a huge majority get their preference --- assuming that 100% of societal preferences make some tiny minority upset.
Lastly, politically, I feel that you are doing harm to the greater fight for equality. You are stating exactly your oppositions worst nightmare --- that they use as a slippery slope argument to provide basic rights like gay marriage, adoption, prevention from arbitrary termination in the work place.
"If we let gay people marry, next thing will be dudes in the ladies locker room!". Right or Wrong --- you are politically playing into your enemies hands --- and thus making harder to fight the more important fights.
If you had to choose: All unisex bathrooms or Transgendered people can't be fired for being Transgendered?
Buy fighting for the former, you are harming the latter even if morality is on your side and society is a bunch of assholes.
(Food for thought)