elasto wrote:Education only correlates with intelligence at all well in rich liberal countries - and even there the correlation is not great. Education correlates poorly with intelligence in poverty stricken countries and does not correlate at all under religiously oppressive regimes.
Here is a quote from about Education
One thing that IQ scores have been shown to reliably predict is academic success in school. However, it is important to note that doing well in school doesn't necessarily mean that a person will be successful at work or in other life areas
Which is about what you would expect. So IQ can be overwhelmed by other effects. Access might play a bigger role in poorer countries.From the Wikipedia
Although much of the research into intelligence and fertility has been restricted to individuals within a single nation (usually the United States), Steven Shatz (2008) extended the research internationally; he finds that "There is a strong tendency for countries with lower national IQ scores to have higher fertility rates and for countries with higher national IQ scores to have lower fertility rates."
Lynn and Harvey (2008) found a correlation of −0.73 between national IQ and fertility. They estimated that the effect had been "a decline in the world's genotypic IQ of 0.86 IQ points for the years 1950–2000. A further decline of 1.28 IQ points in the world's genotypic IQ is projected for the years 2000–2050." In the first period this effect had been compensated for by the Flynn effect causing a rise in phenotypic IQ but recent studies in four developed nations had found it has now ceased or gone into reverse. They thought it probable that both genotypic and phenotypic IQ will gradually start to decline for the whole world.
Take this for what it's worth, I don't suggest that it is true. But if the study were correct than it isn't a leap to say that GE won't solve that particular problem. However my question was, does using GE to increase intelligence solve a problem? With a second question of, if it does than how do you do it ethically, since it requires wombs? And for whatever reason, countries who are in a position to be able to use the benefits are the same countries who have declining birthrates.
We seem to be talking past one another somewhat. I was talking about intelligence - because that's what you were talking about - and now you're talking about IQ.
IQ correlates with intelligence for sure, but it also correlates with education, with lack of poverty, with good nutrition and so on.
Normally that distinction wouldn't matter but it does if we're trying to establish that birth-rates correlate directly with education and only indirectly with intelligence.
To put it another way, it's my understanding that humanity as a species is not appreciably more intelligent than it was 40,000 years ago. It's also my understanding that a random human born in Africa today is not appreciably more or less intelligent than a random human born in Norway today. Yet birth-rates were much, much higher 40,000 years ago than they are today, and are much higher today in Africa than in Norway. Therefore any purported correlation between intelligence and birth-rate is obviously flawed...
What differs, and what actually
explains - correlates with - birth-rates are female education, empowerment and so on. The latter are much higher in Norway than in Africa, and much higher today than 40,000 years ago.
Some woman in the Middle East might be just as intelligent as some woman in the UK - but if she can't make her husband wear a condom, has no right to the pill or abortions, and can't even refuse to have sex with him - then she has no control over her own fertility, and so her intelligence (or lack of it) is not going to be at all correlated with how many children she ends up with.