cphite wrote:Part of the problem is that while this shit is going on - systemic murder, rape, torture, slavery - the PC crowd here in the civilized world demands that we consider these things nothing more than a difference of opinion - another viewpoint, if you will. Be careful not to call them out too harshly for stoning the rape victim to death; you might hurt someone's feelings.
Ok. Would you include Indonesia in that, 204 million.
I was going to say "no" but just now I read an article about Indonesia wanting to require virginity tests for girls graduating from school...
How about India, 177 million? Maybe Turkey, 74 million. Bangladesh, 148 million? Jordan, 6 million? How about the 2.5 million in the US? The 2.8 million in the UK. The 4 million in Germany. The 4.7 million in France? Are they all rapists and murders. Do they all practice slavery? Torture?
I'm not saying that all Muslims do these things or that all Muslim countries do these things... if that was unclear then I apologize. I was referring to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan, and the like. Countries where women are routinely oppressed; and where people are routinely arrested, tortured, or even killed over matters of speech or religion.
In Saudi Arabia, for example, a woman who leaves her home without an escort can be beaten in the street; some have been outright murdered for accusations of adultery. This isn't being done by rogue elements; it's being done by officially sanctioned police forces, as a matter of law enforcement. People who speak against the regime, or against the religion, are arrested, beaten, tortured, and sometimes murdered - again, not by rogue factions but by the government itself.
And in regards to the question that prompted this: Yeah, our ways are superior to that. Our system of governance, while it certainly has flaws, is superior to any that uses torture and murder, and sometimes rape, as a primary means of law enforcement.
We won't discuss China or Russia.
Why not? They're excellent examples of regimes that treat their people badly without it being about religion.
I'll point out that the population of the Middle East is outdone by the population of Indonesia, Bangladesh, and India's Muslims. Roughly 450 million versus the Middle East's 371 million. Are there bad people in the Middle East, damn right. However I thought most of them wanted pretty much what I want. Food, shelter and families, and the money to enjoy them. You seem to be telling me I'm wrong. So I must be. I think I'm done here.
Again, I was referring specifically to countries and groups that are governed in the manner of Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. I was not saying that all Muslims are bad, and if it came across that way then I apologize.
The point is, there is a fairly specific type of government in the world today - almost exclusively based on one specific religion - that represents some of the most harsh, backwards, and oppressive governance imaginable. And we should call it out as such, and not make excuses for it.