Frankenstein wrote:I see intolerance increasing though.
No, what you see is that a larger number of people from more diverse backgrounds have gained enough of a voice (either through additional freedoms, greatly improved tolerance for their voice or an improved communication infrastructure) that you can hear
their complaints about when people are being shitty towards them.
But go ahead, long for those long lost, more tolerant days when gay people were ostracized, black Americans couldn't vote and a woman's place was in the kitchen. At least back then you weren't so thoroughly inconvenienced by having to sort out those people who are just so unjustifiably offended
all the time from the rest of this endless bulk of information at your fingertips.
I see intolerance decreasing.
There's still a pretty significant culture of intolerance though, I mean, have you ever heard a rap radio? Besides the fact that I don't like the melody, at least from the rap lyrics I've heard, a lot of them are about intolerance.
Also, I don't know how that compares to gay/woman's rights... if someone is against the gay rights, I don't think it's acceptable kill them also. I never knew we lived in a world where the primitive reaction of 'killing what hurts/bores me' were acceptable. I hope you aren't telling me that I'm expected as a citizen to threat a person on the streets with a t-shirt against gay marriage?
This is somewhat off topic though.
Just to let you know, I agreed with the points regarding the swastika. If it's not socially acceptable, people should respect that. However, when someone 'exposes' a swastika, before taking any violent action, the person should at lease be notified, at least a "drop the swastika or you will be shot" is expected. Still I would prefer if a symbol didn't have that much meaning.
Also, I think this was the wrong time to post this because it seems everyone is enraged because of the terrorism in France, people should not let facts like that affect the way they think though.
And I don't know if you read the entire thread, but the conversations reached almost a point where people were supporting the killing of the guy who posted the picture.
PAstrychef wrote: Frankenstein wrote:
. I was mostly interested on why people don't complain when they see their friends mass-murdering in video games, but they go crazy when they see a swastika. I mean, you can even reproduce the Holocaust in videogames and that's perfectly okay, as long as you don't call your people 'Nazis' and don't use swastikas. That seems quite hypocritical to me, but that discussion is kinda over.
And before you ask, yes, there are videogames like that, there's even a videogame where you exterminate an entire city by triggering a nuke. And of course that's not only completely acceptable but it's considered super cool
Actually, there are lots of complaints about this kind of game construction.
As for the swastika in particular, at this point in time there are still people who are directly connected to the Holocaust who find reminders of it being used as entertainment to be extremely troubling. I suspect that there are persons of Japanese background who find that nuking a city as entertainment is extremely troubling as well.
In some of your earlier posts you say that you use the word "nazi" as a kind of casual shorthand for "rather nasty". That shows both a lack of understanding about the historical nazis and a real lack of empathy for their victims.
Oh, are there? Well... I never see people reacting about that. Perhaps I'm just uninformed...
Agree about the swastika. Dunno about the Japaneses.
In fact I don't use the word Nazi that often, and I don't even remember using it 'offline' (surely I can't use it near grandpa, at risk of being hit with a book), but when I'm chatting online I do use it, in text messages. I don't see the problem in that though.
gmalivuk wrote: Frankenstein wrote:
I think the most important fact that makes the swastika so 'offensive' today is that it's still being used by antisemitic and white supremacy jerks.
I don't quite get how you yourself are the one who brought this up and yet you're still apparently unclear about why it bothers people?
In addition to the fact that people are still around with direct Holocaust connections (since after all Soviet Gulag survivors are also still around), violent antisemitism continues to this day and is still frequently accompanied by the swastika. So, like, doesn't that pretty much answer your question in its entirety?
Yes, that pretty much answers it, what bother me though is the fact that the people is what give the swastika that disproportional importance. It's a 'forbidden' symbol in society, and that's why it's so offensive. That won't change quickly though, so there's no option other than living with that fact.