Frankenstein wrote:Also, the Great Pyramid is even one of the "Seven Wonders of Ancient World", and it is to me another symbol of unimaginable suffering.
To reiterate this point, because it's of special significance to me:
It's been very solidly established that the Pyramids of Giza were not built by slaves. They were built by workmen, who were treated with relative decency considering the time period. There is a pile of evidence to support this, including where many were buried (next to the Pyramid... according to Egyptian Religion, physical proximity to the God-King is very good) as well as their own writing (Graffiti inside the pyramid shows work gangs calling themselves names such as the "Friends of Khufu", "Drunkards of Menkaure", etc.). Yeah, they might not have had modern labor laws, but it wasn't a massive slave operation.
Regarding the Swastika in Germany:
It is essentially illegal to be pro-Nazi. That means no waving of the Nazi flag, no Hitler salute, no display of the Swastika, etc... at least in public. You can hang a Nazi flag and heil Hitler all you like in the privacy of your own home. Germany's public swastika/Nazi ban has exceptions. You're allowed to display the swastika for historical purposes (for instance, in a museum). Or religious purposes. The "Swastika" is a symbol of Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. If you're a Buddhist, Hindu, etc. in Germany, you're allowed to display a swastika (a pendant, for example) as an expression of your religion. A Neo-Nazi who shows up in Germany with a swastika tattooed on their forehead, on the other hand, will be required to cover it up (with a large Band-Aid, for example). However, you can display the Nazi swastika in a negative connotation (for example, some recent rallies in Germany have featured banners with the Swastika in a trash can).
BattleMoose wrote:What's also relevant is that the German people themselves have completely rejected the Swastika. There is a great shame there. It is the only place where it is in fact illegal. And it was always a political flag, not a national one (such as the USSR).
Not necessarily... The Swastika is also banned in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, and a few others maybe.
The Swastika flag was the national flag of Germany during Nazi times. National flags, military flags, the seal, etc. all had Swastikas.
With regards to both the USSR and Nazi Germany, the idea was basically the same. Only one party (Communist, National Socialist German Worker's Party) was legal, and that party controlled the state. State and Party were one, and thus the flag for the Party and the State was the same flag.
In any case, I think we need to move past the stigmatization of the Swastika. Of course the black hooked-cross in a white circle on the red banner will always be a symbol of Nazism and its atrocities, but the "swastika" symbol itself transcends that completely. It is a symbol which had, before the Nazis, almost always meant "Good". And this isn't in Asian cultures alone.. the Swastika had a rich history in European culture for hundreds to thousands of years as well.
Of course Nazis inflicted a great deal of harm on a great many people, and the Swastika is their most prominent symbol, but ignoring everything it was before that, and was after that, simply because the Nazis decided to adopt it as their own is a slap in the face to many cultures, and in my own opinion, an unacceptable last victory for the Nazis.