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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Diadem » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:27 pm UTC

Derek wrote:It's also an anti-patriotic song when you actually listen to the lyrics, despite what everyone thinks.

You don't really need to listen all that closely. The first two lines of the song are:
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The first kick I took was when I hit the ground

How anyone can mistake this for a patriotic song is beyond me.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Quercus » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:11 pm UTC

It's not really anti-patriotic IMO. It's anti the foreign and economic policy of the time, which is not really the same thing. It's certainly not an actively patriotic song though.

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:52 pm UTC

iChef wrote:I think if we had an open vote in the US "Born in the USA". Easy to sing everyone already knows the words and it's even easy to sing while absolutely smashed (useful at most American sporting events).

I am so glad I have surrounded myself with the sort of people that is this "everyone" is instead "no one."
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Zamfir » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:08 pm UTC

Is this some class marker?

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Diadem » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:13 pm UTC

doogly wrote:
iChef wrote:I think if we had an open vote in the US "Born in the USA". Easy to sing everyone already knows the words and it's even easy to sing while absolutely smashed (useful at most American sporting events).

I am so glad I have surrounded myself with the sort of people that is this "everyone" is instead "no one."

What's wrong with Bruce Springsteen, or his fans?
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:10 am UTC

It is difficult to articulate but it is definitely a thing.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby ObsessoMom » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:03 am UTC

Changing the U.S. national anthem to "Born in the U.S.A." would be a xenophobic slap in the face of every good, decent citizen who is an immigrant.

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Sizik » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:28 am UTC

If we're going with modern songs, Neil Diamond's "America" would be a better fit.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:32 am UTC

you are upping bruce springsteen with neil diamond

you are literally killing me
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Adam H » Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:14 pm UTC

Let's just make it 16 Military Wives by the Decemberists. CAUSE AMERICA DOES IF AMERICA SAYS IT'S SO, BABY!

In all seriousness, pretty much any contemporary song would be the worst anthem in the world. Especially Born in the USA.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Whizbang » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:44 pm UTC

What about "We Are The Champions"?

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:50 pm UTC

Seriously.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby JudeMorrigan » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:16 pm UTC

Aside from We Are the Champions, I'm pretty sure these latest suggestions would pretty much be the Star Trek:Enterprise-ization of our national anthem. ;)

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Quercus » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:27 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:What about "We Are The Champions"?


Surely if that's going to be a national anthem it should be the British one (maybe after we finally do away with the monarchy we can shift our allegiance to a different Queen).

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Lazar » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:49 pm UTC

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:22 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
Whizbang wrote:What about "We Are The Champions"?


Surely if that's going to be a national anthem it should be the British one (maybe after we finally do away with the monarchy we can shift our allegiance to a different Queen).

But you see that is precisely what is great about America!
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Whizbang » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:32 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHSjv9gxlE



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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:53 pm UTC

You mean a crush.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Whizbang » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:06 pm UTC

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby doogly » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:11 pm UTC

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Lucrece » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:19 am UTC

Are all the males here Barry White or something, that it seems hard for them to hit the note? Nobody's asking you belt out ala Whitney Houston.

I like the anthem, for what it's worth. I don't care who wrote it, otherwise I'd hate pretty much all of reggae given the people behind it are often virulently homophobic and good god I'd hate Guns N' Roses given some of the statements made by the artists. I'd hate a lot of art if I paid attention to the hard leftist propaganda said artists often participate in -- I adore Susan Sarandon and I actually like Sean Penn, but I find their politics despicable. I could not afford to play videogames at all given their rather imperfect representations, etc.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Quercus » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:31 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:Are all the males here Barry White or something, that it seems hard for them to hit the note? Nobody's asking you belt out ala Whitney Houston.


My vocal range without (horrible) falsetto is about an octave and a third*. The Star Spangled Banner covers a range of an octave and a fifth, so I literally can't hit the top note without dropping an octave. Luckily I'm not American, so I don't have to.

*untrained - I could probably substantially increase that with training and practice

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:39 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:Are all the males here Barry White or something,
No, my vocal range is much worse than Barry White's. Mr. White has the option to start super low and raise his pitch the appropriate distance. He also has the training to cover that distance in the short time the song gives you.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby addams » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:31 am UTC

Yes!
The National Anthem should be Changed.

I want This Land is Your Land; This Land is My Land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE4H0k8TDgw

I think America The Beautiful is good, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDxGQcNq0QI

This America is a compromise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDxGQcNq0QI

That's how much I think it should change.
Compromise is ok, I guess
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby cyanyoshi » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:48 am UTC

Apparently some people thought that America The Beautiful really was the national anthem at last year's Super Bowl, as pointed out by Jon Stewart and Tumblr. Maybe it wouldn't be too big of a hurdle to change the national anthem after all (well, at least if it were strictly in English).

While we are suggesting alternatives, we also have Chester. It's not as well-known as most of the other songs listed here, but at least it's about the American Revolution!

Lyrics:
Spoiler:
Let tyrants shake their iron rod,
And Slav'ry clank her galling chains,
We fear them not, we trust in God,
New England's God forever reigns.

Howe and Burgoyne and Clinton too,
With Prescot and Cornwallis join'd,
Together plot our Overthrow,
In one Infernal league combin'd.

When God inspir'd us for the fight,
Their ranks were broke, their lines were forc'd,
Their ships were Shatter'd in our sight,
Or swiftly driven from our Coast.

The Foe comes on with haughty Stride;
Our troops advance with martial noise,
Their Vet'rans flee before our Youth,
And Gen'rals yield to beardless Boys.

What grateful Off'ring shall we bring?
What shall we render to the Lord?
Loud Halleluiahs let us Sing,
And praise his name on ev'ry Chord.
But yeah...I still like The Star-Spangled Banner better.

On another note, Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue was played so many times after 9/11, you could almost swear it was the national anthem. I dare you to come up with a lyric more American than "'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass / It's the American way."

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby addams » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:03 pm UTC

That was a fun post.
The links led Wonderful Places.

You Win!
You are the Winnest Winner of All.

America The Beautiful it is!
First we can learn to sing it in our Mother's Tongue.

Then! For Yucks and Giggles we can require it be sung in two other languages to meet the Requirements of Citizenship.

Any Two Others!
How much Fun will That be??

It will be Great!
Study Clubs will form.

Will the Testers let it pass if a person learns the first half in French, Second half in Spanish?
Then on their Second try, uses Contonese for the first half and Dutch for the second half?

I'd think we would not have to know what the sounds mean.
Just sing them, get proof you passed and move to the next Test.

What other requirements of Citizenship should we have?
Algebra or singing a passing rendition of Tom Dulley or SummerTime, when the living is easy?

As long as we are Dreaming,
Let's Dream Big!
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby SuperSteve » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:25 am UTC

Angua wrote:Do Americans not have to sing their national anthem in school? That surprises me.

I must say, I did always find it odd that you have an anthem that's so hard to sing.


Up to about age 10, we said the Pledge of Allegiance (prose, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all", stated, not sung), and then sang the first verse of America ("My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing...") to the tune of the British anthem (God save the King/Queen). Starting at about age 11, we did said the pledge, and didn't sing. I only remember trying to sing the U.S. anthem in school once, and that was in a music class.

[The pledge was pretty meaningless to the younger children. We didn't know what the word "allegiance" meant and I thought the phrase "for which it stands" was "for witch's stands", as in kiosks owned by women who practiced witchcraft. The phrase "to the flag of the United States and to the republic for which it stands" should have been "to the United States of America and to its flag". The "for which it stands" sentence structure is too complex, and loyalty to the country should come before loyalty to its symbol.]

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby addams » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:57 am UTC

SuperSteve wrote:
Angua wrote:Do Americans not have to sing their national anthem in school? That surprises me.

I must say, I did always find it odd that you have an anthem that's so hard to sing.


Up to about age 10, we said the Pledge of Allegiance (prose, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all", stated, not sung), and then sang the first verse of America ("My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing...") to the tune of the British anthem (God save the King/Queen). Starting at about age 11, we did said the pledge, and didn't sing. I only remember trying to sing the U.S. anthem in school once, and that was in a music class.

[The pledge was pretty meaningless to the younger children. We didn't know what the word "allegiance" meant and I thought the phrase "for which it stands" was "for witch's stands", as in kiosks owned by women who practiced witchcraft. The phrase "to the flag of the United States and to the republic for which it stands" should have been "to the United States of America and to its flag". The "for which it stands" sentence structure is too complex, and loyalty to the country should come before loyalty to its symbol.]

So fun.
You, just, learned it; Like a Normal Person.

Each and every one of us has a unique story and a unique relationship with The Pledge and The Anthem.
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I asked my GrandFather to help me.
I did not learn The Flag Pledge, that night.

I learned that GrandPa Does Not Pledge to a Flag.
I don't have to, if I don't want to.

But; If I choose to or Not to...
At no time do I have The Right to disparage or disrupt the beliefs and prayers of others.

Of course, I chose Not to.
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I stood silently, hands at my sides while you,
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I was still getting used to my name.

I know The Pledge.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby ahammel » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:56 pm UTC

SuperSteve wrote:The pledge was pretty meaningless to the younger children. We didn't know what the word "allegiance" meant and I thought the phrase "for which it stands" was "for witch's stands", as in kiosks owned by women who practiced witchcraft.

"I pledge allegiance to Queen Fragg, and her mighty state of Hysteria…"
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby addams » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:23 pm UTC

ahammel!
That's great.
Do you know the rest of The Fractured Flag Pledge?

Some of those Lady McGreens are great fun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen

Spoiler:
So funny; I got the misinterpreted word Wrong.
I had to remember the correct words to find the word for the Wrong words.


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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

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Fractured Pledge of allegiance wrote:I pledge allergens, to Queen Fragg, and her mighty state of Hysteria
And to rip up lick, for witchs' stands
one nation's, undergrad
with libraries, and juice mints, feral.

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby addams » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:39 am UTC

"Laid him on the green."
Became, "Lady Mondegreen."

Now; Adults use a child's misunderstanding in academic literature.
The unfolding of our intellectual lives is interesting.

Did we Pick a new song?
If it's a good one, I might hum along.

edit: Oh, Beautiful?
At least that song does not make liars out of children.
The US is a beautiful country.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby thefargo » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:19 pm UTC

How about this (to the tune of Findlandia - aka Be Still My Soul) :

"This is my song, O God of all the nations,
a song of peace for lands afar and mine;
this is my home, the country where my heart is;
here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine:
but other hearts in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.

My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
and sunlight beams on cloverleaf and pine;
but other lands have sunlight too, and clover,
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine:
O hear my song, thou God of all the nations,
a song of peace for their land and for mine."

It acknowledges that you love your country mostly by virtue of the fact that you live there, which is probably the most realistic reason for most people's patriotism.

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby addams » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:58 am UTC

thefargo !
That's Great!

How hard is it to Sing?
Does it have a Catchy Tune?

That is The Perfect Song for the US.
The Media has closed the borders of her mind.
That song may begin to reopen her mind.
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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby thefargo » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:36 pm UTC

You can here it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8FPOjgX07c

I think it is pretty approachable to sing. Personally, I'd speed up the tempo a bit compared to this rendition.

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Re: Should we change the national anthem?

Postby krogoth » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:39 pm UTC

For the states
Beat Crusade - Hit in the USA

simple catchy, :P
come on I had to.

for my country, in not so sure, maybe something simple as well
Slim Dusty - Waltzing Matilda.
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