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Mental support for pedophiles

Postby PolakoVoador » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:07 pm UTC

This thread idea was originated from a particulary good piece of journalism I saw today in brazilian media.

First, definitions: according to the medics interviewed, "pedophile" is the person "who has frequent and/or intense sexual fantasies, activities or practices with children younger than 13". I'll consider this the formal definition of the word, unless of course, someone points me to a better one. Using this definition, it's argued that not all pedophiles are sexual aggressors, and not all sexual aggressors are pedophiles.

I don't how it works in other countries, but currently in Brazil, a pedophile will "just" be locked up in jail for a number of years, without any psychological treatment. They're not treated as potential mental patients, but as regular criminal. It seems to me that just locking up someone and then sending him/her back to society will not solve this indivudal's problems.

Of course some people argue that the only solution is prison for life for any child sexual aggressor, since they would be "unrecoverable" individuals, a position I currently don't see much evidence supporting it.

There's also the fact (according to the report) that close to none pedophiles look for help and treatment prior to being arrested for either commiting sexual assault or possession of child pornography.

I believe this issues stems from the severe stigmatization that comes with pedophilia in general, which should make most people unconfortable to open up their problems even with medical staff.

Should the government provide mental care for people arrested for pedophilia? Can anything be done to make it easier for pedophiles to look for help?

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:55 pm UTC

We had this discussion a while back, regarding whether or not psychiatrists should be required to disclose to the police if someone was a pedophile (but hadn't committed a crime). Our conclusion, IIRC, was that anything that gets the pedophiles to a psychiatrist's office before a crime occurs is a benefit to society, and the requiring disclosure would backfire horribly.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby elasto » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:58 pm UTC

Society has come a long way in recognizing that a gay person can no more choose or control their sexual feelings towards adults of the same sex than a heterosexual person can choose or control their sexual feelings towards adults of the opposite sex. I think it still has a long way to go in having similar sympathies towards pedophiles, who in my view have no more control either.

Since pedophiles having actual sexual relationships with children is not an option, voluntary celibacy is their only moral choice - but, damn, for most gay/heterosexuals, lifelong celibacy would be something of a nightmare. So why would it be any different for a pedophile? They deserve society's pity and support, not its disgust.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:20 pm UTC

Most gay men I've met have plenty of heterosexual sex, even more than me (though that's not hard). It's not so much 'never allowed to have sex' so much as 'only allowed to have sex people you aren't attracted to'. It sucks of course, but until we have "trans children" there isn't an alternative.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby WilliamLehnsherr » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:28 am UTC

Mental support sounds like a good idea. Anything that might prevent pain and suffering in victims is a good idea (except for all the examples I thought up as soon as I wrote that sentence).

CorruptUser wrote:We had this discussion a while back, regarding whether or not psychiatrists should be required to disclose to the police if someone was a pedophile (but hadn't committed a crime). Our conclusion, IIRC, was that anything that gets the pedophiles to a psychiatrist's office before a crime occurs is a benefit to society, and the requiring disclosure would backfire horribly.


Yeah, I agree. I'd even go as far to say that there's nothing inherently wrong with being a pedophile, provided you never act on it. In the same way there's nothing wrong with wanting to kill someone, provided you never actually get off your arse and pull the trigger.

Wait, did I essentially just say what really religious people often say to homosexuals? Dammit....

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Cleverbeans » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:32 am UTC

Pedophilia has been established as a sexual orientation for some time now, and there is no known way to change it. I feel as though they should have the option to voluntarily accept chemical castration. I know some countries offer it to sex offenders in exchange for reduces sentences but I would like to think they could opt-in without having to go to jail. Also, I feel the stigma and discrimination against pedophiles leads to more sexual assaults. If pedophiles could talk openly about their orientation without fear they could get more support from peers to help them curb the impulse and find healthier alternatives to expressing their sexuality. It's a tough problem though, I spend a lot of time trying to work on it but there are few clear answers.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby elasto » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:18 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Most gay men I've met have plenty of heterosexual sex, even more than me (though that's not hard). It's not so much 'never allowed to have sex' so much as 'only allowed to have sex people you aren't attracted to'. It sucks of course, but until we have "trans children" there isn't an alternative.

Maybe we're talking semantics here, but for me that wouldn't be a gay man that'd be a bisexual one. I'd have expected that a gay man would find having sex with a woman as abhorrent as I'd find sex with a man to be. And I'd likewise expect a true pedophile - as opposed to a bi-pedo(?) - to find having sex with an adult as abhorrent as I'd find having sex with a man or a gay man would find having sex with a woman.

Like I say, though, maybe you're telling me that there's actually very few 'gays', that almost all are actually bisexual. And maybe the same is true for most pedophiles too. That would make life for them slightly less nightmarish it's true.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby aoeu » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:42 am UTC

If this became a thing it would be curious to see how it dealt with pedophiles vs anyone who has dabbled below the age of consent.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby elasto » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:55 pm UTC

The public and media often conflate the two, but for me there's clear blue water between being attracted to someone post-pubescent but below whatever age of consent is currently in fashion and being attracted to someone pre-pubescent.

There may be good, sound wisdom in having an age of consent of 16+ but biologically it's long past the point where sex can be willingly and enthusiastically consented to.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Mokele » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:34 pm UTC

WilliamLehnsherr wrote:Wait, did I essentially just say what really religious people often say to homosexuals? Dammit....


Yes, but there's a big difference between "suppress this harmless action at personal cost because my invisible sky pyxie said so" and "suppress this action at personal cost because it will tremendously harm others"
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:11 pm UTC

elasto wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:Most gay men I've met have plenty of heterosexual sex, even more than me (though that's not hard). It's not so much 'never allowed to have sex' so much as 'only allowed to have sex people you aren't attracted to'. It sucks of course, but until we have "trans children" there isn't an alternative.


Maybe we're talking semantics here, but for me that wouldn't be a gay man that'd be a bisexual one.


Then gay men are few are far between...

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Mother Superior » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:06 pm UTC

elasto wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:Most gay men I've met have plenty of heterosexual sex, even more than me (though that's not hard). It's not so much 'never allowed to have sex' so much as 'only allowed to have sex people you aren't attracted to'. It sucks of course, but until we have "trans children" there isn't an alternative.

Maybe we're talking semantics here, but for me that wouldn't be a gay man that'd be a bisexual one. I'd have expected that a gay man would find having sex with a woman as abhorrent as I'd find sex with a man to be. And I'd likewise expect a true pedophile - as opposed to a bi-pedo(?) - to find having sex with an adult as abhorrent as I'd find having sex with a man or a gay man would find having sex with a woman.

Like I say, though, maybe you're telling me that there's actually very few 'gays', that almost all are actually bisexual. And maybe the same is true for most pedophiles too. That would make life for them slightly less nightmarish it's true.

I think your mistake lies in assuming all other heterosexuals find having gay sex as abhorrent a thought as you do.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:28 am UTC

I think his mistake is in assuming that gay men find sex with women abhorrent.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Mother Superior » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:35 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I think his mistake is in assuming that gay men find sex with women abhorrent.

Well yes, but he said that he based that on his own feelings on gay sex, so...
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby elasto » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:18 am UTC

Mother Superior wrote:I think your mistake lies in assuming all other heterosexuals find having gay sex as abhorrent a thought as you do.

Again, I think we're just talking semantics, because for me if a man doesn't find gay sex a turn-off then I'd say they are bisexual not heterosexual.

CorruptUser wrote:I think his mistake is in assuming that gay men find sex with women abhorrent.


Ditto. For me if they don't find it abhorrent then they're not gay.

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Anyhow, not sure how relevant this all is. What you're both implying - which I guess is that most people are bisexual - doesn't necessarily help us know if most pedophiles are bi-age-ual. Hopefully for their sake they are though. Would make their life more bearable.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby WilliamLehnsherr » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:17 am UTC

I wouldn't say that having no interest in straight sex is the same as finding straight sex abhorrent.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby elasto » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:14 am UTC

Nor would I. I'd describe that as asexuality, but maybe there's a more technical term.

Don't think it changes the fact that if someone's only option is to have sex with someone they have no sexual interest in it's not going to be good for their mental health. Sure, it's less bad if they are merely not turned-on vs being turned-off but either way it's not great.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Xenomortis » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:12 am UTC

So a guy that's physically attracted to men and wants sex with men, is not interested in women but doesn't find the idea of sex with them abhorrent - merely uninteresting, is bisexual? Or asexual?
Because they sound homosexual to me.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby elasto » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:02 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:So a guy that's physically attracted to men and wants sex with men, is not interested in women but doesn't find the idea of sex with them abhorrent - merely uninteresting, is bisexual? Or asexual?
Because they sound homosexual to me.


Is that very important to the topic of the thread? I'd say all terms have merit depending on context. Obviously sexually is a continuum from attraction-indifference-repulsion so where the lines are drawn are not going to be well-defined between straight, bisexual, asexual and gay - and in any particular real-world instance I will of course defer to anyone's self-description.

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This thread has turned a bit weird. Maybe I'll try to summarize my point to get things back on track and away from what seems to be turning into pedantry and hair-splitting:

- It's possible for people to just be sexually attracted to one grouping (adult women, say) and be repulsed by sex with the other groupings (adult men and children, say)
- I know that for at least one such instance, such sexual attraction was not a choice
- I assume by symmetry that there will be people who are sexually attracted to a different grouping and be repulsed by sex with the others
- I would expect that for many/most/all of those people, such sexual attraction was not a choice either
- This assumption could of course be wrong, but that would surprise me. I have never heard of a straight person choosing his orientation and I am assured that people who are gay didn't make a choice either, so why would pedophiles have made a choice?
- For those who are not at either extreme of gay or straight - those who are bisexual - they will have the option of having sex with their 'second choice'. It might be less satisfying psychologically but at least it's a possibility.
- For those at the equivalent extreme of pedophilia (who are not the pedophilia version of bisexual) there are no moral, psychologically satisfying choices. Someone sexually attracted to adults who cannot find a relationship can turn to pornography and prostitution as poor but perfectly moral substitutes. A pedophile does not even have that. They therefore deserve our sympathy and pity: They are in an impossible situation through no fault of their own.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby 12obin » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:09 am UTC

Just want to throw in that roleplay and things like hentai are pretty viable for some folks.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby ManaUser » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:24 am UTC

One pitfall related to this is that coercion and support are not very compatible (to put it mildly). So we've got a situation where criminals have to be punished (barring some really major redesign of the justice system) but at the same time we want to help them become better people. In a way the goal is the same, but the methods are almost opposites. So how do you do both? Clearly this dilemma isn't limited to pedophilia, but it very much applies to it.

Coercing people to get "help" not only makes them less receptive, in my opinion it also has a corrupting effect on the therapists so that they start to see patients as adversaries instead of clients. And that makes them less effective as well. Basically you can't be both a therapist and a jailor.

The only way I can think of to get around this is to keep those two things as separate as possible. Confinement shouldn't be contingent on treatment, and treatment should always be voluntary. That doesn't mean someone who's in prison can't also be offered treatment, but the therapists and the jailors should not be the same people. And in fact should not work for the same agency, or attempt to cooperate in any way

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Hemmers » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:07 pm UTC

ManaUser wrote:Coercing people to get "help" not only makes them less receptive, in my opinion it also has a corrupting effect on the therapists so that they start to see patients as adversaries instead of clients. And that makes them less effective as well. Basically you can't be both a therapist and a jailor.

The only way I can think of to get around this is to keep those two things as separate as possible. Confinement shouldn't be contingent on treatment, and treatment should always be voluntary. That doesn't mean someone who's in prison can't also be offered treatment, but the therapists and the jailors should not be the same people. And in fact should not work for the same agency, or attempt to cooperate in any way


I dunno. Norway manages this balance quite well in their Halden prison.
They treat prison as a place that you confine someone who is a threat to the public whilst you work with them on rehabilitation, as opposed to the idea that it is a punishment in and of itself.
I believe the emphasis is on the idea that "You made some bad life choices, so we're going to work through them - that might involve counselling, education, training, whatever you need, and then you can go again when we're happy you're not going to harm yourselves or others."

Also, they have rules restricting prison stays to something like 21 years max, so you can't just lock someone away and throw away the key - there is an emphasis on the fact that one day you are actually going to be forced to release them, so they'd best be fit for society by that point. This is a totally different ethos to American prisons, or in fact prisons in most countries.
But... Norway also has an extremely low rate of re-offending, so they're evidently doing something right.

The difference however is their jailors have all taken 2 year college courses. They're not just security guards who have been given a 3 week primer on stopping people escaping. They have a formal background in counselling, issues surrounding addiction, etc, etc.

This means their prisons are expensive - expensive to run, expensive to staff. But they figure it's better to spend a lot of money on someone's 3 year prison stay and have them work and pay taxes the rest of their life than to spend the bare minimum and have the same faces in and out every 6 months for 20 years (incurring costs in repeated Police and court costs - all things being equal 20 years of prison in twenty 1 year chunks with 20 arrests and trials costs more for the judiciary as a whole than being put away for a single 20 year stretch).



With respect to the original OP.
Paedophilia is a sexual orientation. It is not a crime (in most jurisdictions*) - that would be child molestation - in much the same way as being heterosexual is not a crime but raping someone is.

I saw a really interesting interview with an American psychiatric counsellor a while back. He used to get people coming to him - some of whom were concerned about the feelings they had towards children (but who had done nothing wrong), and some of whom had crossed the line and engaged in illegal activities with children. He typically helped them, on the principle that what was done couldn't be undone - even by a really long prison spell - but he could prevent further harm.

His state then passed a law overruling doctor-patient confidentiality that required him to report both people who had confessed to crimes and people who were "at risk" of committing those sorts of crimes, so innocent paedophiles as well as actual child molesters.
Ethically, he had to advise all patients of this at the start of a consultation, and unsurprisingly the number of patients dwindled over the next 6-12 months. No doubt those individuals are still out there, some of them will have continued those illegal activities, until such a time as they were caught (if they were caught).

There is an intriguing balancing act then of harm vs "justice".
- You have someone who has done harm, and you can catch them and hold them to account, but only if you allow them to commit further harm that gives you the opportunity to gather evidence against them (because you didn't catch them the first time around).
- Or you can draw a line under that and move them on, help them to move away from the area, find a new job that doesn't involve contact with children, etc, etc.

What's better? Well, victim A wants to see justice done. But that won't undo what was done to them - only give them the satisfaction of seeing the subject go down for x years.
But for potential future victim B(/C/D/E/F)? Is it more important that they don't come to harm or that harm is done so you can hold the perp to account for the acts against both them and victim A?

You're weighing up justice against total harm caused, which is really difficult, and arguably can't be legislated for effectively** due to the strong variables that could exist from case to case.


* Australia has a couple of intriguing situations where individuals have been jailed exclusively and solely for possession of cartoon child porn. Show me the victim there. I don't sympathise, I find child porn repulsive, but I can't see that that is especially a good use of public resource given no child was actually harmed).

** Clearly it has been legislated for, how well thsoe laws work in all use cases is definitely up for debate, along with the whole balance of punishment vs rehabilitation that judiciaries frequently struggle with.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Ormurinn » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:00 pm UTC

Hemmers wrote:
Also, they have rules restricting prison stays to something like 21 years max, so you can't just lock someone away and throw away the key - there is an emphasis on the fact that one day you are actually going to be forced to release them, so they'd best be fit for society by that point. This is a totally different ethos to American prisons, or in fact prisons in most countries.
But... Norway also has an extremely low rate of re-offending, so they're evidently doing something right.


You're looking at a chicken-or-egg situation here though.

Norway has a therapeutic as opposed to punishment oriented prison system, and low reoffending rates/low crime rates in general.

Are the low crime rates and low rates of rehabilitation due to the therapeutic prison system? Or is it possible for Norway to have a therapeutic (and therefore intensive and expensive) prison system *because* of their low crime rates?
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:07 pm UTC

Quite sure that all groups of people naturally have similar levels of propensity for crime and vice. Norway's low crime rate is due to a better system of some sort. Hell, it might not be the criminal justice system but rather a better educational system, but whatever they have it's working better than in the US.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby HungryHobo » Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:44 pm UTC

I'll be kind of interested in what the reaction is when japan starts producing realistic animatronic sex bots... then within days ones which look like kids.

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It was a part of the plot of stross's book Rule 34 where it was banned


it would be a toss-up between the people who want to allow it and view it as a way to reduce risk to children by giving pedophiles an ethical alternative and the people who want to ban it and burn anyone possessing one as a logical extension of anti child-porn laws.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Ormurinn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:59 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Quite sure that all groups of people naturally have similar levels of propensity for crime and vice. Norway's low crime rate is due to a better system of some sort. Hell, it might not be the criminal justice system but rather a better educational system, but whatever they have it's working better than in the US.


I'm genuinely in awe that you actually think this.

You don't think culture can affect how violent different groups of people are? How much respect for others property they have? How respectful of consent they are?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s/table-43

Compare with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... _ethnicity

That's different groups of people in *one* country showing wildly divergent levels of criminality. Imagine how much more divergence you will get between countries!

I may be misunderstanding - maybe to you culture is a "system" so for instance the group "Asian and Pacific Islanders" has a better system (cultures) than other groups. I still think that's misguided and that that kind of human-neurological-uniformity affirming blank-slatism is incorrect;

http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/07/12 ... -you-need/

So I would expect differences in populations rates of criminality and potential for rehabilitation even in the case that we subjected all populations to the same culture, due to genetic factors. For instance, prevalence of the MAOA gene, which causes increased aggression, varies by ethnic group.

That in itself assumes that culture isn't downstream of genetics, which it probably is - for instance populations which historically spoke tonal languages have higher prevalences of an older variant of the ASPM gene; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASPM_(gene)
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:17 pm UTC

You do realize that 'culture' is part of the system, right?

If you were to take 1000 Chinese and 1000 African babies, stuck them in adoptive families in the same country, they'd all be pretty damn close to each other in terms of crime rates. There is no "shoplifting gene" nor a "rape gene" that exists with higher prevalence among different ethnicities.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Ormurinn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:20 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:You do realize that 'culture' is part of the system, right?

If you were to take 100 Chinese, 100 Italian, 100 Zimbabwean, 100 Bengali, 100 Arab babies, stick them in adoptive families in Sweden, they'd all be pretty damn close to each other in terms of crime rates. There is no "rape gene" that exists with higher prevalence among different ethnicities.


Yeah - I addressed that - "maybe to you culture is a "system" so for instance the group "Asian and Pacific Islanders" has a better system (cultures) than other groups"

It was sounding as if you were suggesting the U.S could adopt the Norwegian penal system and expect it to work well. If you acknowledge that the Norwegian penal system likely only works in a Norwegian cultural mileu then it seems we're in violent agreement.

It's very likely there would still be some slight difference in crime rates due to genetic factors, as I said, but whatever, I agree culture is more significant.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:25 pm UTC

I really doubt that there is any evolutionary pressures that would select for 'more stealing' amongst any population. Humans are social animals, and the genes that benefit the individual at the expense of the group would be bred out pretty quickly.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Ormurinn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:32 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I really doubt that there is any evolutionary pressures that would select for 'more stealing' amongst any population. Humans are social animals, and the genes that benefit the individual at the expense of the group would be bred out pretty quickly.


You seem to be advocating group selectionism here - which isn't a thing. Heres a good article on the subject http://lesswrong.com/lw/kw/the_tragedy_ ... ectionism/

Its unlikely there's a "stealing" gene. However, time preference is highly heritable (Theres a Carpenter paper from 2011 showing this which I can't seem to find) and there are genes related to increased aggression.

If we have a population which is more present oriented and more aggressive, on a statistical level, than other populations in a country, I would expect them to perform more muggings and burglaries on average than other populations, even if they had an identical culture
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:11 pm UTC

Isn't Lesswrong merely Eliazer Yudkowski's personality cult? You need better sources.

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Ormurinn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:22 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Isn't Lesswrong merely Eliazer Yudkowski's personality cult? You need better sources.


Funnily enough I agree with you there - doesn't change that his explanation of the problems with group selectionism is really good.

I don't agree that its super important we build an AI nerd god and that if we don't we'll all die, and I find the weird cuddlepile-polygamy stuff disgusting. It's still a good explanation though, and is internally logically consistent, and references experiments that actually happened.

Heres some more stuff though.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... selection/

http://edge.org/conversation/the-false- ... -selection

You can sometimes get limited group selection if you're own kids are less closely related to you than someone elses, which sounds weird, but is the case in ants and bees - and lo and behold, they have genuine eusociality.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby HungryHobo » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:36 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I really doubt that there is any evolutionary pressures that would select for 'more stealing' amongst any population. Humans are social animals, and the genes that benefit the individual at the expense of the group would be bred out pretty quickly.


You wouldn't expect to see much more variation than you would in say, height, pain threshold, tendency towards addiction or tolerance to toxic chemicals.

Yet we do see differences in these things. For example height varies quite a lot in different populations and founder effects in some countries lead to a lot of gingers who genuinely do have measurable differences in pain threshold.

An average resident of Hong Kong is quite a lot shorter than an average resident of Iceland.

You wouldn't expect to see massive differences in genes which affect temperament but there's also no such thing as a default human.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:13 pm UTC

Can you cite any legit study showing that, eg, one group is genetically significantly more aggressive than another?

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby PAstrychef » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:34 pm UTC

Saturday on NPR there was a story about a young man seeking help for his predilections when he was in high school, and the ways he worked with a therapist to cope. I can't find a link, alas, I'm not sure if it was on This American Life or Re-Sound. It discussed the idea of pre-emptive treatment. If it works, even in just helping people not offend, then it would be a great stride in dealing with the problem.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby Ormurinn » Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:56 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Can you cite any legit study showing that, eg, one group is genetically significantly more aggressive than another?


Lea et al (2007) showed that New Zealand Maori carry a MAO-A gene variant that's been associated with aggression at a rate several times that of New Zealand Europeans. Maori also have higher rates of domestic violence and assault than their Europe an descended neighbours.

Of course, those higher rates of violent behaviour could be due entirely to culture, but there's very strong evidence for MAO-A mutations playing a role in aggression. 5-repeat MAO-A carriers are heavily overrepresented in perpetrators of violent crime for instance.
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:18 pm UTC

If true, what's your solution?

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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby PAstrychef » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:03 am UTC

And what does any of this have to do with the topic?
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Re: Mental support for pedophiles

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:07 am UTC

TBH, I don't know. Something about some sort of genetic screening for pedophelia or something? I'm not sure what Orm is getting at.


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