0762: "Analogies"

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0762: "Analogies"

Postby rwald » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:47 am UTC

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Title text: I just call all of them 'synecdoche'.

At least they didn't try for a chiasmus; that might have infringed on Yakov Smirnoff's trademark.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Ivan227 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:50 am UTC

and why is the girl making the sandwich?

knock it off with the sexism.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby tedgarb » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:54 am UTC

She's making the sandwich because one of the guys said "sudo make a sandwich" and she decided to offer to make some for the other people while she was up!

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby torontoraptor » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:55 am UTC

Ivan227 wrote:and why is the girl making the sandwich?

knock it off with the sexism.



Why are you assuming thats a girl, knock it off with the sexism (lookism?)
XD


In actual comic related discussion, I never could keep them straight, similes are closed books to me.




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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Prokaryote » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:02 am UTC

I don't think "a simile is like a metaphor" is a simile, or at least is not a very good one

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Omegaton » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:06 am UTC

In trying to keep up with this comic, my mind exploded.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby LordHuffnPuff » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:08 am UTC

Ivan227 wrote:and why is the girl making the sandwich?


I thought the same thing. "Woman, make me a sammich" is what this smacks of!
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby almafuerte » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:15 am UTC

Thank you, Randall.

I've been very worried the last month or so. We've been having a rush of unimaginative, irrelevant, forgettable xkcds lately. This one is truly outstanding. This is one to remember and post everywhere. A new "obligatory" xkcd to post on /.

Keep up the great work.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:15 am UTC

Twice yesterday I said "It's like a metaphor", leading to various related humour. But nothing as far gone as this.

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BTW, needlessly saying 'like' as punctuation is called an 'improper simile'. I coined that term myself, and if it catches on, that would be, like, yeah.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby L33tsaber » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:19 am UTC

I actually gave a hearty chuckle at this one. Which, in a hotel after midnight, was probably not the best thing I could have done.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Faranya » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:20 am UTC

Prokaryote wrote:I don't think "a simile is like a metaphor" is a simile, or at least is not a very good one


It is a simile, but you have piqued my interest. How does one determine the quality of a simile?
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Mavrisa » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:20 am UTC

Prokaryote wrote:I don't think "a simile is like a metaphor" is a simile, or at least is not a very good one

1) Yep, it is.
2) How do you rate the quality of a simile?

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby lsdigit » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:22 am UTC

Why does this one seem so familiar, almost like I have read it before.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Switch31 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:25 am UTC

This one made me smile.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby lsdigit » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:28 am UTC

LordHuffnPuff wrote:
Ivan227 wrote:and why is the girl making the sandwich?


I thought the same thing. "Woman, make me a sammich" is what this smacks of!


actually maybe it is a hidden pun, metaphor lunch!, geddit, she's making the food, so they 'metaphor lunch'. No. No. sorry.

maybe they guys were just hinting at a threesome, but that wouldnt be funny at all.


metaphor lunch *teee hee* *titter* even
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby CogitoSum » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:34 am UTC

It made much less sense the first time I read it, seeing `smile' instead of simile...



metaphor lunch *tee hee hee

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby FCN » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:36 am UTC

This comic did not lack litotes.

No, wait, I guess it did.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Prokaryote » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:41 am UTC

Faranya wrote:
Prokaryote wrote:I don't think "a simile is like a metaphor" is a simile, or at least is not a very good one


It is a simile, but you have piqued my interest. How does one determine the quality of a simile?


Meh, I've always thought that a simile is a comparison between unlike things that you wouldn't normally draw a connection between (using like or as)

Edit: I guess I'm wondering if every comparison using like or as is necessarily a simile? I don't think this is the case.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby RetSpline » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:44 am UTC

LordHuffnPuff wrote:
Ivan227 wrote:and why is the girl making the sandwich?


I thought the same thing. "Woman, make me a sammich" is what this smacks of!
Er, she's making a sandwich because (presumably) she's already going to be in the kitchen for some other related task. "While I'm up," and such. I know at least among my friends if one of us is going to get a drink or grab a snack, we'll offer to get some for any of the rest of the party.

I quite liked this one actually. I've had similar (though by no means as drawn-out) humorous conversations with my friends in English class in the past.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby natey » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:46 am UTC

Oh my god! A vanishing television!

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby lsdigit » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:51 am UTC

natey wrote:Oh my god! A vanishing television!


what yours doesn't? must be broke.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby japanese_jew » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:54 am UTC

Is the idea that synecdoche is a synecdoche of the set of things that relate one word or idea to another word or idea? Sort of weak. Synecdoche is more a kind of metonymy than analogy.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby natey » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:59 am UTC

lsdigit wrote:
natey wrote:Oh my god! A vanishing television!


what yours doesn't? must be broke.

I lost mine.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby BlazeOrangeDeer » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:03 am UTC

I though a synecdoche was using something closely related to stand for the thing itself, as in "the white house announced today..." instead of "the Obama administration announced today...". That isn't really an analogy, is it? And I don't know how similes and metaphors would both fall in that category, or if I'm totally wrong....

EDIT: ok, wikipedia says that i had metonymy and synecdoche mixed up, or my lang teacher did? I still think analogy is broadest, followed by metaphor, then simile and synecdoche branch off, and metonymy is part of synecdoche. idk

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby bitwiseshiftleft » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:08 am UTC

Faranya wrote:
Prokaryote wrote:I don't think "a simile is like a metaphor" is a simile, or at least is not a very good one


It is a simile, but you have piqued my interest. How does one determine the quality of a simile?


It isn't a simile. I think Wikipedia's definition of a simile is accurate:

Wikipedia wrote:A simile is a figure of speech comparing two unlike things, often introduced with the words "like", "as", or "than".


Since a simile is actually very much like a metaphor, comparing the two is not a simile. It's just a statement of fact.

Also, re the alt text:
Alison: Why is it that people say "New York" when they just mean the city? There's more to the state, you know.
Mike: Maybe they're using Schenectady.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby iabervon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:13 am UTC

I assume she's making the sandwich for herself; neither of the others asked for one.

I learned synecdoche as being, normally, "the part for the whole", which would be one piece of bread for the sandwich. And, perhaps, via a homonym, likewise for a potential metaphorical sandwich.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby sellyme » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:21 am UTC

Wow, the fact that I'm not the only one who gets this comic makes me feel warm and fuzzy. In real life (or other parts of the internet) people would just stare at me. XKCD is truly a godsend.

Oh, and the "Sandwich" part reminds me of that Yahoo Answers thing.

"Q: My husband keeps yelling at me to make him a sandwich, what's a good comeback?"

"A: You better comeback with a god damn sandwich."
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby GodShapedBullet » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:22 am UTC

Similes are a subset of metaphor. The idea that you are bad at metaphors so you are going to try a simile is, for that reason, peculiar.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Killamus » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:23 am UTC

I tried following along with this comic, now I need some advil and mind-numbing TV to help with the shock of what this did to me.

Ow.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby DragonHawk » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:24 am UTC

 
Similes are like metaphors... which are like similes... in that they're both analogies... which are like sandwiches...

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Arancaytar » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:24 am UTC

Clearly Randall has found three words he likes almost as much as "Malamanteau". :P
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby fakepants » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:38 am UTC

bitwiseshiftleft wrote:
Faranya wrote:
Prokaryote wrote:I don't think "a simile is like a metaphor" is a simile, or at least is not a very good one


It is a simile, but you have piqued my interest. How does one determine the quality of a simile?


Since a simile is actually very much like a metaphor, comparing the two is not a simile. It's just a statement of fact.


A simile is a metaphor. "A simile is like a metaphor" is not a simile, a metaphor, or even a very good statement. It's the same as saying, "Integers are like real numbers." You can't compare something to its superset. "Integers are like similes," now that would be a simile.

And nothing in this strip is a synecdoche.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby brakos82 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:57 am UTC

Omegaton wrote:In trying to keep up with this comic, my mind exploded.


You're not alone in this. Then again it's late, and I probably couldn't even add right right now. :|
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby weex » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:01 am UTC

fakepants wrote:A simile is a metaphor.

[citation needed]
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby fakepants » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:32 am UTC

weex wrote:
fakepants wrote:A simile is a metaphor.

[citation needed]
/I can't find anything in my head or on the Internet to corroborate this statement.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
Wikipedia's citation is The Oxford Companion to the English Language (1992) pp.653–55

Other things that came in a search, though I can't speak to any of the authors' expertise:
http://thewritersbag.com/writing-rules/ ... or-analogy
http://www.copyblogger.com/metaphor-sim ... ifference/
http://www.helium.com/items/349074-the- ... a-metaphor

There's also
GodShapedBullet wrote:Similes are a subset of metaphor. The idea that you are bad at metaphors so you are going to try a simile is, for that reason, peculiar.
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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby DVC » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:37 am UTC

weex wrote:
fakepants wrote:A simile is a metaphor.

[citation needed]
/I can't find anything in my head or on the Internet to corroborate this statement.


A simile is not a metaphor; but saying "a simile is a metaphor," is a metaphor.

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Dvil » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:44 am UTC

Ivan227 wrote:and why is the girl making the sandwich?

knock it off with the sexism.


Maybe she just feels like a sandwich?

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby tetsujin » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:36 am UTC

I don't get this at all...

Maybe if you used car analogies, it would help me to understand better?

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby Mr. Burke » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:43 am UTC

Who, when asked if they want a sandwich, asks if that's a metaphor for anything?

Nobody talks like that!

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Re: "Analogies" Discussion

Postby InflatableSoulmate » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:07 am UTC

I think the 'sandwich' was chosen as something that could be interpreted as a metaphor because there are two male-looking characters and one female-looking character. A sandwich, in this case, could be a term with sexual innuendo written all over it if you were amongst a group of gutter-minded individuals.

The same joke could be told using 'Eiffel Tower' if you were looking for an innuendo-wrought name of a sexual situation involving two men and one woman. Sandwich is just a little bit easier to see as being something that comes up in conversation.


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