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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby humanoftheforest » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:13 am UTC

I hate to be picky, but i don't think the top panel was reproduced quite right in the looped drawing. I don't see the little "sound rays" which indicate the coming kicker. It ought to be in the upper-left panel in the loop. Or am i missing something?
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Robin S » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:19 am UTC

I once had an idea similar to this, though the idea of having both "sides" take place simultaneously (and thus have a single character as the victim of his own revenge ad infinitum) is pure genius.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby bulbmusic5 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:21 am UTC

Re: mudge's animation

I was waiting for someone to do that. That, I think, is exactly what this comic needed.

(I'd use a quote, but it doesn't seem to work well for the attachment.)

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Robin S » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:27 am UTC

Also, it could do with being slowed down a bit. Having it take place at high-speed spoils it a bit, in my opinion.

I've just noticed this:
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Hehehe.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Csaboka » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:35 am UTC

How lucky it is that both H and A are symmetric letters. The same thing wouldn't have worked with HEHEHEHEH :)

And I've just realized that the final H is important as well, otherwise one of the guys would go AHAHAHAH...

Even the swearing has to be made by symmetric letters... Möbius strips severely limit your vocabulary, it seems :D

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby madjo » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:45 am UTC

Csaboka wrote:How lucky it is that both H and A are symmetric letters. The same thing wouldn't have worked with HEHEHEHEH :)

And I've just realized that the final H is important as well, otherwise one of the guys would go AHAHAHAH...

Even the swearing has to be made by symmetric letters... Möbius strips severely limit your vocabulary, it seems :D

But the only thing that hints you that the images get reversed is the swearing of the guy, which ends and then starts with an '!'
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Robin S » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:53 am UTC

Not even necessarily that, since "!" is also used in place of a letter partway through the word.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:03 am UTC

Experiment wrote:and you'd need a specially designed aperture plate or you'd end up seeing that right audio track being displayed on the screen as a bunch of purple lines.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby spiderqueen » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:10 am UTC

... anybody here ever read
Spoiler:
the short story "Other People"
by Neil Gaiman? It was the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this.

Love the strip, anyway. I think this is my favourite for quite some time now.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Robin S » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:20 am UTC

Have you just spoilt it for us?
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby akashra » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:21 am UTC

Guy down the road is the senior technician/manager for a large chain cinema here in Melbourne. This strip gives me an idea I'd so love to to be able to swing as a 'favour' :P
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Sinik » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:33 am UTC

And here I always thought a Mobius Strip was a strip club in Seattle.


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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby spiderqueen » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:50 am UTC

Robin S wrote:Have you just spoilt it for us?


Well, no more than Mr. Gaiman does by introducing it as a "Mobius strip of a story" in the foreword, I think? I apologise if I did - I've gone back and spoiler-tagged my post (and taken the reference in the quote out of this one).
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby stzein » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:52 am UTC

First thing I did when I saw this comic was press CTRL-P. I imagine I'm not the only one. Then I cut it out, twisted it and taped the end together, like I imagine many of you did.
Then I noticed that it didn't work... I imagine -or hope- I'm not the only one.

Now I see some of you have solved this by printing it on two sides. That idea occurred to me too, but it just destroys the idea don't you think?
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby mackprime » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:58 am UTC

I Printed out the comic part on both sides of an A4, it turneed out ok.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Markavian » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:08 am UTC

Why is he still suprised !! after being kicked for the second time? It makes sense for the first loop, but if you've just been hit by a ball that you kicked at yourself, surely you'd be less suprised the next time round... it suggests the animation can only loop twice before it doesn't make sense anymore.

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby RuBLed » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:11 am UTC

Oh my.. now I had to get some transparent projector slides and print this thing... ohhh the things xkcd force me to do..

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Mulch » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:26 am UTC

For some reason, this strip just doesn't seem as edgy as xkcd normally is.

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby sql_lall » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:42 am UTC

You know, if one said AHAHAH and the other HAHAHA, i reckon it'd give them their own identities :)
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Robin S » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:15 pm UTC

Markavian wrote:Why is he still suprised !! after being kicked for the second time? It makes sense for the first loop, but if you've just been hit by a ball that you kicked at yourself, surely you'd be less suprised the next time round... it suggests the animation can only loop twice before it doesn't make sense anymore.
If you want to rationalize it, say that it's a time loop. They wouldn't remember things which had happened more than one loop ago.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby macronencer » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:31 pm UTC

YES YES YES!!

This is one of Randall's best ever. Thank you! :D
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby jaap » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:59 pm UTC

Mulch wrote:For some reason, this strip just doesn't seem as edgy as xkcd normally is.


Hahaha! Very good.

Spoiler:
A Moebius strip only has one edge...

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Dobblesworth » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:00 pm UTC

There has been an absence of mathematical-themed strips these past weeks [I think...], so this one makes for a very good addition to xkcd.

I think the audience can really truly appreciate it if they think seriously about taking the 2-D image and projecting it into 3-D in their head, or by printing off the images and construcing a Mobius strip itself.

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Robin S » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:05 pm UTC

I disagree. The Möbius strip's important feature is topological: once you get to the "bottom" of the strip, you have to reflect in a vertical axis in order to start again at the top. I can't see how a 3d visualization would help.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby K.Raven » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:52 pm UTC

Freakin Awesome!!!

The second I saw the strip I literally LOL'ed.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby dxb338 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:05 pm UTC

Mulch wrote:For some reason, this strip just doesn't seem as edgy as xkcd normally is.


Yeah, and the story is completely one sided.

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby dxb338 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:10 pm UTC

d'oh! Sorry to double post but I had to be annoying and say this cause it just came to me...

What happens when you read a Mobius comic strip?

Spoiler:
Chirality ensues


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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Arancaytar » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:19 pm UTC

I read it this morning, but it took me until now to figure out that he's really fighting himself.

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby mudge » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:52 pm UTC

Okay, I really have to let this go. I'm going to be late to class now!

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Medders » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:57 pm UTC

Paper's good, but you can't beat a bit of transparency... :D

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Felstaff » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:11 pm UTC

Genius, or a stroke thereof.

The endless time-loop, pictured in all its simplicity using a single strip of paper. How wonderfully complex.

Reminds me of this pbf comic, which is also excellent. Although drawing the entire history of time may result in more than one strip of paper.

Actually, I guess that wouldn't work, because the second loop would be reversed and/or mirrored? I haven't got the cranial capacity to work that one out.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Dobblesworth » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:17 pm UTC

Robin S wrote:I disagree. The Möbius strip's important feature is topological: once you get to the "bottom" of the strip, you have to reflect in a vertical axis in order to start again at the top. I can't see how a 3d visualization would help.


What I was suggesting is that an assembled print-out of the strip, either done double-sided + reversed, or on transparent paper (as discussed previously), is a sure-fire way to appreciate the complexity of Mobius Fight and follow the events a little closer. Of course, seeing as someone's wasted spent several hours doing an animated gif of the comic, my idea's not so necessary now.

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby lowbart » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:39 pm UTC

gtkarber wrote:so I guess I can just look at the picture because I happen to have a computer which displays images.


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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby MotorToad » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:06 pm UTC

Heh, the comic --both original and animated-- are brilliant. I'm pretty sure the Mobius Movie has been done before, though. Has no one seen Closer? (Warning: If you haven't, don't!)
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Pesto » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:48 pm UTC

Felstaff wrote:Genius, or a stroke thereof.

The endless time-loop, pictured in all its simplicity using a single strip of paper. How wonderfully complex.

Reminds me of this pbf comic, which is also excellent. Although drawing the entire history of time may result in more than one strip of paper.

Actually, I guess that wouldn't work, because the second loop would be reversed and/or mirrored? I haven't got the cranial capacity to work that one out.

I thought you were going to link to [ulr=http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF094-Freaking_Vortex.gif]this one[/url].

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby nilbus » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:56 pm UTC

hah people beat me to it. but here's mine. :P

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby AbalidothAscendant » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:12 pm UTC

Pesto wrote:
Felstaff wrote:Genius, or a stroke thereof.

The endless time-loop, pictured in all its simplicity using a single strip of paper. How wonderfully complex.

Reminds me of this pbf comic, which is also excellent. Although drawing the entire history of time may result in more than one strip of paper.

Actually, I guess that wouldn't work, because the second loop would be reversed and/or mirrored? I haven't got the cranial capacity to work that one out.

I thought you were going to link to [ulr=http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF094-Freaking_Vortex.gif]this one[/url].

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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby yjester » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:53 pm UTC

Genious, genious, genious!! I don't know what I like more, this one or Future strip, both dealing with strange time.

And thanks for all the gifs, I didn't figured out about the chirality.
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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby xkcd_n00bz » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:57 pm UTC

So am I the only one wishing I had a few extra million lying around that could fund a feature length animated Mobius movie? Think of it, you could constantly sell tickets, there would be no need for start and end times. Patrons could enter the theater at any time during the show, stay for a while and then go when they had seen the whole thing.


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Re: "Mobius Battle" Discussion

Postby Pandercolour » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:11 pm UTC

Someone's ging to have to explain this one to me.


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