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2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:17 pm UTC
by fluffysheap
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Title Text: "Cats can be smaller than the critical limit, but they're unobservable. If one shrinks enough that it crosses the limit, it just appears to get cuter and cuter as it slowly fades from view."

The smallest possible cat is known as a Planck Kitten, and these are a candidate for dark cuteness.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:37 pm UTC
by cellocgw
So if the Schwarzchild's cat just fades from view, how do you tell it from a Cheshire's cat?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:34 pm UTC
by Heimhenge
The Cheshire Cat shows very little red shift.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:07 pm UTC
by Jorpho
There are some intriguing synergies here with https://xkcd.com/231/ . Like, what happens to intelligence if the cat is decreasing in size while being accelerated towards the observer? Or something; proof is left as an exercise.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:35 pm UTC
by tsarna
Disproven by Maine Coon kittens.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:21 pm UTC
by Ranbot
Where would Schrödinger's cat plot?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:48 pm UTC
by WriteBrainedJR
tsarna wrote:Disproven by Maine Coon kittens.

Not only that, but the entire theory fundamentally rests on the assumption that the only thing that makes cats cute is their appearance. I disagree with that assumption. The cutest kitten I've ever seen was not even close to the smallest kitten I've seen, nor was there anything remarkable about the way he looked. He was a pretty ordinary 4-month-old kitten aside from his incredibly sweet disposition.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:02 pm UTC
by keithl
I disproved this with a cat and a band saw. On the right side, my graph shows a sharp discontinuity.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:28 pm UTC
by Ranbot
This makes me wonder where the attack "panthers" in Team America fall on the plot. Are they big or small/cute or not?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:28 pm UTC
by Archgeek
I'm going to assume based on the name that is only applies directly to non-rotating fuzzballs with no net electric charge.

What of critically-sized cats with a moment of rotation (Kerr Kats?), a net electric charge (Reissner–Nordström Cats?), or both (Kerr-Newman Kats?)

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:12 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Has anyone detected the rippling waves of winsomeness when two small, cute cats get into close proximity and eventually hug?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:12 am UTC
by Cousj001
cellocgw wrote:So if the Schwarzchild's cat just fades from view, how do you tell it from a Cheshire's cat?


There no longer is a Chershire cat. They changed the county boundaries, so now it is the Unitary Authority of Warrington cat. Or UAoW Cat for short.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:32 am UTC
by Soupspoon
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Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:10 am UTC
by rick.s
This would also explain the lost time spent with kittens. What seems like a few minutes is really a few hours: time dialation. :D

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:48 am UTC
by shycmbguy
What about the other end of the chart? As a cat's size approaches infinity does its cuteness approach zero or does it approach some other non-zero value. I for one believe a cat can never have a cuteness value of zero.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:36 am UTC
by Carmeister

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:49 pm UTC
by bwhawk
shycmbguy wrote:What about the other end of the chart? As a cat's size approaches infinity does its cuteness approach zero or does it approach some other non-zero value. I for one believe a cat can never have a cuteness value of zero.

Are we only considering housecats (Felis catus) or any member of the Felidae family, even extinct? Because Smilodon has about zero cuteness.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:13 pm UTC
by Old Bruce
Ranbot wrote:Where would Schrödinger's cat plot?

A couple of places...

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:15 pm UTC
by Sableagle
shycmbguy wrote:What about the other end of the chart? As a cat's size approaches infinity does its cuteness approach zero or does it approach some other non-zero value. I for one believe a cat can never have a cuteness value of zero.

Don't cats above a certain size undergo exothermic fission, producing a lot of smaller cats, various other species and a kind of gooey blob?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:42 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Warning! Cats! Do not open!
Spoiler:
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You were warned!

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:37 pm UTC
by Soot Leopard
Hmmmmm... No.
The cutest cat (well, apart from jaguars, anyway) I ever met was a little bigger than a fox.

Of course the cutest cat of all time was the sabretooth tiger. Especially if you were another sabretooth tiger I imagine.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:08 am UTC
by YTPrenewed
shycmbguy wrote:What about the other end of the chart? As a cat's size approaches infinity does its cuteness approach zero or does it approach some other non-zero value. I for one believe a cat can never have a cuteness value of zero.

Depends on whether we're talking fully grown tigers or some hypothetical genetically engineered cat designed to resemble a scaled-up version of housecats. Presuming the power associated with such size didn't corrupt them absolutely, perhaps the cuteness would hit a non-zero vertex at a given size threshold and begin to increase beyond it.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:30 am UTC
by Soupspoon
Let us carefully modulate the Cringer/Battle-Cat embodiments, to establish more towards the upper limits.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:24 pm UTC
by WriteBrainedJR
Soot Leopard wrote:Hmmmmm... No.
The cutest cat (well, apart from jaguars, anyway) I ever met was a little bigger than a fox.

Pics please!

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:55 pm UTC
by Soot Leopard
Not too good at cameras, (and he's an ocean away at the moment) but it turns out I did have something.
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With a steak the size of his head

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I seemed to be the most interesting person he'd seen that day.

The cage is regrettable but at least zoos keep endangered species alive better than people in general do.
...sorry, I tried to get it cropped and rotated properly. Phone...

Hey, tigers can be cute too!

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:02 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Is that not an ocelot?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:07 pm UTC
by Soot Leopard
Clouded Leopard, though ocelots are about the same size.
I've gotten to know one of those fairly well too, but he's shy and grouchy.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:43 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
♪ Spider-cat, Spider-cat,
Does whatever a spider's at.
Climbs up walls, with great ease,
Never gets stuck up trees.
Look out! Here comes the Spider-caaaat… ♪

Yes, the photos show sideways to me, but it was an irresistible filk to do.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:32 am UTC
by ijuin
Pfhorrest wrote:Is that not an ocelot?

Impossible. He doesn’t have a revolver.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:05 pm UTC
by DavidSh
Pfhorrest wrote:
Is that not
an ocelot?

Versified that for you.

(Vaguely Ogden Nashish)

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:03 pm UTC
by Quizatzhaderac
Do they fade from view, or do they just get better at hiding until they're impossible to spot?

cellocgw wrote:So if the Schwarzchild's cat just fades from view, how do you tell it from a Cheshire's cat?

Cheshire's cat is always smiling, even when it's not a cat.
keithl wrote:I disproved this with a cat and a band saw. On the right side, my graph shows a sharp discontinuity.
I think "size" can't be naively taken to mean either volume or mass (for example a healthy cat is definitely cuter than a scrawny one, and a tubby one arguably cuter than a healthy one). I think this graph holds true only for house-cats of platonic proportions.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:57 pm UTC
by alcore
There is an unexplored emergent property as you move to the right on the graph... At some point cats become "majestic" with an increasing magnitude.

I have never observed a "Majestic" thing that I thought was cute... nor a cute thing I thought was majestic. So I find myself wondering if they are inverse relationship entities.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:13 pm UTC
by Quizatzhaderac
"Majestic" seems to have roots directly related to greatness; so, yes, it seems totally fair to say that's proportional to physical size, and inversely proportional to cuteness.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:42 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Quizatzhaderac wrote:"Majestic" seems to have roots directly related to greatness; so, yes, it seems totally fair to say that's inverse to physical size.

Wouldn't "inverse to physical size" mean that smaller things are more majestic? Inverse to smallness (size-1), maybe?

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:04 pm UTC
by Quizatzhaderac
Yes, I got that backwards.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:43 pm UTC
by Archgeek
Quizatzhaderac wrote:"Majestic" seems to have roots directly related to greatness; so, yes, it seems totally fair to say that's proportional to physical size, and inversely proportional to cuteness.

I don't know, I personally know a rather large tabby who tends to look quite regal in his bearing, but can also be downright fuzzdorable.

Re: 2088: "Schwarzschild's Cat"

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:36 pm UTC
by Soot Leopard
Snow leopards can be pretty cute sometimes, and I doubt anyone who's seen one would say they aren't also majestic.