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2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:26 pm UTC
by Hiferator
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Title text: Star Trek V is a small part of the space frontier, but it's been a while since that movie came out so I assume we've finished exploring it by now.

I am very interested in the corner points of this graphic. The Oceans-Alaska point seems straight forward, Space-oceans are being explored on Mars, Mind-Ocean and Mind-Space could refer to the origins of the mind in water and the possibility of intelligent life in space.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:38 pm UTC
by Sableagle
What about Alaska-Mind and Alaska-Space, though?

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:19 pm UTC
by Heimhenge
If we could somehow quantify the extent to which each frontier has been explored (tough to normalize, yeah), and plot that on a third axis, Alaska would be at the bottom. It really ain't that much of a "frontier" anymore. Just a bit less fucked up than most other places. Space has to be at the top. I mean ... you just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is.

The puzzle to me is where to put Oceans and The Human Mind in that spectrum. My intuition is to put mind over matter.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:40 pm UTC
by speising
Heimhenge wrote: My intuition is to put mind over matter.

of course intuition would say that.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:49 pm UTC
by da Doctah
Which "final frontier" is it that's mentioned at the end of the "Mad About You" theme song?

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:01 pm UTC
by mschmidt62
So, to get to Alaska, I head towards space and take a U-turn?

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:34 am UTC
by Mikeski
mschmidt62 wrote:So, to get to Alaska, I head towards space and take a U-turn?

Might as well. I'm sure space is closer than Alaska.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:20 am UTC
by ijuin
Space officially begins 100 km above mean sea level above every location on Earth, so it is indeed closer than just about any place that is more than two or three hours’ drive away.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:48 am UTC
by Soupspoon
To drive to Alaska, I would have to head for Dover, somehow break into the Chunnel service tunnel (no cheating with driving onto ferries or trains!) and then head East, and pick and choose my place and time to end up on an iceflow, but that's a non-trivial problem in itself (unless I can pick any time), much more so, even, than dealing with the repercussions of breaking through various closed gateways near the start, etc.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:58 am UTC
by Sableagle
Mikeski wrote:
mschmidt62 wrote:So, to get to Alaska, I head towards space and take a U-turn?

Might as well. I'm sure space is closer than Alaska.

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Can't I just go to Denmark and stop there? Denmark looks nice.

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Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:10 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Heading toward space and then making a U-turn to get to Alaska sounds a lot like a ballistic trajectory.

Re: 2041: "Frontiers"

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:11 pm UTC
by Sableagle
That's more like setting off towards space and not getting all the way there, then ending up in Alaska because you didn't have the energy to go anywhere else.