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1767: "US State Names"

Postby thunk » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:07 am UTC

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Alt-text: Technically DC isn't a state, but no one is too pedantic about it because they don't want to disturb the snakes.

So what about Portwine Rocky?
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:29 am UTC

Fridays continue to be early...

Roald Dahl actually got married in New York, not far over from his renamesaked state. An interesting fact that I recall hearing whilst I was geohashing, a few months back. The nature of my knowing this interesting fact not, itself, something that I think is an interesting fact, but mildly relevent.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:37 am UTC

Roald Dahl is the homeland of Oompa-Loompas. Over half a billion of them can fit in there.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby addams » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:52 am UTC

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:59 am UTC

So, for anyone who appreciates these things, so far as I can tell, the following are the Real State / Randall State combos, ordered alphabetically except where it seemed better to move them.
  • Alabama => Bandana
  • Alaska => Alberta
  • Arizona => Verizona
  • Arkansas => Arkanoids
  • California => Cafeteria
  • Colorado => Colocated
  • Connecticut => Connect Four
  • Delaware => Delorean
  • District of Columbia => District of Colubrids
  • Florida => Fyoridor
  • Georgia => George
  • Hawaii => Kawaii
  • Idaho => Idolatry
  • Illinois => SK8RBOIS
  • Indiana => That Other One
  • Iowa => Iota
  • Kansas => Candice
  • Kentucky => Kennedy
  • Louisiana => Loisa
  • Maine => Spanish Maine
  • Maryland => Maybelline
  • Massachusetts => Masseuses
  • Michigan => Mishy
  • Minnesota => Minestrone
  • Mississippi => Misstate
  • Missouri => Mossouri
  • Montana => mount -a
  • Nebraska => Nebrunswick
  • Nevada => Fallout New Vegas
  • New Hampshire => New Hamper
  • New Jersey => Nude Juggalos
  • New Mexico => Namaste
  • New York => Newark
  • North Carolina => Sweet Caroline
  • /South Carolina => South Caroline
  • Ohio => Oh Hi
  • Oklahoma => Okay
  • Oregon => Organs
  • Pennsylvania => Pencilmania
  • Rhode Island => Roald Dahl
  • South Dakota => Dakota
  • /North Dakota => More Dakota
  • Tennessee => Thennessy
  • Texas => Hexxus
  • Utah => Uhaul
  • Vermont => Vermouth
  • Virginia => Virjayjay
  • Washington => Willwheaton
  • West Virginia => Wyvern
  • Wisconsin => Wainscot
  • Wyoming => WYSIWYG

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:43 am UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:So, yes, one could probably slap together an equivalent map of the US or North America in general. But since the vast majority of it would be essentially making fun of native peoples, it would be in far worse taste.

I stand corrected, it seems. Though this is definitely a different animal than the "British Map"; these remind me of ... you know that convention in fiction of using fake brand names that are often painfully lazy soundalikes of the original, like a game show called "Gyp-Parody" or a fast food restaurant called "WcDonald's" (a common one in anime, it seems, and it just now occurs to me that it might have sprung from the same headspace as Wario)? Yeah, this is like that applied to state names.
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Mjb » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:50 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:Did I get them all?

Ctrl+f tells me there were 51 instances of "=>" on the page (before I wrote this), so apparently yes. Many of the ones that do not reduce the name to its original meaning (George, Louisa, etc.) actually make decent mnemonics. I don't get the reasoning in some cases - why would California become Cafeteria instead of Cauliflower? I guess "That Other One" is because anything with "Indian" in it would be racist.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby teelo » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:59 am UTC

Non-American here. I thought you weirdo's didn't treat DC as a state?

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:04 am UTC

DC is not technically a state, but other than that and the e.g. lack of representation it entails, it's basically a state, in that it's a reasonably-sized part of continental United States territory where people live and isn't part of another state and has a name and all of that.

And Indiana could be... Indecent? Something like that?
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby flicky1991 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:12 am UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:and it just now occurs to me that it might have sprung from the same headspace as Wario

Can't tell fron your post whether you knew this, but "Wario" is "Mario" combined with "warui", the Japanese word for "bad".
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby cyanyoshi » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:30 am UTC

I was just thinking earlier today about how I used to imagine that Pennsylvania had something to do with pencils. It's been a while, but Randall finally crawled back into my head!

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby DavesNotHere » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:50 am UTC

Re: not disturbing the snakes ...
It's way too late. That ship has sailed.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby bachaddict » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:15 am UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:
Steve the Pocket wrote:So, yes, one could probably slap together an equivalent map of the US or North America in general. But since the vast majority of it would be essentially making fun of native peoples, it would be in far worse taste.

I stand corrected, it seems. Though this is definitely a different animal than the "British Map"; these remind me of ... you know that convention in fiction of using fake brand names that are often painfully lazy soundalikes of the original, like a game show called "Gyp-Parody" or a fast food restaurant called "WcDonald's" (a common one in anime, it seems, and it just now occurs to me that it might have sprung from the same headspace as Wario)? Yeah, this is like that applied to state names.

That trope is known as Bland-Name Product :)
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby sotanaht » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:58 am UTC

Funnily enough, I can easily name all the states, but I don't think I can correctly locate more than about half to 2/3rds.

Memorized in alphabetical order even, but no one bothered to involve a map in that part of my education.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby DavidSh » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:43 am UTC

thunk wrote:So what about Portwine Rocky?

It goes an a separate page, along with Gum and the Northern Marinara Islands.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:49 pm UTC

Hey, I know :P
Let's go fractal.
Start with renaming each state's counties.
Next the cities and towns.
Next the street names in each city.

That should keep everyone busy for a while. Plus if you pick a rename for, say, Washington St. that someone else already used, you have to drink a beer. Each time.
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby markfiend » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:51 pm UTC

Fun fact: I only recently (last few months or so) noticed the second letter C in Connecticut. For years I had thought it was Conneticut.
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby orthogon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:21 pm UTC

markfiend wrote:Fun fact: I only recently (last few months or so) noticed the second letter C in Connecticut. For years I had thought it was Conneticut.

I learnt that when it came up in a cryptic crossword. You know, something like "Unite and divide around one US state" (but probably better).
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:50 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:I learnt that when it came up in a cryptic crossword. You know, something like "Unite and divide around one US state" (but probably better).

I like that clue. But I'm much better at setting (or appreciating the setting up) than the solving.

Makes me want to inflict some more upon you, though.
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:21 pm UTC

markfiend wrote:Fun fact: I only recently (last few months or so) noticed the second letter C in Connecticut. For years I had thought it was Conneticut.


How'd you do with Arctic ? or 'climatic' vs. 'climactic' ? :twisted:
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:56 pm UTC

Mjb wrote:I guess "That Other One" is because anything with "Indian" in it would be racist.
Belated thoughts that this might be "the one that is not named after a dog. Or the dog..."

Nah, probably not.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Justin Lardinois » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:58 pm UTC

I'm having major Randall-get-out-of-my-head from this. I navigated the map up and down, and it just so happened that I read the Dakotas from bottom to top and the Carolinas from top to bottom, which given the naming is probably how he intended you to read it.

I also can't count how many times I've said "Newark" and had the listener mishear it as "New York." To be fair, I live on the opposite coast, so Newark isn't a common topic of conversation.

Pfhorrest wrote:DC is not technically a state, but other than that and the e.g. lack of representation it entails, it's basically a state, in that it's a reasonably-sized part of continental United States territory where people live and isn't part of another state and has a name and all of that.


DC also has little to no legal sovereignty. While DC does have a city council that can make law, it can always be overridden by Congress. Granted, Congress is pretty good at arm-twisting the states too, but it can't outright force them to do anything.

Also, I question your definition of "reasonably-sized." DC is about a twentieth the size of Rhode Island, the smallest state, and smaller than most of the US' non-state territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... es_by_area

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Cervisiae Amatorem » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:59 pm UTC

I read xkcd for intelligent humor and biting satire. Making fun of state names? What? It not even on a consistent theme; like what if the states were renamed after computer lingo, or had Sci-Fi sounding names, or made fun of the stereotypes about the state.

The North/South Dakota to Dakota / More Dakota was the only good one. Oklahoma to Okay? So clever it was literally on their license plates. Minnesota to Minestrone? What are we, six? (Which state is a small soft drink? Mini-Soda!)

I guess we give Randall a pass now and then.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby david.windsor » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:38 pm UTC

Alright! He dropped some Canada in there
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby ChurchSkiz » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:22 pm UTC

I nominate Idolatry be changed to "Udaho"

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Postby Sableagle » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:29 pm UTC

sotanaht wrote:Funnily enough, I can easily name all the states, but I don't think I can correctly locate more than about half to 2/3rds.

Memorized in alphabetical order even, but no one bothered to involve a map in that part of my education.


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Postby Mikeski » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:16 am UTC

Cervisiae Amatorem wrote:The North/South Dakota to Dakota / More Dakota was the only good one.

It would have been funnier the other way, as back in the late 80s there actually was a move to rename North Dakota to just "Dakota," mostly as a tourism booster (since it would sound less cold.)

That, of course, got widely panned. The best alternative I heard to make it sound warmer was to change it to "Baja Manitoba".

(Well, ok, it would have been funnier to the sixty-seven people who lived in North Dakota back then.)

I guess we give Randall a pass now and then.

There have been some weak ones lately. Either he's got another Time/Garden/etc. in the works (we seem to get a string of phoned-in xkcds before the big script-o-licious ones land), or he's still in mourning.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby RogueCynic » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:19 am UTC

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thunk wrote:So what about Portwine Rocky?

It goes an a separate page, along with Gum and the Northern Marinara Islands.


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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Sableagle » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:03 pm UTC

Having done this for the British Map, I should probably do it for this one too, right?

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby ToadofSteel » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:56 pm UTC

You missed a chance to name Alabama "Roll Tide".

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Postby Sableagle » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:42 pm UTC

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

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Steve the Pocket wrote:
Steve the Pocket wrote:So, yes, one could probably slap together an equivalent map of the US or North America in general. But since the vast majority of it would be essentially making fun of native peoples, it would be in far worse taste.

I stand corrected, it seems.

Yeah, I'm going to take this as Randall recognising it was hypocritical to do the British one and not a US one.

I'm now officially fine with the British one. Still don't see the point of either, but fine.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:45 pm UTC

cyanyoshi wrote:I was just thinking earlier today about how I used to imagine that Pennsylvania had something to do with pencils. It's been a while, but Randall finally crawled back into my head!

Animaniacs made a joke to that effect, where the Warners were going there because it was ancestral home, because as cartoon characters they were the offspring of pencils.
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Sableagle » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:10 pm UTC

I guess it really means "the land just before the forest," which suggests it ought to have less salt water between it and Transylvania, "the land beyond the forest."

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Soupspoon » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:58 am UTC

It has been a day and a half... So answers to my cryptic clues, as promised, that were:
Soupspoon wrote:"Fit a trillion old Englishmen into a small measure."
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Are, respectively:
Spoiler:
Texas, Nevada, Delaware

...I don't think I need to explain why/how.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby Old Bruce » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:40 am UTC

Should it not be Some Dakota and More Dakota?

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby azule » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:04 pm UTC

I don't get the reasons these names were chosen. Like someone said, if it was on a theme there you'd go... This feels very random.

But, back to official state names...Why do some states share a name? I'm pretty sure that when some states split they got new names (was it Tennessee?) but when Carolina split it became North and South. Why the Dakotas..didn't they come that way? Why Virginia but then West Virginia? (I learned that one but I forgot already.)
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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby sotanaht » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:43 pm UTC

azule wrote:I don't get the reasons these names were chosen. Like someone said, if it was on a theme there you'd go... This feels very random.

But, back to official state names...Why do some states share a name? I'm pretty sure that when some states split they got new names (was it Tennessee?) but when Carolina split it became North and South. Why the Dakotas..didn't they come that way? Why Virginia but then West Virginia? (I learned that one but I forgot already.)


A quick google shows that West Virginia was a part of Virginia that broke away during the civil war. Virginia likely kept the name because they kept the same government and were therefor the same state, missing some pieces, and West Virginia needed to become a new state.

The Carolina and Dakota splits can basically be summed up as infighting. North Dakota had "problems" with the capitol being too far away and it looks like the people running the Carolinas were just an incompetent and mostly criminal mess. Both of those were essentially split down the middle to separate groups, rather than one group taking its land and leaving. I am of course greatly oversimplifying things.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby da Doctah » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:54 pm UTC

sotanaht wrote:The Carolina and Dakota splits can basically be summed up as infighting. North Dakota had "problems" with the capitol being too far away and it looks like the people running the Carolinas were just an incompetent and mostly criminal mess. Both of those were essentially split down the middle to separate groups, rather than one group taking its land and leaving. I am of course greatly oversimplifying things.


The Dakotas are a much too interesting story to simply sum up like that. Originally a single "Dakota" territory, the controversy was whether to admit it as a single state or split it along the natural line of the Missouri River and admit both East and West Dakota separately. Two states would have meant four new US Senators, all Republican, which didn't sit well with Democratic then-President Grover Cleveland. When Cleveland lost the election in 1888 (although winning the popular vote), his successor Benjamin Harrison split it the other way and also admitted Montana and Washington to balance out the parties in Congress.

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Re: 1767: "US State Names"

Postby somitomi » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:34 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:It has been a day and a half... So answers to my cryptic clues, as promised, that were:
Soupspoon wrote:"Fit a trillion old Englishmen into a small measure."
"Speak nothing about going into space."
"Reshuffle your cards, the singular product."

Are, respectively:
Spoiler:
Texas, Nevada, Delaware

...I don't think I need to explain why/how.

I think you do, because they make no sense to me.
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