0312: "With Apologies to Robert Frost"

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0312: "With Apologies to Robert Frost"

Postby ShadowLurker » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:01 am UTC

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Alt-text: "Some say the world will end in fire; some say in segfaults."

Not another segfault reference! this one was pretty... random?
maybe i just didn't get it

i wonder what the background of the poem is supposed to kinda look like

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Re: "With Apologies to Robert Frost" Discussion

Postby MissingDividends » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:03 am UTC

ShadowLurker wrote:Not another segfault reference! this one was pretty... random?
maybe i just didn't get it

That would be a reference to Fire and Ice (by Robert Frost).
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Postby Euanthes » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:12 am UTC

Funny.

If more poetry were like that, I think I would get better grades in english.
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Postby OfficiallyHaphazard » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:15 am UTC

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Postby podbaydoor » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:16 am UTC

Fire and Ice is my favorite (non-humorous) poem ever, hands-down. Nothing Gold Can Stay is pretty cool, too, but Fire and Ice is so simple and clear.

That said, this is a pretty ingenious rewrite.
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Postby The_Toad » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:17 am UTC

lol we were just arguing over if the universe was written in lisp or perl in IRC... and I came here to find the other one (http://xkcd.com/224/) and saw this... lol'd hard

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Postby MissingDividends » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:34 am UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Fire and Ice is my favorite (non-humorous) poem ever, hands-down. Nothing Gold Can Stay is pretty cool, too, but Fire and Ice is so simple and clear.

That said, this is a pretty ingenious rewrite.

Yeah, Frost is definitely one of the best (if not the best) non-humorous poets.

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Postby mrorange » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:48 am UTC

i love the subtle close paren at the end of the universe on the lower right of the panel :)

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Postby Lyra Ngalia » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:12 am UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Fire and Ice is my favorite (non-humorous) poem ever, hands-down. Nothing Gold Can Stay is pretty cool, too, but Fire and Ice is so simple and clear.

That said, this is a pretty ingenious rewrite.


"Fire and Ice" is one of my favorites too, and Randall really got the rhyme scheme down, though I find the use of "myth" as the ending word on that line a little out of place.

Have to admit, I'd be curious to see where he could go with "The Road Not Taken".
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Postby skyo » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:16 am UTC

I love it! Go Lisp!
(My roommate's in the perl camp though)
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Postby Lemm » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:16 am UTC

this, as poster = win.

i'd buy a poster of this in a heartbeat.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:17 am UTC

Yay, LISP! I always knew it would end the Universe one day...

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Postby Cabhan » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:21 am UTC

I was a little saddened to see Munroe take such a step backward from "Lisp". Perl will rise again!

On a second note, I did send this to one of my Lisp/Scheme loving professors, who I am sure will love it.

And the presence of that "close-paren" rocked the comic.

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Postby Bakemaster » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:50 am UTC

I agree with Lemm that this comic is particularly posterizable.
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Postby MissingDividends » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:07 am UTC

Bakemaster wrote:I agree with Lemm that this comic is particularly posterizable.

I'd get one as well, but for now I'll have to settle for 8.5x11.

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Postby jtin » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:48 am UTC

I haven't been so fond of recent comics, but this one... awesome!

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Postby Solt » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:11 am UTC

Is it a reference to how much the fact that the universe seems to be infinite confuses us? Because that was hilarious.
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Postby Domovoi » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:52 am UTC

Lyra Ngalia wrote:
podbaydoor wrote:Fire and Ice is my favorite (non-humorous) poem ever, hands-down. Nothing Gold Can Stay is pretty cool, too, but Fire and Ice is so simple and clear.

That said, this is a pretty ingenious rewrite.


"Fire and Ice" is one of my favorites too, and Randall really got the rhyme scheme down, though I find the use of "myth" as the ending word on that line a little out of place.


For some reason, I don't particularly like Fire and Ice, for the sole reason that the scheme feels so clunky to me. ABAABCBCB. It feels to random for me. I love the meter, though, especially the way it tapers off at the end.

My personal favorite is Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening. For reasons unknown to me, perhaps because it feels sort of uncanny.

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Postby TheKhakinator » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:12 am UTC

Bakemaster wrote:I agree with Lemm that this comic is particularly posterizable.

It's not posterizable at all, as it's already in the minimum number of colours - 2.

I'm referring to the posterising filter in image editing, hehe! I used it to make my avatar, dontchaknow.

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Postby Chromana » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:18 am UTC

I'm not codewriter or anything so can someone explain the significance of the )? Does it mean that the code or whatever has an end?

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Postby Unforgiven » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:28 am UTC

Everyone knows that *real* Gods create universes in assembly.
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Postby gambit411 » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:27 am UTC

Chromana wrote:I'm not codewriter or anything so can someone explain the significance of the )? Does it mean that the code or whatever has an end?


According to Wikipedia, "The use of parentheses is Lisp's most immediately obvious difference from other programming language families. As a result, students have long given Lisp nicknames such as "Lots of Irritating Superfluous Parentheses"


I read it like this: The god of the poem, knowing both Perl and Lisp, wrote the world in Perl, but dislikes the "disappointing founding myth (probably the Parable of the Pearl in Matthew for which, according to Wikipedia, Perl was named)" and should the world need to be rewritten, would do it in Lisp.

The original poem, Fire and Ice, was about how the world would end, but the closing paren isn't causing the end of the world in this poem. Rather, it's the distinctive feature of the language in which the world would be written.

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Postby TheKhakinator » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:56 am UTC

Unforgiven wrote:Everyone knows that *real* Gods create universes in assembly.

Everyone knows that *real* Gods run their universes on the 6502. Sound provided by the ever-loved SID, of course.

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Postby madjo » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:07 am UTC

just this morning I listened to an interview on Buzz Out Loud with Nick Bostrom on that we might be living in a simulation already. And now we have xkcd surmising that the universe was created in Perl or Lisp.

So, it must be true, if two separate entities talk about it, on teh internets no less, it MUST be true!
We are already living in a sort of matrix, but instead of bodies as batteries, we are just 1s, 0s and maybe's (quantum, you know) in someones computer. :) (I sure hope that the OS won't cras*KERNEL PANIC*
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Postby shinybaby » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:19 am UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Fire and Ice is my favorite (non-humorous) poem ever, hands-down. Nothing Gold Can Stay is pretty cool, too, but Fire and Ice is so simple and clear.

That said, this is a pretty ingenious rewrite.


i couldn't have said this better myself!!
i've always loved Fire and Ice, and now i think i love it more!!!!

i completely squeeeed when i read this!! thank you Randall!!!
that was a world of awesome.
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apologies?

Postby glitter » Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:33 am UTC

why is it people feel the need to apologize for parodies? it is unfortunately difficult to figure out what Mr. Frost would have thought of this poem; however, i'd give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he'd be pretty into it. if on the off chance he wasn't into it, then it's all the more reason not to apologize.

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Postby Sprocket » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:40 pm UTC

Good job, good refrence.....still......you code monkies make me nervous with your allusions to Godliness.

I think Randall feels a need to apologize because he feels he is a bit of a two bit hacker when it comes to poetry and song lyrics. It isn't his field. If I tried to write a computer program and copied the frame work of it from...some...famous....computer....guy..... I'd feel the need to apologize for my sloppy workmanship as well, whether it was or not.

Have you all seen the Holy Tango of Literature?

The premiss is, you take an anagram of an authors name to create a title for a poem and then write the poem with that title in that authors style, often blatantly ripping off one of his or her previous works.

an excerpt.

I WILL ALARM ISLAMIC OWLS
WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS

I will be alarming
the Islamic owls
that are in
the barn

and which
you warned me
are very jittery
and susceptible to loud noises

Forgive me
they see so well in the dark
so feathery
and so dedicated to Allah

Cabhan wrote:I was a little saddened to see Munroe take such a step backward from "Lisp". Perl will rise again!

On a second note, I did send this to one of my Lisp/Scheme loving professors, who I am sure will love it.

And the presence of that "close-paren" rocked the comic.


You take the world a wee bit too serious.
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Postby AtomicLlama » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:26 pm UTC

He would have written the universe in Python, but it wasn't invented yet.

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Postby Jorlem » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:54 pm UTC

I wonder, has everyone else here heard the song God Wrote in LISP. If you haven't, give it a listen. Its the first song on the list. (Also, if you were worried, the website I linked to is run Prometheus Music, which also sells the CDs, so it's ok.)

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Postby circumlocuted » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:56 pm UTC

Speaking of Poems, I guess I should include one of my favorites:

Machines of loving grace, by Richard Brautigan

First heard it in the second grade, and it really sparked my imagination.
I love the almost transhumanist feel of it, and the positive pro-technological message.
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like pure water
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I like to think
(right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.

I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.

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Postby TheKhakinator » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:01 pm UTC

Jorlem wrote:I wonder, has everyone else here heard the song God Wrote in LISP. If you haven't, give it a listen. Its the first song on the list. (Also, if you were worried, the website I linked to is run Prometheus Music, which also sells the CDs, so it's ok.)

Beautiful song.

BUT I LIKE C++.

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Postby space_raptor » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:02 pm UTC

I wish I was more familiar with Perl and Lisp, as this doesn't quite resonate with me as it seems to have with others.
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Postby evilbeanfiend » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:11 pm UTC

AtomicLlama wrote:He would have written the universe in Python, but it wasn't invented yet.


wouldn't python be the scripting language that lucifer uses to tempt eve into picking an apple (or possibly the apple is a metaphor for trying to intercept secure communications between alice and bob)
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Postby gormster » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:48 pm UTC

God would have wrought the universe in Obj-C, but even He couldn't figure it out.
God wrote:What the fuck? Object notation using square brackets?


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Postby jc » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:10 pm UTC

Unforgiven wrote:Everyone knows that *real* Gods create universes in assembly.

I've always liked the conjecture that black holes are the places where the universe (or God, aka the processor that runs the universe) divides by zero.

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Postby Leliel » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:50 pm UTC

<3 this comic.
I'm in the PERL camp and lol'd when I hit the alt-text.


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Postby bookishbunny » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:03 pm UTC

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Postby okvol » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:49 pm UTC

TheKhakinator wrote:
Unforgiven wrote:Everyone knows that *real* Gods create universes in assembly.

Everyone knows that *real* Gods run their universes on the 6502. Sound provided by the ever-loved SID, of course.


Those are just micro-deities. Try 36 bit IBM System/370 for a real deity. I've still got a green-card (which is yellow for a 370) in my desk.
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Re: apologies?

Postby the_nexus_p » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:06 pm UTC

glitter wrote:why is it people feel the need to apologize for parodies? it is unfortunately difficult to figure out what Mr. Frost would have thought of this poem; however, i'd give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he'd be pretty into it. if on the off chance he wasn't into it, then it's all the more reason not to apologize.


It's just a convenient way to point out what the parody is a parody of.

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Postby okvol » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:17 pm UTC

jc wrote:
Unforgiven wrote:Everyone knows that *real* Gods create universes in assembly.

I've always liked the conjecture that black holes are the places where the universe (or God, aka the processor that runs the universe) divides by zero.


Read the short story "The Last Question" by Asimov.

And, God writes in machine code, in binary, like real programmers once did. For that matter, that is his native language. No wonder we humans have such a hard time understanding God!
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