1589: "Frankenstein"

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1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby dean.menezes » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:15 am UTC

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Alt text: "Wait, so in this version, Frankenstein is also the doctor's name?", "No, he's just 'The Doctor' "

How can the monster be saying that the moon landings were faked when they haven't happened yet? Maybe there were some other faked moon landings?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby scharb » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:18 am UTC

I'm one of those people, and I'm very judgmental about people who call them "frankensteins".

Although I guess it sounds better than saying "Help! I'm being relentlessly pursued by Adam!"

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby madaco » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:20 am UTC

dean.menezes wrote:Image

Alt text: "Wait, so in this version, Frankenstein is also the doctor's name?", "No, he's just 'The Doctor' "

How can the monster be saying that the moon landings were faked when they haven't happened yet? Maybe there were some other faked moon landings?


What do you mean when you say they haven't happened yet?

Why do you suppose that this story takes place at the same time period as the other version of frankenstein? Couldn't it take place in modern day?

He does say he is a /modern/ prometheus after all.

In addition, he tells the monster that their name is /canonically/ frankenstein. This might seem to suggest that they are aware of the book Frankenstein, and named the monster for the same reason the author did. This suggests that it happens in present day times, or at least is aware of the going ons in present day times, so it would make sense that the monster might be aware of the moon landings (provided that they can speak from the start, which they clearly can in this version.)
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby ThemePark » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:25 am UTC

dean.menezes wrote:Alt text: "Wait, so in this version, Frankenstein is also the doctor's name?", "No, he's just 'The Doctor' "


So Who is The Doctor? Man, if only Abbott and Costello had known about this.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby TheStormRanger » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:26 am UTC

When do Frankenstein and The Doctor hop in the TARDIS?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby odog1999 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:29 am UTC

But how do we pronounce it: Frankenstein, or Fronkensteen?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:32 am UTC

Mary Shelley is rolling over in her grave. (As the Doctor digs her up to make Frankenstein's bride.)

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Eebster the Great » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:46 am UTC

scharb wrote:I'm one of those people, and I'm very judgmental about people who call them "frankensteins".

Although I guess it sounds better than saying "Help! I'm being relentlessly pursued by Adam!"

The monster was deliberately left unnamed in the original novel. In later adaptations it is either left unnamed or referred to as "Frankenstein." The use of the name to refer to the monster is well over a century old.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby myrcutio » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:38 am UTC

Can we get one on the proper pronunciation of Cthulhu now?
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:45 am UTC

Or we can just merge the two a-la Soul Eater.

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Dr. Stein clearly turned himself into a crazy monster. Duh.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby pompomjoe » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:10 am UTC

When I was young I thought the monster was called "Frank Einstein". Seemed to make sense somehow.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:30 am UTC

I see this version is also re-imagining him as a doctor, rather than a med-school dropout, then. :wink:
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby San Fran Sam » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:42 am UTC

Okay, you're so smart. Is it the Wolf Man or the Wolfman?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby JeromeWest » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:13 am UTC

San Fran Sam wrote:Okay, you're so smart. Is it the Wolf Man or the Wolfman?


Easy, it's Mr. Wolfman, the man-wolf.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby orthogon » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:17 am UTC

Given that Dr Frankenstein was the monster's creator, and Frankenstein was his family name, it's not unreasonable that the monster would also be a Frankenstein. It's either that or "); DROP TABLE monsters;"

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby sfmans » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:22 am UTC

If he is 'The Doctor' he'll just whip out his Sonic Screwdriver, discover a convenient and entirely appropriate new setting, and get out of extreme danger that way.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby zjxs » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:31 am UTC

Isn't copyright 70 years plus the life of the Frankenstein?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Mambrino » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:31 am UTC

Inventors' surnames are sometimes used as synonymous with their inventions. Usually as adjectives or in a derived form, but sometimes as nouns (that are not units of measurement).

Thus, conceivably, the monster can be called a frankenstein. (Or maybe the Frankenstein, too? My understanding about this grammar rule is slightly fuzzy.) Not unlike shrapnel or maverick.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby nigenet » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:51 am UTC

sfmans wrote:If he is 'The Doctor' he'll just whip out his Sonic Screwdriver, discover a convenient and entirely appropriate new setting, and get out of extreme danger that way.


Sonic screwdriver? The Doctor doesn't do sonic screwdrivers any more. Sunglasses are the future apparently.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a671917/doctor-who-steven-moffat-responds-to-peter-capaldi-sonic-sunglasses-backlash.html#~pqT5jni6OiFkfv

I don't know if the BBC merchandising department are absolutely livid, or if they've secured a really good deal with RayBan :wink:

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby orthogon » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:58 am UTC

Mambrino wrote:Inventors' surnames are sometimes used as synonymous with their inventions. [...] edit. ninja'd by orthogon

Not really ninja'd, not intentionally anyway: I was thinking more of the way people's pets are typically considered to have their "owners'" surname, or that the (male) creator of a monster / automaton / robot could be thought of as its father and it would therefore inherit his surname (in a patriarchal naming system). Your suggestion is different and highly valid, though I agree it's tricky to make the grammar work.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Echo244 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:15 am UTC

Very well, I shall henceforth insist that the monster was called "Frankenstein Canonically". Maybe FC for short?
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby scarletmanuka » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:21 am UTC

TheStormRanger wrote:When do Frankenstein and The Doctor hop in the TARDIS?

Possibly more than you want to know here.
Shelley was inspired by seeing the Eighth Doctor — under the alias "Dr Frankenstein" — revived and turned into a similar creature. A younger Eighth Doctor, as the two left for adventures in the TARDIS, emphasised that "Frankenstein is the name of the monster, and not the name of the doctor." (AUDIO: Mary's Story)

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Flumble » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:06 am UTC

Despite that it's covered in an audio episode, it will be a TV episode in the near future, right? I'd love to see what they come up with for a tangential story. :D

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:09 am UTC

I've always taken on the hereditary naming justification, myself.

If Frankenstein is the creator's surname, and the monster can be seen as his 'son' in a way, then it makes sense for the monster to adopt the surname of his father.

Thus they are both Frankenstein.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby orthogon » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:20 am UTC

Echo244 wrote:Very well, I shall henceforth insist that the monster was called "Frankenstein Canonically". Maybe FC for short?

Frankenstein FC? Now there's a football team I'd go to watch.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:50 am UTC

Clearly there's a follow-on:

What-if(not TM yet) we tried More Canonical Names ?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby The Moomin » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:08 pm UTC

Djehutynakht wrote:I've always taken on the hereditary naming justification, myself.

If Frankenstein is the creator's surname, and the monster can be seen as his 'son' in a way, then it makes sense for the monster to adopt the surname of his father.

Thus they are both Frankenstein.


Or call the monster Junior.

Or name the monster after the dog.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:10 pm UTC

But is the monster a zombie?

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby jgh » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:27 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:Despite that it's covered in an audio episode, it will be a TV episode in the near future, right? I'd love to see what they come up with for a tangential story. :D
They've already done the Frankenstein story: The Brain of Morbius.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby verano » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:18 pm UTC

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby peewee_RotA » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:44 pm UTC

This one is a romance novel in which we see Frankenstein marry Shelley.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby meerta » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:13 pm UTC

Eebster the Great wrote:
scharb wrote:I'm one of those people, and I'm very judgmental about people who call them "frankensteins".

Although I guess it sounds better than saying "Help! I'm being relentlessly pursued by Adam!"

The monster was deliberately left unnamed in the original novel. In later adaptations it is either left unnamed or referred to as "Frankenstein." The use of the name to refer to the monster is well over a century old.


Wait, are you arguing that the monster could have been called Frankenstein before this comic?

And remember this is XKCD's Frankenstein, not Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Emperor Sarda » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:00 pm UTC

Doctor Frankenstein is 'The Doctor' now?

I think Randall means 'The Valeyard'.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby shashwat986 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:24 pm UTC

How dare you belittle years of effort by various organizations and the sacrifices made by countless families to put man on the moon! You MONSTER! ... wait.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby moody7277 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:14 pm UTC

shashwat986 wrote:How dare you belittle years of effort by various organizations and the sacrifices made by countless families to put man on the moon! You MONSTER! ... wait.


I imagine Buzz Aldrin trying to punch this guy out would have a different outcome than the other chump.
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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Flumble » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:11 pm UTC

jgh wrote:
Flumble wrote:Despite that it's covered in an audio episode, it will be a TV episode in the near future, right? I'd love to see what they come up with for a tangential story. :D
They've already done the Frankenstein story: The Brain of Morbius.

Ah but no! I mean the proper series, not those wonky pilots!

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Unclevertitle » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:25 pm UTC

Darn it, Frankenstein! Now the scientific community will never take you seriously. Looks like I'll have to start over, make another Frankenstein but this time I'll use the brain of someone with a PHD.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Pfhorrest » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:05 pm UTC

scharb wrote:I'm one of those people, and I'm very judgmental about people who call them "frankensteins".

I saw a brief clip of some show I don't watch and can't recall now, where characters exclaimed that they were being chased by "draculas". I cringed.

myrcutio wrote:Can we get one on the proper pronunciation of Cthulhu now?

It's pronounced just like it's spelled.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby Eebster the Great » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:28 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
myrcutio wrote:Can we get one on the proper pronunciation of Cthulhu now?

It's pronounced just like it's spelled.

Wikipedia says this:
Lovecraft transcribed the pronunciation of Cthulhu as Khlûl′-hloo and said that "the first syllable pronounced gutturally and very thickly. The u is about like that in full; and the first syllable is not unlike klul in sound, hence the h represents the guttural thickness."[3] S. T. Joshi points out, however, that Lovecraft gave several differing pronunciations on different occasions.[4] According to Lovecraft, this is merely the closest that the human vocal apparatus can come to reproducing the syllables of an alien language.[5]

So by the same logic that Frankenstein's monster should not be called Frankenstein, Cthulhu should not be pronounced like it's spelled.

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Re: 1589: "Frankenstein"

Postby SimonMoon5 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:40 pm UTC

TheStormRanger wrote:When do Frankenstein and The Doctor hop in the TARDIS?


Well, if we're accepting popular mistakes as "correct", then you can't call him "the Doctor," you have to call him "Doctor Who". Then, the two of them (Doctor Who and Frankenstein) can team up with Shazam. Those are my unholy trio of fictional characters that the general (idiotic) populace gets wrong. (And, yes, I know there is a character named Doctor Who; he was played by Peter Cushing. And, yes, I know that the current DC comics people have made the character-formerly-known-as-Captain-Marvel into a character known only as Shazam, after having previously made the character-formerly-known-as-Captain-Marvel-JUNIOR into a character known as Shazam.)


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