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1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:15 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
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Alt: The days of the week are Monday, Arctic, Wellsley, Green, Electra, Synergize, and the Seventh Seal.

As Leela once said: "Seven is darker." Or basically every other line of every classic Bungie game ever.

Interestingly, I share Bungie's obsession with sevens, partly because of their fandom *cough*lookatmyusername*cough* but also for my own personal reasons (I turned 25 on 7/25/07, where 2+5=7; there are seven letters in my first name; I realized both of those things on my seventh birthday; the list goes on), and now coincidentally my first new comic thread happens to be for the comic titled "Seven"… which I should point out is comic # 1417.

Oh and just to comment actually on-topic: the sets being conflated in the comic are the Dwarfs from Snow White (duh), the Linnaean taxonomic ranks, the continents (as traditionally numbered in the US), ETA the deadly sins, the layers of dip, the layers of the OSI model, and the wonders of the ancient world.

ETA: As for the title text sets: days of the week (duh), climate zones, sister colleges (I admit I had to look that one up), Newtonian colors, the Pleiades (had to look this one up too, ashamed as I love both astronomy and mythology and was expecting this to be a Marvel Comics thing), habits of highly effective people (suspected this but had to look it up to be sure), and the seals of the apocalypse (duh).

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:27 am UTC
by Envelope Generator
Guacamole is one of the seven ________?

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:31 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
Envelope Generator wrote:Guacamole is one of the seven ________?

Ah dang, I didn't edit fast enough. There's a well-known seven-layer dip, which has guacamole as one of the layers, along with refried beans, sour cream, salsa, cheese, ground beef, and jalapeños. Wikipedia says black olives are a solid layer, but seriously who the fuck puts olives in dip…

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:34 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
I think the olives tend to be on dip (as in, a layer sprinkled on top) rather than in dip. But I'm sure it varies.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:36 am UTC
by Envelope Generator
Ohhh, I've never heard of that before. From pics it looks more like a salad or casserole than something it'd occur to me to dip things in.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:15 am UTC
by bachaddict
Pfhorrest wrote: the layers of dip,

I read that in OTTish at first and was rather puzzled :P

There's also the seven deadly sins.
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Funny that sloths are neither lively nor deadly!

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:16 am UTC
by ruurdjan
You forgot 'sloth', one of the seven sins. Was that just lazyness? :twisted:

<Edit> Nidja'd

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:22 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
Ah dangit, I got so caught up in qualifying the continents claim that I somehow skipped right over sloth. I'll fix it...

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:33 am UTC
by eviloatmeal
I used to have this with fives. But I'm completely cured now.

The five boroughs: Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, Minuet of Forest

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:54 am UTC
by simcop2387
Arctic isn't a continent. I think it's the seven seas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Seas

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:02 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
I wasn't saying Arctic was a continent, but a climate zone. I can't seem to find a definitive set of "seven seas", rather than just poetic expression for "all the world's oceans". Then again, now that I try to look them up I can't find a definitive set of seven climate zones either, and the closest thing I can find doesn't have "arctic" but rather "tundra" (alongside taiga, temperate forest, tropical rainforest, temperate grassland, savannah, and desert). I'm not sure anymore.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:06 am UTC
by Witewolf_Legacy
At least the way we learned the continents (NZ) was: North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania/Australasia, Antarctica :D

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:20 am UTC
by time burglar
This is pleasing to me. I'm reminded of a similar gag from one of the great British comedy shows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnWd0iv8Dq4 ("League of Gentlemen -Henry & Ally at the Video Store")

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:24 am UTC
by rpgamer
I contest the inclusion of Phylum in a set of seven.

Everyone always forgets the Domain.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:51 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
Domain was a late addition to the original set of seven, and there are now many more taxonomic ranks besides those eight (and doubts about the usefulness of fixed "rank" in the first place). But the original seven are of historical significance still.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:12 am UTC
by orthogon
I love this one. I was chuckling at it before I read the caption and/or worked out what it was about (I'm not sure now which happened first). Just the idea of one of the dwarves being called "Guacamole" is hilarious. In fact I profoundly hope that there is a Guacamole in the Mexican version of the tale.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:23 am UTC
by Bisqwit
Ah, Data Link. My favourite of the seven dwarves.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:31 am UTC
by Diadem
I didn't get all the references, I have to admit. Over here we have 5 continents, not 7 (though personally I disagree with both of those statements). So my first thought was 'moons of Jupiter' but of course there are many more than 7, so then I was trying to figure out whether the continent or the moon was meant, and who they fit in a list of 7. And I've never heard of 7 layers of dip. Is that an American thing?

The alt text was even harder. So well done, Randall.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:40 am UTC
by mikhail
Pfhorrest wrote:... Oh and just to comment actually on-topic: the sets being conflated in the comic are the Dwarfs from Snow White (duh), the Linnaean taxonomic ranks, the continents (as traditionally numbered in the US), ETA the deadly sins, the layers of dip, the layers of the OSI model, and the wonders of the ancient world ...

Ah yes, the seven wonders: The Colossus of Rhodes, A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Once Upon a Time in the West, Duck You Sucker!, and Once Upon a Time in America.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:47 pm UTC
by cct
I thought the reference was to the "Seven Moles of Oaxaca" and that using guacamole was just an error.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:49 pm UTC
by cct
As an answer for the original question, there is something particularly pleasing about the Colossus of Rhodes being one of the seven dwarfs.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:50 pm UTC
by Jackpot777
I got here as fast as I could. So: what's going on here?

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:07 pm UTC
by Showsni
I have a similar problem;

January, Amethyst, Gemini, the Erymanthian Boar, Philip, Strong Breeze, Horse, House of Reincarnation, Ladies Dancing, Hephaestus, Joseph and Venezuela.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:10 pm UTC
by Klear
This never happened to me, but I have some paired memories that I often have trouble remembering both at once, for example, two of Czech best composers are Bedřich Smetana and Antonín Dvořák. Very often (luckily not now) when I think of one of them, I'm incapable of remembering the name of the other.

I have a couple ore pairs like this, though it so happens I can't think of any right now.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:12 pm UTC
by CharlieBing
This was tough! Wellsley completely flummoxed me, and then I realized that google wanted me to look for Wellesley, and it was plain sailing after that. Of course, that involved a trip to Wikipedia, and their entry on "Seven" is a great read. It includes a list of seven things from Classical antiquity, including the Seven Seas, the Seven hills of Rome, the Seven Liberal Arts and the Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove in China (!)

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:15 pm UTC
by cellocgw
ruurdjan wrote:You forgot 'sloth', one of the seven sins. Was that just lazyness? :twisted:

<Edit> Nidja'd


Sure you don't mean one of the se7en sins?

Other categories to cover:

-- The highly debatable seven ways to get on base
-- The Famous Dance
-- A rugby team
-- A certain class of artists
-- and, maybe, the fact that the top possible bid in bridge is Seven (suit or NT)

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:24 pm UTC
by operagost
Diadem wrote:I didn't get all the references, I have to admit. Over here we have 5 continents, not 7 (though personally I disagree with both of those statements).


I definitely disagree with the European convention of considering the Americas one continent. There is a plate separation at the Isthmus of Panama, and evidence suggests this area was underwater in the past. We've also basically split them with the canal.

It also would be nice to discard the notion of single American continent because I'm sick of European trolls calling me a "USian". Apparently, hordes of Spanish and Portuguese-speaking peoples of other nations like to call themselves "Americans" in English, for some curious reason.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:34 pm UTC
by Introbulus
I'm more of a fours guy myself. Like the four ninja turtles, Leonardo, Magenta, Princess Peach, and Death.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:42 pm UTC
by orthogon
Klear wrote:This never happened to me, but I have some paired memories that I often have trouble remembering both at once, for example, two of Czech best composers are Bedřich Smetana and Antonín Dvořák. Very often (luckily not now) when I think of one of them, I'm incapable of remembering the name of the other.

I heard the Stuttgart Radio Symphony Orchestra under Sir Roger Norrington perform Dvořák's New World Symphony at this BBC Proms concert on Wednesday. Amazing how classically American it sounded for a composer from Bohemia: either he'd absorbed the aesthetic rapidly, or, more likely, he actually created the sound that we now associate with the open plains and cowboys.

It always annoyed me that there were seven days in the week. If they had to choose a prime number, they could at least have chosen an even prime, like 8.

Pseudo-edit: my use of the word "American" should in no way imply that I am taking sides in operagosts's impending flame war.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:48 pm UTC
by HES
operagost wrote:I definitely disagree with the European convention of considering the Americas one continent.

Must be a continental Europe thing, there are definitely seven as far as the UK is concerned.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:19 pm UTC
by Flumble
operagost wrote:the European convention of considering the Americas one continent.

There's a convention for this? Specifically a European one?
Wikipedia dares to contest that claim even without sources. (OTOH, the legend lists Oceania as "Australia")

operagost wrote:I'm sick of European trolls calling me a "USian"

Heh, "VS'er" does have a ring to it. Thanks for the idea. :P
I'm sick of people calling the US "America".

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:35 pm UTC
by Klear
orthogon wrote:I heard the Stuttgart Radio Symphony Orchestra under Sir Roger Norrington perform Dvořák's New World Symphony at this BBC Proms concert on Wednesday. Amazing how classically American it sounded for a composer from Bohemia: either he'd absorbed the aesthetic rapidly, or, more likely, he actually created the sound that we now associate with the open plains and cowboys.

It always annoyed me that there were seven days in the week. If they had to choose a prime number, they could at least have chosen an even prime, like 8.


The New World Symphony has been my all time favourite symphony since I was a kid. I never really associated it with America, despite the name. If I had to guess, I'd say he created the association, but since I don't have it myself, it's hard to judge.

And as far as number of days in a week go, I prefer 8.

Edit: Also, at least in Czech Republic, we consider South and North Americas separate continents. Never heard of anybody considering them joined. I have some discussion about not considering Europe and Asia separate, but that's it.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:49 pm UTC
by hetas
HES wrote:
operagost wrote:I definitely disagree with the European convention of considering the Americas one continent.

Must be a continental Europe thing, there are definitely seven as far as the UK is concerned.

Same in Finland and I assume in other nordic countries. http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maanosa

The English wikipedia page on continent lists the usage of different ways of distinguishing a continent. Never take granted anything you were taught in school.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:04 pm UTC
by HES
hetas wrote:Never take granted anything you were taught in school.

The later years of school basically consisted of "everything you were taught before is wrong".

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:19 pm UTC
by LockeZ
HES wrote:
hetas wrote:Never take granted anything you were taught in school.

The later years of school basically consisted of "everything you were taught before is wrong".

In fourth grade we were taught the list of specific modern list seven seas that Wikipedia has an objectionable "weasel words" flag on. If I still had my textbook I could add a citation to that motherfucker. Of course, we also learned that the sun was the biggest star in the universe.

operagost wrote:I'm sick of people calling the US "America".


Too bad, it's our country, we get to call it whatever we want!

In unrelated news, I like it when these lists actually correlate. Like, I wonder if each dwarf has a favorite layer of dip. In my head canon each of the Apostles of Christ has a different zodiological sign.

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:23 pm UTC
by rmsgrey
operagost wrote:It also would be nice to discard the notion of single American continent because I'm sick of European trolls calling me a "USian". Apparently, hordes of Spanish and Portuguese-speaking peoples of other nations like to call themselves "Americans" in English, for some curious reason.


Besides, everyone knows that Mexico and Canada and Belize and Costa Rica and El Salvador and Guatemala and Honduras and Nicaragua and Cuba and assorted Caribbean Islands are all just parts of the US anyway, so there's no need to distinguish a resident of North America from a resident of the US...

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:34 pm UTC
by jpvlsmv
Envelope Generator wrote:Guacamole is one of the seven ________?

Less-Interesting things to describe a Mole of.

(Others include Mole sauce and melanocytic skin lesions)

--Joe

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:54 pm UTC
by Envelope Generator
LockeZ wrote:In unrelated news, I like it when these lists actually correlate. Like, I wonder if each dwarf has a favorite layer of dip. In my head canon each of the Apostles of Christ has a different zodiological sign.


In my headcanon this is what category theory is about. Also every apostle has a function key!

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:21 pm UTC
by da Doctah
You left out the most culturally significant Set of Seven in history! One of those dwarves should be named "Mrs Howell".

Then there's the Seven Things Not Beginning With K That The Letter K Is An Abbreviation For:

  • black
  • strikeout
  • potassium
  • absolute temperature
  • one thousand
  • one thousand twenty-four
  • federal reserve bank of Dallas

(A real set that some of us should recognize: Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian and Locrian.)

Re: 1417: "Seven"

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:29 pm UTC
by squareroot
Wait wait wait -- I thought Data Link was Hylian, not a Dwarf?