1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: Time: IF B IS THE BFTF REPRESENTATION OF B THEN WHO IS THE BSTA EQUIVALENT OF MRORL?

Postby balthasar_s » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:30 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:None of those are easy to answer.
I thought the second one is. And you answered it:
mrob27 wrote:The colours [...] seem to be there to disambiguate one speaker, narrator, and/or voice from another.

And that's all.
Or almost all:
mrob27 wrote:The colours seem to be chosen arbitrarily
Actually, no.
The blue:
12: B the guy
and then:
  • In frames 0042-0068, 0098 for B's dialogue

then 113: Be the girl
and then:
  • In frames 0146-0174 for KXA's dialogue


See 146 and 98. The frames have the same words of kxa with different colours.

mrob27 wrote: the "default" colour which I guess we can call "black"
We can. bsta.css says that all text must be black unless this rule is overridden with something else.

mrob27 wrote:Okay, so there is a different narrator in frames 0189-present. But we knew that,
good that this is known.
mrob27 wrote: Apparently you are saying this is meaningful somehow. But we can't read minds.
When the narration changed I also changed the text colour, like before. I hoped that if people reading bsta notice the color change they will know (because they have seen how textcolour behavers in the dialogues) what it means. And now I was just wondering if that's what actually happened.

Only one more thing to see here: the text changed to blue (and not something else) and I hope it's clear now what blue text means.
mrob27 wrote:the narrator on 0187 said they were going to leave US to play the game
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1190: Time: "THIS IS NOT OTTCOLOURISED!" I SCREAMED AS THE FIRST CLERIC EE:EE:EED

Postby mrob27 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:14 pm UTC

Thank you for your patience.
balthasar_s wrote:I thought the second one is. And you answered it:

It was easy to answer, but impossible to know if that was the answer that you (or someone else) might have thought was easy.

At any rate, it seems that colour 0057AF signifies who "the reader" is "being". That would mean that the reader is also "being" one of the Joes (Old Joe or Young Joe) in frames 0138-0144. And I guess that is a useful insight, because of the apparently extradiagetic NICE DROP! in frame 0183 becomes a little more related to those in 0142, 0143 (but only a little? because those are in some greenish colour 08B000).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GnomeAnne » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 pm UTC

New OtherComic.

It's even a little bit related.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:52 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Marvelous Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:25 am UTC

I saw the Panther Salve Movie (hexcode 000000) about the raptorcatman todip. It's molpish, steakish, and wingish.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GnomeAnne » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:28 am UTC

I might have to give that a watch as well, then.
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1190: Time: OH GLR HOW DID LEGO GET HERE I AM NOT GOOD WITH ONGS

Postby mrob27 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 pm UTC

I've looked into the BSTA colours a bit more. Again I didn't have to spam the server because I have downloaded each frame once and I view them on my own machine without the Internet. I looked at the palettes in the PNG files (I do not know how to get palettes from the GIFs) and found four:

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        000000 aaaaaa bb6622 ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000001.png)
        000000 0057af bb6622 ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000030.png)
        000000 08b000 aa22bb ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000138.png)
                (no palette)         (first seen in bsta-000175.png)

That's:
  000000 AAAAAA BB6622 FFFFFF
  000000 0057AF BB6622 FFFFFF
  000000 08B000 AA22BB FFFFFF
The interesting thing (perhaps) is that BSTA 0175 seems to be a PNG file with no PLTE. That's not typical for @balthasar_s but it's totally valid PNG. Frame 0175 is colour type 2, bit depth 8, which means that every pixel is 24 bits (8 bits each of R,G,B) and it's conceivable that we might be able to ENHANCE the image and find something. I tried, but didn't see much, apart from the wheel stick (which is perfect!)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:49 am UTC

AHH!
Spiders!

I had to do Big Suck battle with a wall of Spiders!
It was scary. It was exhausting. It is done. phew.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:51 am UTC

addams wrote:It was scary. It was exhausting. It is done. phew.
Are you sure?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:00 am UTC

No...
Not forever, done.
We all know they will come back.

But, I will have little skirmishes.
Not; Epic Spider Battles.

The "I have a Spider on Me Dance" is exhausting.
I performed multiple free form performances. whine...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Peaceful Whale » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:23 am UTC

addams wrote:No...
Not forever, done.
We all know they will come back.

But, I will have little skirmishes.
Not; Epic Spider Battles.

The "I have a Spider on Me Dance" is exhausting.
I performed multiple free form performances. whine...


I have a solution:
Boring Company Flamethrower.
It’s a glorified propane torch, so you won’t get burning napalm all over your house, if you use it wisely, only spiders and spider webs will burn...
When the insurance company asks why you thought this was a good idea, just mention my name, they have a special fund for “accidents” associated with me.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:42 am UTC

oh...I no longer have the reflexes for FlameThrowers.
Besides; I have Big Suck. He is a Trooper. I Love him.

edit:
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He is Big Suck.
Not Big Sick;
Big Sick is Me!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:25 am UTC

Indeed, it's even Megan's weapon of choice.

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Re: 1190: Time: I can't sleep because I'm ottifying my mustardis.

Postby balthasar_s » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:09 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:(I do not know how to get palettes from the GIFs) and found four:
I use libdevilAlso here is the GIF format specification if you want to do it by yourself: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/GIF/spec-gif89a.txt

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        000000 aaaaaa bb6622 ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000001.png)

what about bsta-000000.png?

The interesting thing (perhaps) is that BSTA 0175 seems to be a PNG file with no PLTE. That's not typical for @balthasar_s but it's totally valid PNG.
This is a mistake which will be corrected.

mrob27 wrote:That would mean that the reader is also "being" one of the Joes (Old Joe or Young Joe) in frames 0138-0144.

The story doesn't suggest anywhere that the reades suddenly is being Joe. You would expect to still be KXA.
But maybe KXA is being Joe when she reads "Old Joe and Young Joe" just like the reader is being her when reading BSTA?
If KXA is being Joe while you're being KXA then maybe you're also being Joe somehow?
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1190: Time: GREAT LORD RANDALL IT'S A FIRSTPOST GET IN THE BUNGALOW

Postby mrob27 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:32 am UTC

Yes, if beingness is transitive. Which it would be, as being is being, num' sein?

I am slightly embarassed to discover that not only did I forget that there was a BSTA frame 0000, but even my BSTA bot thought that 0 was an invalid frame number. Bad bot.

Thanks for the pointers. I found this GIF decoder source code and got it working fairly quickly. The palette of BSTA frame 0006 is, unsurprisingly, 000000 AAAAAA BB6622 FFFFFF. I can automate this a bit more to check all the GIFs if this seems like a thing that might want to be done.
  Perhaps slightly more surprising, the FFFFFF is repeated 4 more times (for a total of 8 possible pixel values). So the white pixels in the GIFs might "hide" something :twisted:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby squonk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:18 pm UTC

Dropped in to see if anyone's figured out the language yet.

No?

OK, see y'all again in a couple years.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:32 pm UTC

Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:51 pm UTC

Weather Report!
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Spoken openly and whispered while looking at flowers that have been 'tricked' into thinking it is Spring.

Snow!
They are saying we will get Snow in two days Time.
I will be watching and waiting and covering up my Citrus Trees.

It is, just, so weird.
We have had 70 F. days and balmy nights.
We get Snow every five to seven years.

We had Snow last year!
We should be inoculated against Snow.

it is all very exciting.
I will let you know if Snow Flakes drift to the ground.

!t may be a conspiracy theory.
Earth Against My Garden!

Sorry.
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I am down at the intellectual level of:
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You will be the Second to know.

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Re: 1190: Time: GREAT LORD RANDALL IT'S A FIRSTPOST GET IN THE BUNGALOW

Postby balthasar_s » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:53 pm UTC

mrob27 wrote:Perhaps slightly more surprising, the FFFFFF is repeated 4 more times (for a total of 8 possible pixel values). So the white pixels in the GIFs might "hide" something :twisted:
I'll try to explain this.
A GIF can have 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, or 256 colours.
So why 8 and not 4?
The gif bsta frames are made in such a way that the frames of the animation contain only the difference from the previous. The rest is transparent.
This way the file size is smaller.
But because of this transparency a palette of 4 is not enough any more. The redundant whites can be safely ignored

There is one special BSTA frame for wich I made an exception and used a 5-color palette.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:27 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:There is one special BSTA frame for wich I made an exception and used a 5-color palette.
What's the difference between a five color palette and an eight color palette with three unused colors?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GnomeAnne » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:40 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:32 pm UTC

yappobiscuits wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:I want to read through balthapuzzler's clues about colors and see what he's getting at (and mrob's responses to see what he knows), but it will have to wait (for it) until after I listen to Mahler iv a few times.

Oh let me help you!
*flute and sleigh bells* plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink
diddle diddle dum dum, diddle diddle dum, diddle dum, diddle dum, diddle dum
Daa daa daa DA dum daaa, diddle diddle dum dum daaaaa da...

Maybe you could ottify it to help you remember it. Though that would be tricky as only the 4th movement has any words... Das OTTische Leben?

OMR, that is totally what it sounds like. :azule: You've ruined it for me--I couldn't unhear that! :) Hm, would I OTTify the translation, or would I have to come up with some German OTTish?

addams wrote:AHH!
Spiders!

I had to do Big Suck battle with a wall of Spiders!
It was scary. It was exhausting. It is done. phew.

A wall of spiders? A WALL OF SPIDERS?? :shock:
Just the thought of that makes me want to hide, curled up in a fetal position.

squonk wrote:Dropped in to see if anyone's figured out the language yet.

No?

OK, see y'all again in a couple years.

No, we've been waiting for you to do it. Get back here! :)

taixzo wrote:Indeed, it's even Megan's weapon of choice.

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Awesomeful. :D

So, there isn't something hiding in the bsta frames? If there is, I wouldn't know how to find it. How it was found in taixzo's story is still a mystery to me.

So the dialogue colors in bsta are an indication of point of view, basically. Very clever! And a little bit of a puzzle since, as mrob points out, we can read minds. Now, I wonder if point of view will change again? Will we follow the box to wherever the Mustardis is taking it?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:40 am UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:A wall of spiders? A WALL OF SPIDERS?? :shock:
Just the thought of that makes me want to hide, curled up in a fetal position.
Hey... it lowers carpentry costs! And it's probably better than a wall of carpenter ants - they bring union problems.

lmjb1964 wrote:
yappobiscuits wrote:*flute and sleigh bells* plink plink plink plink plink plink plink plink
diddle diddle dum dum, diddle diddle dum, diddle dum, diddle dum, diddle dum...
OMR, that is totally what it sounds like.
I'm going to have to have a listen. It won't be the first time I've had to go back to the library!

squonk wrote:OK, see y'all again in a couple years.
That's someone truly dedicated to the First Commandment!

(Wait a minute... is it really "waiting for it" if xe's doing something else while waiting? I'll have to convene the Grand Canonical Ensemble!)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:07 am UTC

ucim wrote:(Wait a minute... is it really "waiting for it" if xe's doing something else while waiting?
if doing something else and waiting then yes, if doing something else and not waiting then no.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:48 am UTC

That was easily settled.
This Thread is Famous for That.

That and Hats.
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Re: 1190: "Mustardis Ong"

Postby GnomeAnne » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:13 pm UTC

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Ok, this was fun. Now time to...

What?
Why did it just
disappear?


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:17 pm UTC

It is a Tardis?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GnomeAnne » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:20 pm UTC

addams wrote:It is a Tardis?

Hmm
You could be on to something here.
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1190: Time: INSTANT PRICKLYMOLP, JUST ADD TARDISES

Postby mrob27 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:09 am UTC

I did a little more work on my GIF file palette decoder.

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 000000 aaaaaa bb6622 ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000000.png)
 000000 aaaaaa bb6622 ffffff ffffff ffffff ffffff ffffff (first seen in bsta-000006.gif)
 000000 0057af bb6622 ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000030.png)
 000000 0057af bb6622 ffffff ffffff ffffff ffffff ffffff (first seen in bsta-000039.gif)
 000000 08b000 aa22bb ffffff  (first seen in bsta-000138.png)
         (no palette)         (first seen in bsta-000175.png)
 000000 0057af bb6622 ffffff 0057af 0057af 0057af 0057af (first seen in bsta-000178.gif)
 000000 bb6622 aaaaaa 0057af ffffff 0057af 0057af 0057af (first seen in bsta-000181.gif)
 000000 0057af bb6622 ffffff 000000 000000 000000 000000 (first seen in bsta-000193.gif)

As @balthasar_s suggested, BSTA frame 0181 is a GIF (animated) frame with 5 colours: 000000 BB6622 AAAAAA 0057AF FFFFFF. (I also re-downloaded frame 0175, no change as yet.)
What?
Why did it just
disappear?

Yeah, the MusTARDIS derezzed. Who didn't see that coming? :D And it managed to do so without a limited-edition 5-colour palette.
Robert Munafohttp://mrob.com@mrob_27
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