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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:14 pm UTC

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Aside: The only way Town can survive a mislynch today is if moody survives. Worst case scenario for scum is if Madge is lynched, since there would be nobody that scum could safely target without risking having the kill redirected back to them.

Plus who would be his partner? Madge? Unlikely due to D1 bus. So bessie? Two of my towniest reads, with everyone else making mistakes left and right? Could be true, they definitely deserve the win if that's the case.


Pretty much this.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby flicky1991 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:32 pm UTC

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*reads spoilers* Jimbob and bessie?! How is this possible I need to read more
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:47 pm UTC

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If my submitted ability is in the hands of scum and the mods haven't changed it too much then we're probably screwed anyway. :?

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:46 am UTC

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Welp! It's strange comfort knowing I couldn't have saved myself.

Jimbob! I knew it! I friggin knew I should have stuck to my guns when it occurred to me. I think town must be sunk. But good luck.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:04 pm UTC

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why did scum kill off someone they has poisened?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:43 pm UTC

wam wrote:Santa

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why did scum kill off someone they has poisened?

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I'm a little confused by that myself. I think that's just when it took effect.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby plytho » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:48 pm UTC

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wam wrote:Santa

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why did scum kill off someone they has poisened?
Spoiler:
Maybe they were trying to dodge moody's redirect?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:53 pm UTC

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Oh yeah, wanted to write out my frustration regarding why the button-pusher ability is contrary to the spirit of the game and hopefully is just faked by Madge (does not appear to be likely).
1. Unless bastardry is explicitly stated and expected people like to know what they are doing with their powers. E.g. Doc who secretly kills their target instead of protecting is a terrible idea. It's a part of the game where you can contribute to your team's chance of success with good use of your ability.
2. Nobody can mention/hint/claim their submitted roles and we pretend like the abilities came out of nowhere. However we all are aware of what we submitted and it creates an asymmetric situation. This is especially exacerbated if the power usage or info gained from it depends on this outside knowledge. As mentioned before my ability is also very similar in this regard as the player who submitted it can easily avoid the pitfall it represents.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Peaceful Whale » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:39 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Secret Santa

wam wrote:Santa

Spoiler:
why did scum kill off someone they has poisened?
Spoiler:
Maybe they were trying to dodge moody's redirect?


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I believe that the redirect made them think that someone else was poisoned, IDK.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:59 pm UTC

wam wrote:Santa

Spoiler:
why did scum kill off someone they has poisened?


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Only the NK is redirected upward. Scum doesn't know this.


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I'm not sure that you should post the scum chat without asking them first.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:54 am UTC

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So nobody claimed my submitted power though bessie comes close with the mechanic.
Scenario 1: someone is lying about their power. Most likely bessie or Madge (moody claimed very early, jimbob's is reasonable after Crossover, probably submitted by bessie who likes to have Backup in the game.
Scenario 2: mods modified the power to a large extent. I don't think I can use this.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby plytho » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:36 am UTC

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[quote="somitomi"][/quote] somitomi,
why didn't you share anything from Madge's power?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby LaserGuy » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:58 am UTC

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I will actually find it pretty funny if Town comes to the correct conclusion (bessie scum) for completely the wrong reasons here.

I think scum is actually getting themselves into some trouble D3. bessie's claim is super fishy. jimbob made a mistake earlier that strongly suggests he's seen bessie's role (he talked about a delayed roleblock, which seems a bit of a stretch for even jimbob to guess out of thin air). Town could yet pull this off.

[edit]Also interesting that Madge forgot her ability was compulsive. I think she will be upset when she finds out what message was sent.
[edit2]In retrospect I probably should have given Madge more indication of what her item actually does when she presses the buttons. Oh well.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:46 am UTC

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Initially it seemed probable that I got the message from a townie so I didn't want to say much about it lest I reveal something to scum they didn't know. I thought I'd wait and see if it becomes relevant, for example because someone was seen targeting me. And then the whole thing didn't occur to me until Liri's question here but by the time I read it I was declared dead. It never occured to me, that the user might not know what their power does... :shock:
I definitely shouldn't have said "I have nothing to claim" just like that, perhaps I should've added "right now" or said something like "I received a message" and leave it at that. Guess I'm learning...
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:34 am UTC

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So I've abstained from reading spoilers until now and
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:39 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
wam wrote:Santa

Spoiler:
why did scum kill off someone they has poisened?


Santa
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Only the NK is redirected upward. Scum doesn't know this.


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I'm not sure that you should post the scum chat without asking them first.


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but moody didn't use his power so they must have aimed at Liri
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby plytho » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:51 pm UTC

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wam wrote:but moody didn't use his power so they must have aimed at Liri
If scum thinks moody's power rotated the other way because it did for the kill, they think someone else is poisoned.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:05 pm UTC

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Stop posting so much! You're driving me crazy. :lol:

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:44 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Secret Santa
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Stop posting so much! You're driving me crazy. :lol:

Don't read.
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I'm gonna be hella impressed if you pull it off.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:48 pm UTC

That's just mean. :D

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Peaceful Whale » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:41 pm UTC

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SUPER SPOILY DO NOT READ ACTIVE PLAYERS

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If there are any active players reading this, you have 3 minutes before the devil eats your soul.

For spectators/dead players:
Here’s the scum chat:

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/L43abptGEmEAR
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:05 pm UTC

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One way for Town to catch scum is to use abilities and notice inconsistencies in scum's claims because of the interactions of those abilities. Denying us that knowledge has a direct impact on the outcome of the game.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby moody7277 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:12 pm UTC

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The reason for PW's most recent post is to explain to the peanut gallery that there was some sort of interaction between my and Liri's powers on N1, which is why bessie and Madge are getting confusing results, implying that the scum-team is somehow Sabrar-jimbob.
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In other news, the trend toward lynching me for info should be sending up warning bells, since that time was D2, and the info we got was Sabrar was full of crap with his lemma 0. Most likely will be putting down my vote on Sabrar Tuesday-ish, but for pro forma reasons I may want to wait until Sabrar puts his vote on me down.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:11 am UTC

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OK guys, are you gonna buy jim's bessie read? I think it might go too far - it's so in-depth that I want to think, "wow, he really is her partner." And, I think narrowing her potential partner to moody will ring some bells. moody knows he isn't her partner.

Madge, I'm sorry you've got mega scum meta stuff going on. I bit that pretty hard. Glad you weren't lynched when I voted for you.

Sabrar, I think your early weirdness pinged me to the point that I was blinded to bessie and jim. If I'd had your later posting early on, I don't think I'd have settled on jim as being so trustworthy.

All in all, I think being aware of the meta game but not having been part of it screwed me over a bit.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:50 pm UTC

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Currently I think it's bessie+moody but it's close.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby flicky1991 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:56 pm UTC

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If either of the two you mention flip scum, I'd have to re-evaluate my entire life, as they're my towniest reads.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:10 pm UTC

flicky1991 wrote:Secret Santa
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If either of the two you mention flip scum, I'd have to re-evaluate my entire life, as they're my towniest reads.
:lol:

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man that's rough

jimbob has really been throwing himself into this game; at this point it would be a shame if they lost
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:34 pm UTC

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Well, I think this game is basically sown up now. There's a small chance that one of bessie or I is poisoned, but even then, with a moody lynch, it's reasonably likely that we'll get a kill off tonight. Just need to avoid Madge thinking that I am scum, and so to avoid her using a random ability on me that could do something really crazy.

The biggest problem I find with playing scum is lynching people you have a town lean on. flicky, you were a prime example of this. If I'd been town, I'd likely have gone after Madge or Liri D2, so sorry for helping getting you kicked out of the game so swiftly. I hope you didn't take it personally :D
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby moody7277 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:59 pm UTC

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So, hello endgame blues. Could scum really have adjusted in the ten minutes of D1 and jimbob really be scum? Basically it was looking increasingly that I was going to be mislynched anyway.

By the way, how close to LYLO deadline is town supposed to wait before voting? For future reference.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:59 pm UTC

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Sabrar wrote:@jimbob: if you're scum with bessie just get her in here and end this.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:08 pm UTC

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jimbobmacdoodle wrote:A fair comment, but I'm not convinced that somitomi would have thought of that, so I don't think we can read too much into that phrase.

Finallly, someone considers the fact that I'm a newbie loser... :oops:
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby bessie » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:31 pm UTC

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I think I know what is in Peaceful Whale’s SUPER SPOILY post. Scum chat has a lot more views this weekend. :P

This is where I usually make my D3 Gojoe post appealing to the spectators to send me some positive energy because I’m running dry for content. And I’m struggling; I’ve been working at this all day. But no one will be rooting for me this time anyway, because I’m scum. I’m trying to say positive but I have no idea what I’m supposed to be doing. What does Sabrar see? Why am I scummy? I will never be able to match Sabrar at this game; he is too smart for me. But I still have faith that jimbob will figure it out, as he quite brilliant too, and hope that we can win this. Or at least make a worthy effort. :)

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:19 am UTC

Secret Santa @bessie:
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I might be biased, because I'm looking at the game with knowledge of the spoilers, but I think you have a reasonable chance of owning us. I haven't been keeping notes on people since my death, but it seem like the bessie+jimbob scum team has only been suggested in jest. Sabrar seems to think moody+someone, moody has Sabrar+Madge as most probable (and the actual mafia as least probable) and Madge doesn't have a scummate for bessie.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:00 am UTC

Secret Santa 2017:
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confused Madge wrote:Can you confirm or deny whether you became DISTORTED????? :P

Seriously I wonder what that flavour meant...

scum can you pls kill me so town can work out what the hell I did?

Sure, right after we hammer moody, just to make sure that we win. :twisted:

By the way, for spectators, bessie and I didn't hammer moody because there is a chance that one of us dies overnight, due to bessie's N1 action, and Madge could theoretically prevent the night kill as well. We need to ensure that Madge targets bessie or Sabrar, and not me, so that I can safely use the kill. The anticipated look of confusion on Sabrar's virtual face is a bonus.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:14 pm UTC

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I hope all the spectators are enjoying the show of me being totally clueless. I'm ~95% sure that jimbob is Town based on his content alone but then I simply don't understand why moody cleared him so early and is consistently defending him.
Btw my masterplan is to somehow survive the night (yeah, right) and then be the first to vote, hoping that I choose correctly. My target will be forced to vote me back, allowing me to kill him/her and not needing the second townie to decide correctly.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby somitomi » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:02 pm UTC

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What's taking so long? I've been sitting on the edge of my seat for days waiting for the big finale.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:54 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:Secret Santa
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What's taking so long? I've been sitting on the edge of my seat for days waiting for the big finale.

Spoiler:
I know. Moody's got to get Sabrar and Madge behind him quickly. Sabrar might be willing to go after bessie first. We'll see.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:16 pm UTC

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Oh what I would give to know how moody's mind works...

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Liri » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:28 am UTC

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby wam » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:46 am UTC

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probably a good job I'm not playing would so be calling this wrong.
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