Please answer my question and why you're dodging it.
I did not consider the first post as part of my read on Vicarin, so pretending that I did would be disingenuous. I read the second one, thought, "Oh wow, Vicarin is obvtown", and made a note of it.
I'm not asking you to pretend anything. I'm asking you for the nth time to reevaluate that consideration based on the relevant contextual information I pointed out. Or, point out why that contextual information isn't relevant right now
not at the time you made your read.
This is our conversation:
LG: this post makes Vic look townie
P: please consider the context of the earlier post, does that change your mind
LG: that one post makes Vic look townie
P: I think the context is relevant, please consider it
LG: that one post makes vic look townie
P: are you saying the context isn't relevant?
LG: back when said Vic was townie based on that post I didn't consider the context
Vicarin wrote:I was worried about someone throwing the game on a subconscious level, or at least not really trying their hardest, if they felt that they had the Sash wincon locked in at least. Thankfully, that's not an issue.
Right. I didn't consider townies subconsciously throwing the game. Still, to me this would fall under "very little reason to care about who has it" and as such it's a negligeable difference for town compared to the actual scenario.
On the other hand, for scum the difference between pyrrhic and non-pyrrhic is significant as it strongly increases their odds of a sash win.
So a "sweet, townies can't win through a pyrrhic victory" sentiment seems more apt coming from scum than from town.
@all: your comments on this reasoning please.
Most of plytho’s content prior to his recent reads list has been short questions with minimal follow-up, reads, or analysis. I don’t really feel that there has been a level of engagement that is really consistent with his Town play, but does look a lot like his scum play in wam’s chaos.
BoomFrog wrote:You found plytho very scummy before the Vic slip was explained and before his reads list so I'm ignoring those for now which leaves only your first line. Is that really not what plytho does in town games early D1? What do you expect town plytho to be doing differently?
Scumhunting? Game solving? Providing some level of reads or analysis? You've played with him before. Feel free to pick any of his Town games and see if you can spot the differences. Stellaris and Meta Mafia are good references. Contrast Chaos mafia for a scum game.
crossover: Can't really find something quickly. I got into a huge argument with bessie so probably did look engaged.
secret santa: viewtopic.php?p=4276405#p4276405
bessie wrote: Your content so far in this game has been, well, for you, pretty tame, as already noted by me. You are usually more confrontational, but you possibly were purposely so in Crossover in an effort to make it your town meta. So I don’t know what to think right now, except to note that you have made a conscious decision in the past to develop a meta, and you may be doing so now.
plytho's content is very light this game. I haven't really noticed him at all, which pings me since he's normally much more, um, involved. Leaves me wondering if he's a little self-conscious about being lynched and isn't putting himself out there.
meta mafia: viewtopic.php?p=4358290#p4358290
SDK wrote:@LaserGuy: Why plytho?
Most of my reads D1 are a combination of gutreads, tone, and meta. There isn't really a lot to analyse at this point, which is one of the reasons why I hate D1 and normally try to replace in later in the game if I can. Once we get some juicy night results to analyse things become much easier for me. But if I felt that someone was being overly cautious, not wanting to engage, and maybe a bit lurkier than I normally associate with them, that might be enough to put someone on the naughty list at this point.
texas holdem: I was busy D1 and announced this beforehand so didn't really get any complaints there. (aside from bessie, I guess)
So, yeah. People/you have been saying this before in most of my town games.
Looking at his reads in detail, what I mostly see here again is information over analysis. He mostly summarizes people’s content, but doesn’t actually explain why this makes anyone Town/scum. This is particularly true of BoomFrog, moody, me, jimbob.
yup, my reads are shitty. All I have is the Vic slip, almost everyone else is somewhat scummy.
The Vicarin “slip” feels quite manufactured to me. I think plytho has fallen into the same trap as Vic/wam did in WoT3, of assuming that Town should be focused on their secondary wincon rather than realizing that the optimal play for Town is to win as Town, and let the sash business sort itself on its own. Vic is correct here, and not only is this not a slip, but it’s a pro-Town suggestion from Vicarin.
It's not a trap, it's the rules. Vicarin was happy about something that benefits scum more than it benefits town. This has nothing to do with a suggestion.