This will likely be my only full reread for D1, but I think there's enough to go on to do a basic one. Notes in spoiler as always.bessie:
I'm about 95% certain bessie has access to the town win condition. Lacking any more information, however, I don't think that necessarily clears her as town. However, some of her comments relating to that that do make me think she likely is, because I'm not sure that scum!bessie would make these sort of comments. I can't point to specific points, it's more just the general feel of what she said. Nothing particularly stands out otherwise with her play. Maybe Town.FreezeBlade:
Not much to go on here. No indication from his comments re. receiving the town win condition. No obvious opinions yet, but this is normal for freezeblade D1, especially this early. I do like him asking Sabrar about why he asked about voting abilities, but there's not really enough to put a label on yet.
freezeblade wrote:I feel like I am uniquely qualified to address this (as I've been scum very often on these forms. Infamous for it it seems). Of the last 10 games where I have played mafia/nontown There has been 0 indication of what the town's win condition may be in any of the role PMs, some of these games had non-bog-standard town win conditions, some of them didn't list town's win condition in the opening post.
FWIW, most recent games have had the town role PM sent to the mafia, or is posted publicly by the mod.LaserGuy:
I have no problems with LaserGuy. Indications are that he has access to the town role PM. Generally feels like he's saying things that town would be more likely to say, although it's still early days. Maybe Town.Liri:
Not much content here yet, and certainly not enough to draw any conclusions on, but he is new. I'm a little confused by this statement:
Liri wrote:If scum don't know the win-con, then I'd assume there's something wonky
@Liri - what do you mean by wonky in this context? As in is the game unusual/unbalanced/bastard etc?Mark_Cangila:
Generally feeling is that Mark_Cangila is willing, but uncertain townie. I don't really get a newbie scum vibe from him. An indie without access to the town win condition is certainly also plausible, due to his comments surrounding the revealing of the win condition. Only really mentioned Sabrar and Vicarin though.
@Mark_Cangila: Please pick at least two players other than Sabrar or Vicarin to look at in a little more depth and explain what you think of them and why.Maven89:
Maven89 wrote:It's likely they have day chat, that's the norm for mafia
Side point: although it's been the norm recently for scum to have day chat, it certainly wasn't previously, so don't assume that the apparent lack of day chat between two players implies that they aren't scum buddies.
I'm liking Maven's content so far. He seems to be pursuing sensible lines of enquiry, thinking about multiple people etc. He definitely has access to the town win condition, although this doesn't make him guaranteed town. Still, likely town in my opinion.
@Maven - why would claiming the town win condition give you a town pass?mpolo:
Not much content here. The IGMEOY on Sabrar is about it. The lack of explanation might suggest that it should be clear in his opinion why, and assuming it is for the reason I think it is, then I can understand it. No opinion as of yet.
@mpolo: Please explain your IGMEOY on Sabrar (or give a reason as to not to explain it).plytho:
Not too much from plytho yet either, but his suspicion of Sabrar is understandable, and he explained himself well on this when I asked him about it. Maybe slightly town, although tracking what has been spilled by town is an interesting comment.Sabrar:
Sabrar wrote:From his posting I don't see Mark_Cangila receiving advice from other players so if scum has day-chat I think he's Town.
What about an independent?
Sabrar wrote:@bessie, freezeblade, jimbob, LaserGuy: what is your opinion about the possibility of vote-changing mechanics not showing up in the votals?
I have no personal issues with this, as long as it is balanced. I was one in Shakespeare 2, I think it was (no time to check), although I don't remember what the bastardry levels of that game were. I do think it means we have to be careful with what we do with our votes (i.e. don't put people at L-1 until we are ready for them to be lynched, but similarly, don't have two people next to each other approaching deadline, to avoid a tied vote). I think that if there are any then they won't be too dominating, maybe at most two such abilities, and probably nothing stronger than a hidden extra vote, possibly that has to be fixed at some point. Not sure what you hope to get out of this question though. I assume the answer will be forthcoming.
I've read through all of Sabrar's posts and I completely agree that he was being very defensive early on, to the detriment of most other content. I think that it's valid to some extent, but I do wonder about how touchy he appeared to get around the subject of the role PM and the information therein. I'm not convinced that this means that he didn't have the role PM, but on the other hand, the post that suggests that he did might just mean he has similar information to what is contained in the town win-con, and made an educated guess to throw people off. Slightly suspicious. Want to see more from him on other topics apart from about himself.SDK:
I'm not sure about SDK. He's not said all that much, but I'm not sure why he bothered asking Sabrar about the mod question, and his comments re. meta don't seem to really have any purpose behind them either. I'm surprised he hasn't started drilling into somebody as much as I'd expect from him, but maybe that's just a) because he's getting back into the game, and b) we're not even 48 hours in, so maybe it's too early to tell. I'd like to see a little more concrete reasons for his suspicions on wam, if he has any. Slightly suspicious.
I've run out of time for the other two. I'll try to get to them on the bus in the morning tomorrow. Otherwise, no idea when I'll get a chance. Also not updated the above with posts from plytho's at 9.28pm UTC.