I like a lot of what Laser has said toDay; in particular, his cases on Bessie and Sabrar. I think Sabrar is incorrect with how similar his play here has been to Crossover. I also had that thought and think Laser's point of view is valid. ((There are differences though that he didn't point out or pick up on)). Despite how consistent of a Scum read Laser has been for me, I have genuinely considered that I may just be tunnel minded and consequently have gone through his posts from the point of view that he is Town; however, I keep coming back to his "*squints* is this a slip" post and cannot get over it.
I have done my best to explain why this is scummy, but I feel there is more to my feeling that I have not been able to express, because no one else seems to think this is as suspicious as I do. This may stem from the unique perspective I have of being the one to have pushed PW for the (what I thought to have been) slip he made in Halloween, and of having observed the reactions to it then. I vehemently felt that PW's grammar mistake was a scum slip in that game. Laser had waited to comment on it, and when doing so, responded to it offhandedly, giving the impression that he did not think it was that condemning. I understand that LaserGuy was technically Indy who whose goal was to get NKed, but his strategy for doing so was to play as a Townie. Super Townie to be exact
. Laser did decide (in Gojoe) that he wanted to swing the lynch away from PW, but this was later after scum reading PW for another post.
Regardless, the most important point is that Laser was definitely aware of the situation that game. Even if he were not playing exactly as he would have if he were Town, he was in the game and knew about PW's grammar blunder. He should have known, therefore, that such a thing is not reliably alignment indicative for PW (as PW flipped Town). That's what makes his reaction to PW's somewhat ambiguous (it wasn't ambiguous to me) statement this game seem so unnatural. I think it is very likely that Laser, knowing that PW was Scum, thought that PW had slipped and wanted to get out ahead of it; especially knowing that PW had been called out and lynched for something similar just recently.
My opinion of Madge did not change after Sabrar's claim. I was not under the impression that she was Watcher as Boom and Sabrar were. Based off of what I know about Madge (from her self analyses) and what she finds enjoyable about the game (roles and mechanics as opposed to arguments of intent), the impression I had gotten from her play was excited PR. This was even before she began alluding to being a PR. I do think she is Scum now though, but I'm leaving this here since Laser had asked me for my read before her claim. I do not think that Town Madge would have acted in self preservation as she did if she is not actually a PR (Doc). The negative risks and consequences of pretending to be a PR far outweigh the potential benefit of her claimed reason of beer, also. In hindsight, it is very obvious now that Sabrar's reaction to Madge's Doc advice was coming from the point of view of Watcher; and it is very likely that Scum had already picked up on that even before Sabrar claimed.
(((Beer Related Side Note: You have not had beer, until you have had this
. Club Bier #02 in particular!)))
Most of my suspicions of JimBob stem from yesterDay. There were a number of times that I felt that he was deliberately misinterpreting my wording (stale, known watcher, continuous progression, and the bit about my vibe comment). It did not feel like he was actually trying to read me or understand my point of view, which is interesting considering this:
Firstly, I don't like not understanding the words of what somebody has said, and I will often ask for clarification, even if it won't necessarily help me determine any particular players alignment.
Each of those examples could have been cleared up through clarification. Furthermore, when I did clarify, Jim continued to maintain his original point rather than relent. Because of this, I feel that Jim's reading of me was not genuine.
That being said, while it is the feeling I have gotten, I do not think that is a very strong point against him. Jim is very difficult to read based on his words alone. I believe that his behavior near the deadline yesterDay, however, is a stronger tell. This is even more so with Scum Madge. Even the most self aware Scum players are limited in action. This is what I was alluding to d1 with regard to BoomFrog. Scum has
to mislynch to win the game. This is the one fact that cannot be avoided. So when it comes down to it, no matter how Townie of a voice a Scum player has, they cannot avoid unveiling at least some of their true intentions at some point in the game. This is also why I believe the time period closest to the deadline often contains the most useful information. During this time, Scum have to work the hardest to push their agenda. Furthermore, they have to react more quickly and are thus more likely to slip. Jim avoided voting both PW and Madge at the deadline despite being adamantly against No Lynching. His actions did not line up with his words and lead me to suspect that he was Scum trapped between a PW and a Madge place.
That being said again, I still think Laser is most likely the third partner, and I can think of alternate reasons for Jim's behavior. I was going to go into Bessie as well before Madge's claim, but I don't think that is necessary. I feel strongly that the remaining scum is one of the above.