This game will suck up all the time you allow it to, and then some. Rather deceptive when you’re an observer, isn’t it?LaserGuy wrote:Thanks, I'm trying my best Having a lot of fun and spending way too much time thinking about this.
My observations. If JustDanceUnlimited flips scum, it will be interesting to analyze who tried to interact with them and how, who pushed for mod action, and who was happy to ignore them and let them coast through D1. We already have this information with regard to non-town Znirk, and his lynch won’t expand on it much, since he claimed so early.Sabrar wrote:Would you mind explaining your logic here? How can lynching a complete lurker provide any information? It's just getting rid of someone who is not participating, you won't even have the chance to analyze possible connections to other players.
This actually makes sense to me. It seems like I misinterpret something in my role PM almost every game, so I completely accept your statement as possible. I had a slightly similar situation in WoT2. I also screwed up in Once Upon a Mafia when I thought I was a miller (that was a really well written game, hoping SirG decides to mod again someday!). Anyway, you still claim to be non-town, and I’m not convinced of your survivor claim.Znirk wrote:Oh hey, I had mentioned this. Yep, that turned out to be the offer of a false claim. And no, I don't really know why there was one in the first place; but, to reiterate, by the time I found out that was what it was, I had already committed to a role not in flavour or people's lists, when Rogue had been mentioned by at least one person.Znirk wrote:there's about 1/3 of my role pm where I can't even tell whether it's pure flavour or contains game-level relevant information.
This matches my current theory, that every character was created as a human with a demon option (for initial alignment by the RNG or later culting).Znirk wrote:Sabrar wrote:Why do you think Survivor was given a false claim?
To reiteraclarify: in contradiction to my earlier speculation my best guess on this is that 'survivor was given a false claim' is not what happened. Rather, the false claim offer was given to a specific character, who coincidentally also got survivor.
Wine, but I’m almost never scum (like freezeblade is almost never town ). Last time was WoT1. Before that was Secret Santa 2015 (where I requested to replace for scum because I accidently read one sentence of a spoiler so I knew who the scum team was). So any time someone tries to make a read on me and references my scum meta, I am suspicious because there is so little to work with overall, and certainly nothing recent.jimbobmacdoodle wrote:bessie: Seems fairly typical bessie to me so far. It's been a while since I've seen her play as scum (I think), so I don't know if her current typical bessie play is specific to town!bessie or any alignment.
Well, I guess that’s my playstyle. I’m not a good scum hunter. I don’t have reliable gut instincts, and I can’t do the type of behavior reads that SDK is so good at. My reads tend to be “technical” in that I look for errors and contradictions in content and in later days rely heavily on investigation results.jimbobmacdoodle wrote:I do find her suspicions on me a bit of a stretch (she doesn't like my idea of suggesting there being false claims early on, and thinks my bonus win condition query is a distraction or false claim for later). She doesn't seem to be entertaining the idea that I could be genuinely trying to figure things out...
Reread this, you are right in that you did specifically say powers and Znirk did not false claim a power. Setup speculation, I think that for this game miller was attached to/randomized with the alignments, not the roles/powers.jimbobmacdoodle wrote:I still think it likely that Madge is a miller - note that I said that I doubted fake claims for powers, and I consider Miller a part of a power. Znirk's false claim has not changed this.
Did you consider just asking the mod if you had a secondary win condition? That seems like the most obvious (and easiest) thing to do. Or have you really let a week pass without at least attempting to clear it up?jimbobmacdoodle wrote:Really? What about me trying to figure out where I stand in this game? I know my main win condition, and that is what I'll be focusing on, but I'm sure you'd have to agree that if I have a secondary win condition, I should at least make an attempt to achieve it, if it doesn't harm Town. However, in order for me to know whether this is something I need to be aware of, I shared this point, in the hope that somebody else would shed some light on things. Given there's not been a resounding chorus saying they also have bonus win conditions, I expect it's just flavour after all.bessie wrote:I feel the entire purpose of this claim is either to cause a distraction or set up a false claim later.
@jimbobmacdoodle, somewhat off topic
Carlington in Dollhouse Mafia (prepost edit Sabrar already got this one), SDK in Lego Movie Mafia, I'm sure there's more. Madge, did you do this? Or am I thinking of someone else?jimbobmacdoodle wrote:Thinking about it, I can't remember when the last person to actually be a survivor claimed as such. I'd search the forum, but from experience, Gojoe posts show up unspoilered if they contain the search-word, which is not cool at all. However, I'm sure I've seen it. If anybody else can remember when, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Mostly. I’m reading you as scum partners with Znirk, or mafia that doesn’t want to lynch a non-town player (for various reasons). You are scummier than Znirk on my list because he may be telling the truth. Also, there’s something that bugs me about this, I’m just not sure what (something other than me just not agreeing with it):Sabrar wrote:@bessie: in your reads list basically the only thing you mention about me is my 'defense' of Znirk. Is the reason I'm being your pick for most scummy player tied to that? If yes, why?
Sabrar wrote:From personal experience this sentiment is more indicative of scum, town should be happy that there is less space for scum to hide.Gopher of Pern wrote:It's essentially turning them into a protected class, which kinda ticks me off.
Re my vote for JustDanceUnlimited. I would consider switching to Carlington because I think he’s possibly lurking scum. We still have about 14 hours for something to happen.