Alright, let's case kalira.
kalira's first post
is generally fine. Some reasonable questions and condemns the wam wagon for having "pretty shaky justification", which is also pretty reasonable. The only unreasonable thing is that I'm to blame for the wam wagon.
kalira's second post
is a bit worse.
kalira wrote:FWIW Lawrencelot, I never said SDK was scummy for wanting people to vote right then. I just said I didn't like it because it only logically ends with a wagon with weakly justifications (IMO), especially on a D1 when there hasn't been much discussion at all.
This follows from her comment about me subversively encouraging the wam wagon. It's fine on the surface, but I feel like the tone of this response (directed at a townie, Lawrencelot) shows a bit of fear. Her later response to the same from me is also short and to the point, I'll give her that.
The rest of her post is about wam, which I'll just quote here for contrast with her later post.
wam wrote:Not liking Minestrones post straight after mine as it pings me with everyword so they have moved up to tie with MAdge and Freezeblade in my scummy list.
Are you talking about the post where he's mentioning you might be a jester? That's the only one I can think that it would be... There's nothing that screams scummy to me in that post other than the fact that he didn't give any opinion as to who to move votes to-- can you give any more detail on what you mean by that? Just prior to that, you said he seemed reasonably townie -- what caused such a quick turnaround in thought?
Overall wam's somewhat neutral leaning only slightly scummy for me because of things like the wording of the post I just quoted and the fact that he didn't explain what about it pings him (though I acknowledge that he said it was a quick post). He tries to explain away that he doesn't remember the logic for his vote on BN because of the intervening madness, even though he said in the post where he voted for him that it was because BN's actions seemed like active lurking, and some of the wording in his posts since almost smack TOO much of scum trying to seem townie. I'm not the biggest fan of how the wagon on him formed, but we have to lynch someone, and he's at least pinged me a couple of times.
wam has turned from being "a really weakly argued wagon against someone for a minor infraction" to "neutral leaning only slightly scummy" based on his response to Minestrone. wam's actions here seem perfectly reasonable to me since Minestrone's post didn't make much sense at all.
Now, kalira's third post
comes after wam has only made a single comment in defense, "@ Kalira yes the jester post. It came acrross to me that they were a scum panicking that they were bandwagoning a town, but my POV is biased." In fact, this is only wam's second post since kalira came into the game; the first was the one kalira took issue with. So where is she at now?
kalira wrote:Now, one thing that worries me about wam in addition to some of his pingy stuff while defending himself is that he didn't attempt to defend by claiming a power, even when he thought he was likely to die. His last post before the deadline was extended, he said was posting a short one and would post a detailed post just before deadline. As far as he knew at that point, that short post was his last opportunity to defend himself. If he had a town power, I feel like he would have claimed something at that point, even if just a quick sentence in his short post, to see if town thought it was worth keeping him around. And before anyone says he might be VT, I quote from the signup thread: "Everyone is guaranteed to have a power role." Unless he wants to claim he has just the crappiest of crappy powers, I doubt town!wam doesn't at least bring it up. It seems to me something that scum!wam might misstep and forget to do as he is trying his best to make himself sound towny.
Now wam is scum. What changed between these three posts to make kalira have such a change of heart? freezeblade's wagon got to 4 votes, with kalira's vote bringing wam's wagon back up to tie. The progression of her read on wam here was completely unnatural, and I suspect was likely pushed based exclusively on her buddy going down. I don't see any reason for townkalira to have such a shift, especially when she entered this game blaming me for getting wam's wagon going. This post where she talks about his lack of claim strikes me as a scummy attempt to get more meat on her vote, but I think it missed the mark. Town kalira shouldn't be so role focused for this to garner a vote.
In the same post also, for posterity:
kalira wrote:As far as FB's "I don't think I can make judgement calls on anyone else at this point," I can 'forgive' him that because it's part of my personality not to be confident in games like this...
And her last post
. I read this as scummy based mainly on her extreme jumps with regards to my own alignment.
kalira wrote:SDK: To answer your question, I was willing to back off a little on wam based on freezey's flip, esp since he started the voting on him (though there is the chance it was bussing and he didn't expect the wagon to build up on him), until that typo/slip. I can see scum deciding to take a chance on killing Lawrence based on his "If I survive" post, hoping to hit a good power role, which could mean scum!wam slipped up implying BN was not the mafia's target.
Here, kalira says wam is probably town, except that this thing SDK pointed out is super scummy so he's probably still scum. (Implication: SDK is town)
kalira wrote:As far as who's scum, "meta" tends to suggest the third or fourth person on the lynch tends to be scum, regardless of whether the lynch is of a town or a scum (lynches of independents maaaaybe get a pass there, I can't recall, though since as far as mafia knows they're just as likely town, they might count too). As BN's clearly not scum, you (fourth on the wagon) would seem to be suggested next. I am not sure yet, though. I'd like to go back and reread the votes to see if you were really fourth on, and I still can't separate our playstyle differences from your towniness/scumminess factor yet. You do get some townie factor added as far as I'm concerned for your initial pointing out of wam's typo/slip, for what that's worth.
And here kalira clings to a convention which is sometimes correct, but certainly not enough to use as a sole piece of evidence against me. This whole paragraph sounds so desperate that it has me wondering if maybe I wasn't targeted for the kill last Night because the scum team had hoped to get me lynched (so she felt like she had to try?). There's just absolutely no townie reason to push like this otherwise.
tl;dr: kalira's interactions with the wam wagon, and the progression of her read on wam, don't make sense from a townie perspective. That culiminated in a vote to tie the wagon with freezeblade, kalira's suspected scum buddy. She then takes contradictory stances that imply that I am both town and scum in her mind which ends with a desperate shot at me being scum that again doesn't make sense coming from a townie. I take this to mean that kalira hasn't really given my alignment any thought at all, something I'd think townkalira would be interested in trying to nail down.