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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:27 pm UTC

serrapaladin wrote:So you're a day mason recruiter? Why claim now? Did cj not target anyone? And mind sharing flavour?

Yes. To save just_me from the lynch and give town the box D1. cj had not yet recruited someone. I am not going to claim or hint to my flavor role name - a popular anti-mass claim is an unblockable scum kill against players whom they can guess the role name of.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby dimochka » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:35 pm UTC

grrr. I'm out of it today.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby just_me » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:40 pm UTC

1)looks like the last DJ slip that got him killed as mafia ^^

2) I can confirm what snark says.
further analysis will follow.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby dimochka » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:48 pm UTC

I'm ok with this, especially as I had said prior to Snark's posts that I think just_me is town.

un-box-vote Xeno
box vote Just_me


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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Angua » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:13 pm UTC

Snark, is claiming so early really that useful? Your mason power is apparently a pretty powerful cop, and I'm not sure how much I trust it.

I will think about this, as I'm really hungry atm and not thinking that straight, but IGMEOY.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:16 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Snark, is claiming so early really that useful?

1. just_me was leading in the votals and now won't get lynched (unless everyone continues being a complete idiot about it)
2. A townie will now definitely get the box

I thought it was useful. Though it's pretty pointless to ask the question now, don't you think.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby moody7277 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:22 pm UTC

Ugh.

So, one the one hand, Snark seemed to jump on a weak argument to vote for DJ (I think by "we" he obviously meant in the other game), and the mason recruiter seems out of the blue (cjq would have had this for several outside days, and never used it). On the other hand, it didn't seem as though he had time (about an hour and a half from joining to claiming he recruited just_me) to come up with such a bold scheme. If I'm underestimating him, please let me know.

On the gripping hand, reasonable doubt:

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Angua » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:22 pm UTC

No, because I was wanting to know why'd you'd decided to claim this. Especially as if just_me doesn't get lynched, and you don't get killed, then we have no confirmation on whether or not you're telling the truth about all this. It could be a pretty good scum move all things considered, especially if scum has a mason recruit and so you'd know that just_me would come up town even if lynched.

I'm suspicious of cop claims so early on in the game. Especially if they aren't being used to out scum, rather than just confirm town.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby dimochka » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:26 pm UTC

just in case so just_me doesn't get lynched for no good reason

vote: Djehutynakht

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Djehutynakht » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:17 pm UTC

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Djehutynakht wrote:We also had 24/7 chat in Wam's latest game (Worst Roles)


Vote: Djehutynakht



Yes. 'We' as in my scumteam and I...

...in Worst Roles Mafia. Where I was scum. Hence the 'we had'.

Actually now that I consider it that 'we' could also have been taken to mean 'those of us who played Worst Roles.

But in no sensible way could it have been taken to mean we referring to me and a hypothetical scumteam here in Sherlock. Unless Wam put ConMan and I back together for this round. Is Conman even playing? I forget, but dont think so.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby wam » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:18 pm UTC

Current Votals:

just_me - 1 (StubbsKVM)
Thirdkoopa - 1 (Angua)
Djehutynakht - 2 (snark, dimochka)

Not Voting: Djehutynakht, serrapaladin, Thirdkoopa, UniqueScreenname, Valius II, Xenomortis, bouer, dimochka, just_me

13 alive, 7 to lynch. Deadline in 13 hours 45 minutes.

Current Box Votals:

Angua - 1 (moody7277)
Xenomortis - 1 (Xenomortis)
bouer - 2 (bouer, Djehutynakht)
serrapaladin - 2 (StubbsKVM, Angua)
Just_me - 2 (snark, dimochka

Not Voting: , just_me, serrapaladin, Thirdkoopa, UniqueScreenname, Valius II


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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:47 pm UTC

If just_me doesn't get the box, every other townie in this game should be completely ashamed of yourself.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:48 pm UTC

People also need to vote for the lynch target.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Djehutynakht » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:11 am UTC

What 'lynch target'?

And why didnt you respond to my explanation?

A lack of response is bad. If youre saying Im the 'lynch target' then your audacity to think you call the shots of lynching is both unfitting of a townie and thus, scummy.

It would be a pretty big bluff, but possible.

But I would not assume you have the power to call lynches if I were you.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:21 am UTC

People need to vote for the lynch. For whomever they think is scum.

I didn't respond to your explanation because I didn't need to. What do you want me to say?
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Djehutynakht » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:52 am UTC

Explain why of all the questionable content talked about you pick the otherwise bland comment of me talking about another game?

I feel youre bandwagoning, convincing people through the use of super capitilzation, bold and (underline?) with a dramatic simple vote with no explanation.

I dont want to claim so early, but if I need to...

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:54 am UTC

I voted first. That does not a bandwagon make.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby serrapaladin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:05 am UTC

vote Thirdkoopa
box vote: serrapaladin


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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Djehutynakht » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:10 am UTC

Attempting to start a bandwagon. You know what I mean. You based it on nothing. out of pages of content you start your entire streak on something that really is nothing but you can manipulate tp sound scummy. FoS Snark (and I suppose just me by extension)


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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby moody7277 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:50 am UTC


Unvote
Box vote: serrapaladin


Making sure the one I have the solidest townie feel on gets the box. As for feelings the other way, I am giving a FoS: dimochka for following Snark's weak reasoning on voting DJ.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Snark » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:13 am UTC

Requesting deadline extension.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby UniqueScreenname » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:07 am UTC

Sorry guys. This has been an unexpectedly busy week. I also wouldn't mind an extension, and if so I'll try to get it up tomorrow.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby bouer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:24 am UTC

I'm not convinced by either just-me or serrapalidan, however if just-me turns out to be scum we catch 2 of them, whereas if serrapalidan is we only catch one. Therefore:
Unvote
Vote just-me

Next day we should give someone else the box to verify just-me did what he said he'd do.

Whoever gets the box should use the tracker or watcher, or have a very good explanation as to why they didn't.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Suzaku » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:15 am UTC

Current Votals:

just_me - 1 (StubbsKVM)
Thirdkoopa - 2 (Angua, serrapaladin)
Djehutynakht - 2 (Snark, dimochka)


Not Voting: Djehutynakht, Thirdkoopa, UniqueScreenname, Valius II, Xenomortis, bouer, just_me, moody7277

A reminder that ties will result in a No Lynch.

13 alive, 7 to lynch. Deadline in 8 hours.

Current Box Votals:

Xenomortis - 1 (Xenomortis)
bouer - 1 (Djehutynakht)
serrapaladin - 4 (StubbsKVM, Angua, serrapaladin, moody7277)
just_me - 3 (Snark, dimochka, bouer)


Not Voting: just_me, Thirdkoopa, UniqueScreenname, Valius II


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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby bouer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:51 am UTC

I'll be gone for 2 or 3 days. If I don't post for 4 days assume I was eaten by a bear.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby wam » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:11 am UTC

I will give u a 24 hr extension.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Xenomortis » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:22 am UTC

For the love of god guys, please use a readable color.
Just use color=green if you can't think of a readable hex code (#00AA00 is readable and a bit lighter than "green", or use #00BF00 if you like BoomFrog ;p).
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Djehutynakht wrote:We also had 24/7 chat in Wam's latest game (Worst Roles)


Vote: Djehutynakht

That is bullshit.
But Dj's defense is so... unnecessary? He's trying too hard.

I personally think Snark's claim was premature; there were two votes for just_me and not a lot going for them.
He claimed that his recruit is basically a cop power. Combined with the above, I'm doubting the validity of his claim.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby just_me » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:29 am UTC

1) voting thirdkoopa isn't helpful. Lurkerlynch doesn't help us. Especially if he is modkilled anyway.
2) Boxvote: just_me
because I know I am town.
I don't know whether snark is town. He recruited me into mason chat as he said. He asked wam for conformitation that there are only town players who can invite to mason chat (wam said: no comment), so he is either town, checked beforehand with wam or is quite ballsy scum.
I believe that he is town though.

3)
dimochka wrote:just in case so just_me doesn't get lynched for no good reason

vote: Djehutynakht

moody7277 wrote: As for feelings the other way, I am giving a FoS: dimochka for following Snark's weak reasoning on voting DJ.


dim explains why he votes DJ, moody ignores it. coupled with his box-vote for serra and earlier pings I explained in the last post:
vote: moody7277

4) I am unsure about DJ, its somewhat of an easy lynch but it reminds me exactly of his first game where he was scum.

ninja: 5) I can confirm the claim. I just can't confirm his alignment. I think someone should cop snark tonight if he comes up town we'll have two confirmed town.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby serrapaladin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:39 am UTC

>Masoniser
>Can't confirm his alignment

unvote

If we still have 24 hours I'll be back in time to do something.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby StubbsKVM » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:49 am UTC

unvote
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Angua » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:31 am UTC

unvote: thirdkoopa

If they're being dealt with by the mod there's no point in voting for them.

Just_me says that wam said no comment to the question on whether or not masoning confirms townieness, while snark said that Suzaku confirmed this via pm.

Conflicts are already arising in this story, and I'm certainly not willing to trust snark yet.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby just_me » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:44 am UTC

No angua, Suzaku confirmed that whoever snark recruits is conf town but wam did not confirm that there is no mafia mason recruiter.
That means for snark I am confirmed but he isn't for me.
(although again I think its highly probable that he is town)

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Angua » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:59 am UTC

Ah, gotcha.

However, there have been games before where the "mason" recruiter was scum.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby Djehutynakht » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:06 am UTC

just_me wrote:Suzaku confirmed that whoever snark recruits is conf town but wam did not confirm that there is no mafia mason recruiter.
That means for snark I am confirmed but he isn't for me.
(although again I think its highly probable that he is town)


That depends on whether or not we believe you were recruited. Im on the fence.

Xeno, to answer your statement on too much of a response.. I do admit it was a bit much. i have a tendency for heavy retaliatory defense. At the time the only vote since his accusation was for me.. It also doesnt help that Just me used the same thing to lynch me before (of course, that time he was right).

And as you can see, Im still leading votals. So..


Anyways, Im for keeping Just me and Snark in Townie quarentine until we get a cop on Snark. The docyor can do a protect if necessary, and if theyre confirmed we have good strategy. But I think their. claim needs investigation.

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby wam » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:42 pm UTC

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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby dimochka » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:44 pm UTC

I don't know what's up with my reading comprehension but having re-read DJ's post, I actually don't think it was much of a slip, especially after his explanation. As such,

Unvote

@moody - OMGUS and FOS back at you. I didn't say I agree with the logic fully, I said that I want a response from DJ. I voted for him because I trust just_me is town more than I think DJ is town.

Also I specifically said that I wouldn't put it past wam to put in scum with a private chat power, but it's more likely Snark is town as well.

@Xeno - DJ has been lynched on D1 several times in a row, if I were in his shoes I'd also have a more comprehensive defense imo. Also, I'm pretty sure that with the absence of Snark's claim we would've lynched just_me because we didn't have much else to go on. So instead of telling us about it 12 hours before the deadline and everyone scrambling to throw a vote somewhere else, he gave us a couple of day to mull it over. I prefer this way, even I wouldn't be surprised for one of them to be the target of tonight's NK. Hopefully our doctor is a good guesser.
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We can probably lynch him in this case :lol:

I also still don't feel good about serra's posts. They're long but they don't offer much in way of analysis, and the fact that right now there are 4 box votes for him worries me.

@Snark - do you have daychat with just_me? Because that would probably mean that scum has daychat as well.

- [wine] i'm unlikely to be uninformed mafia or sk lord, bouer unlikely to be militant atheist (i dare say we don't have one, because realistically we would really have no issue helping one of these out), angua isn't a mime/coroner/strongman, serra isn't a coroner, usn isn't a ninja. We could also make some inference towards Mycroft vs. Moriarty once we find one of them (I'm going to make the bold assumption that at least one of them is in game)
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby moody7277 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:16 pm UTC

@ dimochka: Found your "reasoning" for voting DJ, and I think trying to force a no lynch is both dumb and suspicious. DJ's defense may look dumb or disproportionate because Snark's original accusation was pathetic. My FoS stands.

@ just_me: delayed OMGUS is delayed OMGUS. You and Snark look rather suspicious to me, but there are still several scenarios where you might be being truthful, so no return vote at present.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby UniqueScreenname » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:11 pm UTC

Box vote: just_me

I'm not one to believe the mods would go along with a mafia gambit.

Vote: moody

I hate it when people give suspicious people an idea of what to say before they respond to the allegations against them. Also, that bandwagoning with serrapaladin looks pretty lame.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby moody7277 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:30 pm UTC

UniqueScreenname wrote:Box vote: just_me

I'm not one to believe the mods would go along with a mafia gambit.

Vote: moody

I hate it when people give suspicious people an idea of what to say before they respond to the allegations against them. Also, that bandwagoning with serrapaladin looks pretty lame.


As long as they aren't blatantly cheating, I think the mods allow for whatever creative chicanery players can come up with and leave it up to us to decide if it's real or bull. As for your other point, if agreeing with the reasoning of someone I think is town is what you are calling "bandwagoning" and wrong, then every townie ever should be lynched.
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Re: Sherlock Mafia - D1 The dingy warehouse

Postby dimochka » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:55 pm UTC

vote: moody7277

I'm fully aware that I'm 3rd on the bandwagon. If I'm wrong, sorry. But I don't think I am.

I'm not concerned with DJ's defense nor was I at any point; my vote was specifically to protect just_me from getting lynched. Snark's original accusation was more than anyone else offered, and it got people talking. On D1, that's all I can ask for. Also (and again I could be wrong on this) I would rather force a no-lynch on someone I consider more townie than other people playing than lynch that person. This is not a vanilla game and we should have more info come D2, even if we don't lynch. Under normal circumstances there wouldn't be such a claim by anyone on D1 and as such I wouldn't have grounds to protect anyone as much (except when someone is claiming to save their own ass) but in this case I would have prefer a no-lynch to lynching someone likely town.

Also keep in mind that we still had more than enough time for other people to provide input and at no point during my vote did I think that the other participants would let this be a no-lynch. I'd rather make a stance than not make one. That way if I do die, you can at least analyze my opinions and try to figure out if they lead to my death.
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