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Darkprince946
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Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby Darkprince946 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:03 pm UTC

Which is better?

Antec 300 Three Hundred Case
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom 168373 50 in stock £110.72 £92.26 £110.72 £92.26
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz CL9 1.5V Non-ECC Unbuffered
Sapphire HD 6950 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
Gigabyte GA-Z68A-D3-B3 Socket 1155 7.1 Channel Audo ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Intel and AMD Socket Heatpipe Cooling Fan
Xilence Red Wing 120mm Quiet Fan - 3&4pin connection x2

£831.92
Or
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, XMP, 1.65V
1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.9ms, NCQ
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit SP1, Operating System, Single, - OEM
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus, 4 Heat Pipes, with 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3
Coolermaster HAF 912 Plus, Black, Mid Tower Case w/o PSU
Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked, S1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad Core, 3.3GHz GPU 850Mhz 6MB Cache 95W Retail
MSI P67A-GD55 (B3), 2x PCI-E x16 SLI/CFX, 4xDDR3 2133(OC), Gbit LAN, SATA3, USB3.0, Firewire
1280MB MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC, 40nm, 4000MHz GDDR5, GPU 770MHz, Shader 1540MHz

£842.35


It is intended to be a gaming rig, i already have a moniter and optical drive.
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starslayer
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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby starslayer » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:33 am UTC

AMD chips just aren't worth it these days. Clock for clock, Intel's chips, be they Nehalem or Sandy Bridge, are simply far, far faster than their AMD counterparts. For a gaming machine especially, it's really no contest. Games don't benefit much from a hexacore processor, anyway, so you can leave those off the table. An i5-2500k and a P67 or Z68 mobo is your best bet. The rest of your build looks fine. I'm unfamiliar with UK computer websites; which one are you using, if you don't mind me asking? RAM speed/brand has a negligible effect on speed and reliability, so the cheapest kit from the likes of Kingston, GSkill, Corsair, Patriot, or Crucial is what you should get. You will not benefit from more than 4 GB of RAM in a gaming machine, so stick with 4 GB.

Darkprince946
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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby Darkprince946 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:53 pm UTC

Heres an updated list;

Powercool 750W 80plus Certified Efficiency PSU - 1x PCI-E 4x SATA
Antec 300 Three Hundred Case
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom 168373 50 in stock £110.72 £92.26 £110.72 £92.26
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz CL9 1.5V Non-ECC Unbuffered
Sapphire HD 6950 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
Gigabyte GA-Z68A-D3-B3 Socket 1155 7.1 Channel Audo ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Intel and AMD Socket Heatpipe Cooling Fan
Xilence Red Wing 120mm Quiet Fan - 3&4pin connection x2

Would I be better getting 2x2gb at a faster clock speed?

My buget is £830 and it is intended to be a gaming rig.
Ive also got a spare disk drive about.

ajd007
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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby ajd007 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:02 pm UTC

Only thing I would change is the power supply. Its one of the most important parts of any build, so don't skimp on it (If your PSU goes bust, it can fry basically every component in your computer). You can easily survive with a lower wattage. 600 or even 500W should easily cover your needs unless you plan on doing SLI or CrossFire. Go with a reputable brand like Corsair.

Your RAM is fine. You won't see any noticeable difference with a higher clock speed there, but you will see a noticeable decrease in performance with only 4GB, especially when running Windows. (I moved up from a 2x2 to a 2x4 RAM setup and saw my startup times cut in half). Plus RAM is cheap, so why not?

I would also check to see if you can get an OEM version of Windows for cheap. You don't need any of the documentation, as its all online anyways. Also OEM hard drives are cheap. I don't know about stores in the UK, but in the US we have an awesome store called MicroCenter which has amazing prices on processors, and where you can also get lots of OEM parts for cheap. Also newegg

Oh and I'll second the opinion on processors, an i5-2500k is gonna blow any AMD out of the water. For a high end computer, there really is no question.

Darkprince946
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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby Darkprince946 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:46 pm UTC

Ok here is my second build

4GB (2x2GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, XMP, 1.65V
1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.9ms, NCQ
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit SP1, Operating System, Single, - OEM
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus, 4 Heat Pipes, with 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3
Coolermaster HAF 912 Plus, Black, Mid Tower Case w/o PSU
Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked, S1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad Core, 3.3GHz GPU 850Mhz 6MB Cache 95W Retail
MSI P67A-GD55 (B3), 2x PCI-E x16 SLI/CFX, 4xDDR3 2133(OC), Gbit LAN, SATA3, USB3.0, Firewire
1280MB MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC, 40nm, 4000MHz GDDR5, GPU 770MHz, Shader 1540MHz

£842.35

Would i be better with this?



Antec 300 Three Hundred Case
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom 168373 50 in stock £110.72 £92.26 £110.72 £92.26
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz CL9 1.5V Non-ECC Unbuffered
Sapphire HD 6950 2GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
Gigabyte GA-Z68A-D3-B3 Socket 1155 7.1 Channel Audo ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Intel and AMD Socket Heatpipe Cooling Fan
Xilence Red Wing 120mm Quiet Fan - 3&4pin connection x2

£831.92

Or is this fine.

ajd007
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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby ajd007 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:43 pm UTC

Go with the 8GB ram (RAM is cheap so you might as well)
I don't see a power supply in either of those.
Get a 500 or 600W PSU from a reputable company.

@donaldsmith: Its usually not worth it to do SLI "in the future". at that point, its usually more cost effective to just replace your card with a newer generation one. I thought the same way when I bought my GTX 285 a few years back, now if I want to upgrade my PC I would just buy one GTX560 and it would be more than twice as fast as before.
However, if you still want to do SLI get at least a 600W PSU. You can find some reviews online that show how much power each graphics card uses along with the rest of the computer.

MysteryBall
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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby MysteryBall » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:49 pm UTC

Scrap the Samsung drive, they're not a HDD manufacturer and never will be, Western Digital is your best bet, their Caviar Green range to be precise. Fact of the matter is, the 2tb WD is barely more expensive than the Samsung 1tb.

If I really wanted to start problems here, I'd advise to not go with an ATI card either. ATI has proved to have extremely poor drivers (Catalyst is a piece of crap) and their cards are really only good for Bitcoining IMO. Take it from someone who's been on both sides of the fence, Intel and Nvidia is the way to go. The Sapphire has the 2GB going for it which is why it benches quite high, but if you can find a Nvidia card you'll be better off. If you want to future proof grab a 500 series card, I have a GTX 570 and holy hell is it nice. EVGA is your best bet by the way.

VideoCardBenchmark.net is a pretty useful site and I'd advise using it.
Anandtech is good as well.

The one issue with the benchmark sites is they don't compare variants, so you may struggle to find a straight comparison with a 2GB Nvidia card.

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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby EvanED » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:17 pm UTC

Cue wrote:Scrap the Samsung drive, they're not a HDD manufacturer and never will be, Western Digital is your best bet, their Caviar Green range to be precise. Fact of the matter is, the 2tb WD is barely more expensive than the Samsung 1tb.

I only see one hard drive in his parts list, and if you have one hard drive no way should it be a Caviar Green. They make an awesome second, media drive. If you like WD and are looking for a system drive, get a Black.

I've also been seeing really good reviews on Samsung hard drives for a while now, so I'm not sure what your beef with them are.

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Re: Gaming Computer Suggestions?

Postby GeorgeH » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:01 pm UTC

Cue wrote:Scrap the Samsung drive, they're not a HDD manufacturer and never will be, Western Digital is your best bet, their Caviar Green range to be precise. Fact of the matter is, the 2tb WD is barely more expensive than the Samsung 1tb.

Eh? Samsung used to be a HDD manufacturer, but Seagate bought their HDD division a few months ago. There's no a priori reason to skip Samsung drives, and capacity is a terrible primary comparison point for a system drive.

Cue wrote:ATI has proved to have extremely poor drivers...

AMD's drivers have their good and bad points, and so do Nvidia's. "Extremely poor" is pretty strong hyperbole.


Cue wrote: The Sapphire has the 2GB going for it which is why it benches quite high...

Not in general. A 2GB framebuffer with the right GPU can help in some situations and I'd recommend getting a 6950 in the 2GB flavor - but at most resolutions, in most games, and in single-GPU configurations any modern GPU really wouldn't take more than a ~10% performance hit by going to a 1GB framebuffer (and typically much less.)

Cue wrote:...so you may struggle to find a straight comparison with a 2GB Nvidia card.

That's because most Nvidia GPUs don't have a "nice" 128 or 256 bit bus width. To get an even 2GB they'd have to do some funky stuff (as in the GTX 550's 1GB framebuffer on a 192-bit bus.)


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