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Re: Twilight?

Postby cathrl » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:34 pm UTC

Mavas wrote:I never got all the Twilight hate. Sure, it isn't particularly well written. I don't think people will remember the books or movies in 20 years like they remember The Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. Maybe it's because everyone hates teenage girls and that's who people think as mainly reading Twilight. Hey, at least they're reading. Can you imagine your average teenage girl sitting down with an Agatha Christie? That would be nice, but it won't happen. They just don't read a lot.


I know I've said it before, but what bothers me isn't that teenage girls are reading Twilight. It isn't even that they think it's wonderful. It's that they are telling tween girls, and their fellow slightly younger teens, that what's displayed in Twilight is a desirable, mature style of relationship, and that someone like Edward should be everyone's ideal boyfriend.

I don't think that's really happened before with any craze. I certainly don't recall swathes of dead serious posts about how all mature teens have wild crushes on their teachers (i.e. Snape) or that the perfect way to redeem yourself if you screw up is to go get yourself killed (any number of tragic heroes).

(Grins) My teenage daughter just took a Dan Brown to bed. If Mum says it's rubbish, it must be great! I tried telling her I didn't much enjoy Jane Austen either, but it didn't work :)

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Re: Twilight?

Postby GraphiteGirl » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:23 am UTC

Alder26 wrote:So I was puttering through the books at Tesco this morning (instead of concentrating and getting the shopping done) and saw something that made me want to laugh and weep in about equal measure.

http://img.tesco.com/pi/Books/L/47/9780007326747.jpg

Look familiar? And in case you can't quite make out what it says in the wee red star, it's "Bella and Edward's favourite book". <headdesks>

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Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby ishqboli » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:09 am UTC

Mergened into correct "Twilight Dustbin" thread - Bellastaff

Also, user: if there's a discussion about a particular book, use that thread instead of making a new one


I know there is a lot of crazies on my team here, so I thought I´d put in a good word for the fans that aren´t a bunch of lifeless teeny boppers who worship this stuff, so that maybe I can stop being mocked for just liking the series. Ahem...

I am perfectly aware that the series is not well written whatsoever. I know that Meyer has the vocabulary of a freaking 11 year old. However, I will tell you how I came to read Twilight. I was bored at work and decided wasting time waiting for the phones to ring by reading some easy books, and they happened to be close by. The key word there is "easy." I wasn´t looking for a poetic masterpiece. Sure, I enjoy well written books, but being well written is not a requirement for me to enjoy a book. Really, the story is the most important thing to me. If the idea is interesting enough, I´m satisfied. Don´t assume that by liking Twilight I think it´s some kind of work of genius.

What kept me hooked? Cuteness. That´s really all there is to it. It was just a giant book of fluff. That is rather enjoyable to me. Every once in a while, we all need a big warm fuzzy. Frankly, I have problems enjoying any book if there isn´t a least some cuteness involved, and don´t understand how anyone can.

Most importantly of all, I LOVED that for once, there was a male protagonist that actually cared about what happened to his girl. I am so sick of reading about and seeing in real life all these guys who claim to love their girls and yet do nothing to protect them or help them. Our definition of love today seems to mean dry humping in your dad´s bedroom. Sorry, but I really enjoyed reading about a guy who cared. As for the people who say that he was controlling, I really don´t understand that. When someone you love is out to get themselves or others killed, and you don´t do anything...... I don´t consider that an improvement. Bella was a complete idiot, and frankly someone that stupid needs to be kept in line to a certain extent. I know it sounds harsh, but there really are people out there who just need to be put in their place, in the fictional world and the non-fictional world. If he had hit her or locked her in a room out of possessiveness, it would be a different story, but he did it all for her benefit and hers alone, so calling that controlling seems very wrong to me... It´s endearingly protective. In the context of the story, he did what he had to do. I liked this. I liked seeing a guy who cared.

Lastly... sparkles. Actually, I didn´t really care either way about this, I just find it weird that this is such a big deal. Apparently Meyer needed something that would expose the characters as vampires in sunlight, and somehow she ended on sparkles.... Okay, so why are people complaining so much about this? Why are people claiming that "real" vampires don´t sparkle when they are all fictional to begin with? Since when have all vampires stories been the same? Since when was Dracula the original vampire? Why is it wrong for a guy to have pretty things on his body? Are we that obsessed with gender roles that putting sparkles on someone makes them gay? I don´t know, I just don´t get why this is such a big deal. It shouldn´t be. There are plenty of other things to complain about. The loony author, the bad writing, the sexual harassment by Bella´s friend Jacob, and Bella´s total lack of ambition in life. Why are these things never commented on?

I hope that this little nugget can help shed some light on the sane twilight fans out there. I would probably go more into detail, but I am rather tired. Ciao!
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Re: Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby quintopia » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:03 pm UTC

ishqboli wrote: Since when was Dracula the original vampire?

Since Bram Stoker decided to actually develop the idea of a vampire into a true character concept. . .you do know that Bram Stoker came up with most of the rules for vampires right?

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Re: Twilight?

Postby sweet_concorde » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:26 pm UTC

There are older vampire books - Carmilla and The Vampyre. Look them (and Dracula) up on Guetenberg if you're interested in reading them. I haven't read them (sad). They have pages on Wikipedia too, naturally. There were vampire myths before the books - similar to zombie myths. Folklore, I guess. They touched on that in Twilight when Bella is figuring out what Edward is. That's how the Dracula type of vampire was basically explained away - that the vampires in Twilight that Bella meets are the "real" vampires.

Mythical creatures all have their standard rules (werewolves are people bitten by werewolves and they change into wolves during a full moon) and it isn't a big deal to mess around a little (werewolves are born into families who keep shape-shifting a family secret, werewolves can shape-shift when they want to).

As for the sparkles being a big deal: It goes from "vampires can't go outside during the day because they are undead/unholy creatures of the night and the sun's rays will burn their flesh to ashes" (which is pretty much vampire canon, along with "vampires drink blood") to "vampires can go out during the day, but only if it's cloudy, because if they are in direct sunlight they twinkle and people would notice that". And just the word... "sparkle", and the image of this pale guy leading a girl out into the middle of the woods, taking off his shirt to reveal that he is covered in body glitter, and announcing he was a vampire. Not so much "gay" as it is "on drugs"?

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Re: Twilight?

Postby animeHrmIne » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:16 pm UTC

A bit off topic, but I have to correct a few things. First, werewolves being connected to the moon is a completely new thing (as in, within the past few centuries). Most people used to believe werewolves could change whenever they wanted. Also, not all werewolf myths involve biting. Sometimes they are curses, and sometimes they're shamanistic rituals in which people meld with wolf spirits (which are the "shapeshifters" of Twilight).

Also, just to throw this out there: the real vampire myth is not "stake them through the heart to kill them", it's "stake them through the heart/stomach to their coffin, so that they can't get out and kill people".

I can provide sources if necessary.

Actually, that's one thing I don't mind that Stoker started. Bram Stoker picked old myths about vampires, and created a new vampire that people enjoyed. And recently, people have learned that they can do that too. The vampires that are just people+virus (Peeps, The Last Days), werewolves that can turn whenever they want, and live in packs (Blood and Chocolate). People have started putting their own take on the traditional myths, and I like that. Sure, Stephanie Meyer may have chosen a pretty fail variation to the "burned to death by the sun", but it's her right as an author to do so, and if you fault her for that, you fault every other fantasy author who has done the same thing, all the way back to Stoker.
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Re: Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby Spacemilk » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:18 pm UTC

ishqboli wrote:I am perfectly aware that the series is not well written whatsoever. I know that Meyer has the vocabulary of a freaking 11 year old. However, I will tell you how I came to read Twilight. I was bored at work and decided wasting time waiting for the phones to ring by reading some easy books, and they happened to be close by. The key word there is "easy." I wasn´t looking for a poetic masterpiece. Sure, I enjoy well written books, but being well written is not a requirement for me to enjoy a book. Really, the story is the most important thing to me. If the idea is interesting enough, I´m satisfied. Don´t assume that by liking Twilight I think it´s some kind of work of genius.

What kept me hooked? Cuteness. That´s really all there is to it. It was just a giant book of fluff. That is rather enjoyable to me. Every once in a while, we all need a big warm fuzzy. Frankly, I have problems enjoying any book if there isn´t a least some cuteness involved, and don´t understand how anyone can.


I am mostly with you here. When I first read the books, it was because I'd forgotten to bring reading material for a 4-day business trip and I knew I was going to be bored out of my mind while waiting in airports and sitting in hotel rooms at night. So I bought the first two "Twilight" books for some mindless travel entertainment. And they were exactly that. I took them at their face value, enjoyed them for the cotton-candy-sick-making-fluff that they were, and when I finished the series I quietly mourned my newly dead brain cells, but figured I'd been well entertained enough that I'd come out ahead. I recognized that S. Meyer's writing and character-making had sucked donkey balls (I loathed Bella from day 1) but didn't really give much thought to the themes of the book.

If you take the book at its face value, it's rather easy to ignore the more sinister themes that run rampant in the book's subconcious (Kendo's "Meta Bella", for example) and just see the "cuteness". But when you take five minutes to really think about the message of the book, that's when you start to realize just how damn creepy the whole thing is.

And that's where the criticism from the anti-Twilighters starts to come in: We see girls taking five minutes to think about the message of the book, and then it turns out they like the message (gasp!). And it's not a good message at all.

ishqboli wrote:Most importantly of all, I LOVED that for once, there was a male protagonist that actually cared about what happened to his girl. I am so sick of reading about and seeing in real life all these guys who claim to love their girls and yet do nothing to protect them or help them. Our definition of love today seems to mean dry humping in your dad´s bedroom. Sorry, but I really enjoyed reading about a guy who cared. As for the people who say that he was controlling, I really don´t understand that. When someone you love is out to get themselves or others killed, and you don´t do anything...... I don´t consider that an improvement. Bella was a complete idiot, and frankly someone that stupid needs to be kept in line to a certain extent. I know it sounds harsh, but there really are people out there who just need to be put in their place, in the fictional world and the non-fictional world. If he had hit her or locked her in a room out of possessiveness, it would be a different story, but he did it all for her benefit and hers alone, so calling that controlling seems very wrong to me... It´s endearingly protective. In the context of the story, he did what he had to do. I liked this. I liked seeing a guy who cared.


Ok I'm sorry, but I'm no longer with you. I just... just... AHHH. Ok listen. Edward did not care. If he TRULY CARED, he would've backed up all his talk of "AMG I'M SO DANGEROUS AND BAD FOR YOU" and would've actually left Bella the fuck alone. But he didn't. He stalked her, watched her while she slept, constantly started conversations with her in which he would express his fascination or interest in her while still reminding her that he's ever-so-dangerous! Edward is NOT A CARING MALE PROTAGONIST. The only caring male protagonist was Jacob, as he started out before S. Meyer retconned the shit out of him and turned him into a sexual harrasser, because he realized he could hurt Bella so he left Bella the fuck alone.

ishqboli wrote:Lastly... sparkles. Actually, I didn´t really care either way about this, I just find it weird that this is such a big deal. Apparently Meyer needed something that would expose the characters as vampires in sunlight, and somehow she ended on sparkles.... Okay, so why are people complaining so much about this? Why are people claiming that "real" vampires don´t sparkle when they are all fictional to begin with? Since when have all vampires stories been the same? Since when was Dracula the original vampire? Why is it wrong for a guy to have pretty things on his body? Are we that obsessed with gender roles that putting sparkles on someone makes them gay? I don´t know, I just don´t get why this is such a big deal. It shouldn´t be. There are plenty of other things to complain about. The loony author, the bad writing, the sexual harassment by Bella´s friend Jacob, and Bella´s total lack of ambition in life. Why are these things never commented on?


These things are commented on, frequently. In fact at least three out of the four things you mentioned are in every single anti-Twilight review I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot.

Also, it's not that dislike of sparkles is due to some gender-role-objections, it's just... S. Meyer took something that was totally badass and made it laughable. It'd be like saying, "Oh, vampires don't use their teeth to open someone's veins and suck their blood, they use rubber chickens to cut someone open and THEN they suck their blood! Isn't that cute?!" No, it's not cute, it's utterly ridiculous. Sparkles are not cute, they are utterly ridiculous and also unnecessary.

Added in because it was posted while I was posting:

Actually, that's one thing I don't mind that Stoker started. Bram Stoker picked old myths about vampires, and created a new vampire that people enjoyed. And recently, people have learned that they can do that too. The vampires that are just people+virus (Peeps, The Last Days), werewolves that can turn whenever they want, and live in packs (Blood and Chocolate). People have started putting their own take on the traditional myths, and I like that. Sure, Stephanie Meyer may have chosen a pretty fail variation to the "burned to death by the sun", but it's her right as an author to do so, and if you fault her for that, you fault every other fantasy author who has done the same thing, all the way back to Stoker.


You're creating a false dichotomy. You're saying, "If someone takes a new take on a traditional myth, it is automatically awesome; if it's not automatically awesome, then every single person's take on a traditional myth suddenly becomes un-awesome!" It is possible for someone's creative ability to suck so hard that they fail at a new take on a traditional myth. S. Meyer has demonstrated this fact.

It's her "right" as an author to choose to do something that's utterly horrible, but then it's also my right to say she sucks. I just don't see why this should imply that everyone else sucks too.
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Re: Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby cathrl » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:34 pm UTC

ishqboli wrote:What kept me hooked? Cuteness. That´s really all there is to it. It was just a giant book of fluff. That is rather enjoyable to me. Every once in a while, we all need a big warm fuzzy. Frankly, I have problems enjoying any book if there isn´t a least some cuteness involved, and don´t understand how anyone can.

Most importantly of all, I LOVED that for once, there was a male protagonist that actually cared about what happened to his girl. I am so sick of reading about and seeing in real life all these guys who claim to love their girls and yet do nothing to protect them or help them. Our definition of love today seems to mean dry humping in your dad´s bedroom. Sorry, but I really enjoyed reading about a guy who cared. As for the people who say that he was controlling, I really don´t understand that. When someone you love is out to get themselves or others killed, and you don´t do anything...... I don´t consider that an improvement. Bella was a complete idiot, and frankly someone that stupid needs to be kept in line to a certain extent. I know it sounds harsh, but there really are people out there who just need to be put in their place, in the fictional world and the non-fictional world. If he had hit her or locked her in a room out of possessiveness, it would be a different story, but he did it all for her benefit and hers alone, so calling that controlling seems very wrong to me... It´s endearingly protective. In the context of the story, he did what he had to do. I liked this. I liked seeing a guy who cared.


And, in a story where Bella was presented as a character who was mentally incapable of making her own decisions and needed this sort of help, that's a perfectly good storyline. But she isn't. We are told repeatedly that she's well above average intelligence, and independent. People like this do not need their boyfriends to run their lives for them, and any boyfriend who tries it on a competent, intelligent, independent 17 year old girl should be told in no uncertain terms to get stuffed. "Endearingly protective"? It's rude and condescending. Heck, if my husband tried to decide what was best for me and said "but it was all for your benefit, darling" I'd get hopping mad, and Edward's only a boyfriend at this point! Stephenie Meyer can't have it both ways. Either Bella is sub-average and dependent and it's okay for Edward to protect her and be in effect a father-figure rather than a boyfriend, or she's intelligent and independent and should expect and insist to be treated as an equal.

I don't know about you, but my definition of love isn't someone ready to take over the role of protector and general safety-net my father had when I was 12. I'm a big girl; I took over that role for myself. But, in Twilight, every girl needs a man to do it.

The loony author, the bad writing, the sexual harassment by Bella´s friend Jacob, and Bella´s total lack of ambition in life. Why are these things never commented on?


You haven't read the rest of this thread, then? :) Actually, the harassment by Jacob has been less discussed, probably because most people here, myself included, gave up long before we got to the book in question.

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Re: Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby animeHrmIne » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:53 pm UTC

Spacemilk wrote:
animeHrmIne wrote:Actually, that's one thing I don't mind that Stoker started. Bram Stoker picked old myths about vampires, and created a new vampire that people enjoyed. And recently, people have learned that they can do that too. The vampires that are just people+virus (Peeps, The Last Days), werewolves that can turn whenever they want, and live in packs (Blood and Chocolate). People have started putting their own take on the traditional myths, and I like that. Sure, Stephanie Meyer may have chosen a pretty fail variation to the "burned to death by the sun", but it's her right as an author to do so, and if you fault her for that, you fault every other fantasy author who has done the same thing, all the way back to Stoker.


You're creating a false dichotomy. You're saying, "If someone takes a new take on a traditional myth, it is automatically awesome; if it's not automatically awesome, then every single person's take on a traditional myth suddenly becomes un-awesome!" It is possible for someone's creative ability to suck so hard that they fail at a new take on a traditional myth. S. Meyer has demonstrated this fact.

It's her "right" as an author to choose to do something that's utterly horrible, but then it's also my right to say she sucks. I just don't see why this should imply that everyone else sucks too.


Actually, I thought she sucked, too. Her sparkly vampires are dumb. But they're dumb because they sparkle, not because they "aren't real vampires". I've heard people IRL bashing Twilight because the vampires aren't real vampires, and that's crap. First, there's no "real vampires" to begin with, they're all interpretations. Second, if you're going to bash, go to town on the sparkling, and the super-everything, and the fact that they're amazingly beautiful for no reason. But don't say she did it wrong, say she did it horribly.

Basically, I was mad at the people who hate her just because she made her vampires different from the Bela Lugosi/Bram Stoker standard.
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Re: Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby kapojinha » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:30 am UTC

ishqboli wrote:What kept me hooked? Cuteness. That´s really all there is to it. It was just a giant book of fluff. That is rather enjoyable to me. Every once in a while, we all need a big warm fuzzy. Frankly, I have problems enjoying any book if there isn´t a least some cuteness involved, and don´t understand how anyone can.


Because there's nothing "cuter" then paedophilia, sexism, and abusive relationships!

ishqboli wrote:Most importantly of all, I LOVED that for once, there was a male protagonist that actually cared about what happened to his girl.


If by "cared about" you mean stalked...

ishqboli wrote:There are plenty of other things to complain about. The loony author, the bad writing, the sexual harassment by Bella´s friend Jacob, and Bella´s total lack of ambition in life. Why are these things never commented on?


Yeah, seriously, have you read the rest of this thread?
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Re: Good reasoning for why I enjoyed Twilight

Postby Spacemilk » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:21 pm UTC

animeHrmIne wrote:
Spacemilk wrote:
animeHrmIne wrote:Actually, that's one thing I don't mind that Stoker started. Bram Stoker picked old myths about vampires, and created a new vampire that people enjoyed. And recently, people have learned that they can do that too. The vampires that are just people+virus (Peeps, The Last Days), werewolves that can turn whenever they want, and live in packs (Blood and Chocolate). People have started putting their own take on the traditional myths, and I like that. Sure, Stephanie Meyer may have chosen a pretty fail variation to the "burned to death by the sun", but it's her right as an author to do so, and if you fault her for that, you fault every other fantasy author who has done the same thing, all the way back to Stoker.


You're creating a false dichotomy. You're saying, "If someone takes a new take on a traditional myth, it is automatically awesome; if it's not automatically awesome, then every single person's take on a traditional myth suddenly becomes un-awesome!" It is possible for someone's creative ability to suck so hard that they fail at a new take on a traditional myth. S. Meyer has demonstrated this fact.

It's her "right" as an author to choose to do something that's utterly horrible, but then it's also my right to say she sucks. I just don't see why this should imply that everyone else sucks too.


Actually, I thought she sucked, too. Her sparkly vampires are dumb. But they're dumb because they sparkle, not because they "aren't real vampires". I've heard people IRL bashing Twilight because the vampires aren't real vampires, and that's crap. First, there's no "real vampires" to begin with, they're all interpretations. Second, if you're going to bash, go to town on the sparkling, and the super-everything, and the fact that they're amazingly beautiful for no reason. But don't say she did it wrong, say she did it horribly.

Basically, I was mad at the people who hate her just because she made her vampires different from the Bela Lugosi/Bram Stoker standard.


I see. In that case, I agree.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby blue_eyedspacemonkey » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:49 pm UTC

My boyfriend and I were having a twilight discussion and watching clips of the film on youtube (took us a fair while to find a clip showing Edward sparkling). Whilst looking for a picture on google, this image came up:

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Re: Twilight?

Postby GhostWolfe » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:18 am UTC

A thread on another forum I visit can generally be counted on for some good Twilight-bashing images. I'd seen the Count von Count one there. I also found this:

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EDIT: Scanning that artist's DA, I found this:
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Re: Twilight?

Postby missbittens » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:14 am UTC

GhostWolfe, those comics are awesome. Particularly the second one.

Here's something that irritaited me - this Cinematical article claims that Buffy and Bella are very similar characters. Discuss?
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/07/06/girls-on-film-bella-buffy-and-bloodsuckers/3#comments
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Re: Twilight?

Postby michaelandjimi » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:19 am UTC

The thing is, she didn't. She says she's going to set out and explain why Bella and Buffy are similar, but then just... doesn't. Most of the paragraphs for description of each talk about all of their differences. The only time it's even close is when she's describing how Edward and Spike and Angel are similar.

And in my personal opinion, though I can see some similarities in the characters of Edward and Angel, the girls are completely different.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby kapojinha » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:41 pm UTC

My god.. they've started a Twilight book club at my school!

I plan to join. For one day. Spend an hour bashing the book. Then leave. :)
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Re: Twilight?

Postby GraphiteGirl » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:57 pm UTC

A... a Twilight book club? How does that work? Do they read the four books and then disband? Do they move on to Meyer's one off book, The Host? Do they later read every book mentioned in the series, and then move on to Anne Rice? Do they do in-depth analysis of Meyer's website posts? Do they drink spilked Kool-Aid and eat pink sparkly cupcakes instead of wine and cheese?
WE MUST KNOW!
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Re: Twilight?

Postby TaintedDeity » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:02 pm UTC

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Re: Twilight?

Postby kapojinha » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:17 pm UTC

GraphiteGirl wrote:A... a Twilight book club? How does that work? Do they read the four books and then disband? Do they move on to Meyer's one off book, The Host? Do they later read every book mentioned in the series, and then move on to Anne Rice? Do they do in-depth analysis of Meyer's website posts? Do they drink spilked Kool-Aid and eat pink sparkly cupcakes instead of wine and cheese?
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They just.. talk about Twilight.. ALL THE TIME. :shock:
I wonder if I can get someone to film a bit of it.. hmm.. I'll try. I'll have a friend secretly record me bashing the book, and their reactions. And don't worry, I can most certainly outrun a bunch of 7th graders. Or fight them off, if push comes to shove. :wink:
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Re: Twilight?

Postby GraphiteGirl » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:20 pm UTC

kapojinha wrote:Or fight them off, if push comes to shove. :wink:


I see what you did there.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby Flagpole Sitta » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:52 am UTC

Eh. As much as I hate Twilight it seems pretty low and obnoxious to go to a space they set up specifically for themselves to discuss something they like and harass them. Particularly since they're 12, apparently, and you're 15.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby kapojinha » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:57 am UTC

FlagPoleSitta wrote:Eh. As much as I hate Twilight it seems pretty low and obnoxious to go to a space they set up specifically for themselves to discuss something they like and harass them. Particularly since they're 12, apparently, and you're 15.


I wouldn't harrass them. It would be a perfectly civil and rational debate. :wink:
I have no idea how old they are though.. apparently it was some teacher's idea to start the club.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby missbittens » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:11 pm UTC

The thing is, she didn't. She says she's going to set out and explain why Bella and Buffy are similar, but then just... doesn't. Most of the paragraphs for description of each talk about all of their differences. The only time it's even close is when she's describing how Edward and Spike and Angel are similar.

And in my personal opinion, though I can see some similarities in the characters of Edward and Angel, the girls are completely different.

I completely agree with absolutely everything you said.

I see Edward as sort of like Angel, but in a bad way. Angel's bad traits are copied and emphasized with our Fanged Disco Ball. Angel has what Hermione calls a "saving people thing," but it more applies to random innocents. I mean, he really gets a kick out of going up to somebody in trouble in a dark alley, staking their attacker, and walking off into the night as the handsome mysterious stranger, you know? But Buffy can protect herself, and Angel largely respects that. Edward reverses it. Instead of going out and doing random heroic good deeds like Angel, his "saving people thing," applies only to Bella, and boy, is it taken to the extreme. And then there's Angel's tendency to brood lots. He's bad enough, but then Edward angsts almost constantly, and over less, too, and it's less tolerable because unlike Angel, his friends never poke fun at him for it.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby Kendo_Bunny » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:41 pm UTC

Hey all. Sorry I haven't been around much: my modem broke, and on top of that, it's been a really stressful summer. Chapter 11 should be up tomorrow, and it's toe-curlingly hideous.

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Postby Amarantha » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:20 am UTC

missbittens wrote:Fanged Disco Ball
You win the thread :P

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Re: Twilight?

Postby missbittens » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:12 am UTC

Awwww, thanks so much for that! :D

I always like coming up with nicknames for Edward. They usually involve his sparkliness.
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Re: Twilight?

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missbittens wrote:I see Edward as sort of like Angel, but in a bad way. Angel's bad traits are copied and emphasized with our Fanged Disco Ball. Angel has what Hermione calls a "saving people thing," but it more applies to random innocents. I mean, he really gets a kick out of going up to somebody in trouble in a dark alley, staking their attacker, and walking off into the night as the handsome mysterious stranger, you know? But Buffy can protect herself, and Angel largely respects that. Edward reverses it. Instead of going out and doing random heroic good deeds like Angel, his "saving people thing," applies only to Bella, and boy, is it taken to the extreme. And then there's Angel's tendency to brood lots. He's bad enough, but then Edward angsts almost constantly, and over less, too, and it's less tolerable because unlike Angel, his friends never poke fun at him for it.


The other thing is that Angel has good reason to brood and angst. He says bad things will happen if he's with Buffy...and he's right. It turns him into one of the more unpleasant bad guys in that type of TV, for the best part of a series, and the end result is that he has to leave her permanently because it happening again is a genuine risk which it's not reasonable for them to take.

Eddiekins? Doesn't appear to have any difficulty whatsoever being in Bella's presence, regardless of what we're told. Who goes for her when she bleeds in New Moon? Not him - now that might have made his leaving rather more plausible and interesting. It's another example of the showing and telling being completely different. We're told, over and over, that Edward is only borderline controlling himself in Bella's presence. What we see is him in complete control at all times. He never hurts her, ever, and seems to have no problems calmly leaving the room on the odd occasion when he feels awkward. The closest he gets to "out of control" is the sort of polite "please don't do that" request which anyone might say to a boy or girlfriend who was doing something a bit more intimate than they were comfortable with.

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Re: Twilight?

Postby Alder » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:57 pm UTC

Kendo_Bunny wrote:Hey all. Sorry I haven't been around much: my modem broke, and on top of that, it's been a really stressful summer. Chapter 11 should be up tomorrow, and it's toe-curlingly hideous.

1) Sorry about the summer - hope things are better now.
2) Excellent, I was missing your reviews...:)
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Re: Twilight?

Postby missbittens » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:18 pm UTC

Eddiekins? Doesn't appear to have any difficulty whatsoever being in Bella's presence, regardless of what we're told. Who goes for her when she bleeds in New Moon? Not him - now that might have made his leaving rather more plausible and interesting. It's another example of the showing and telling being completely different. We're told, over and over, that Edward is only borderline controlling himself in Bella's presence. What we see is him in complete control at all times. He never hurts her, ever, and seems to have no problems calmly leaving the room on the odd occasion when he feels awkward. The closest he gets to "out of control" is the sort of polite "please don't do that" request which anyone might say to a boy or girlfriend who was doing something a bit more intimate than they were comfortable with.
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And if we're to believe him about how much difficulty he has controlling himself around her, that just makes him really selfish, and even worse of a creepy-ass stalker. I mean, if it's as hard as he says to resist, him losing control of his urges and murdering her at some point was actually probable. Now, this is a guy that decides she needs protecting even when there's nothing endangering her, yet he's perfectly happy to be around her himself, even though he's a far greater danger than anything else. Even worse? He doesn't feel he needs her permission to be around her and "protect," her. By sneaking in to watch her sleep, he was placing her life in great danger all night, every night for fucking weeks without her knowledge. It's not just regular stalking, which would be bad enough, it actually has a very high chance of resulting in her death.

I'm fine with Angel being around Buffy though, because in the Buffyverse, vampires don't have any trouble controlling their hunger. So though he can have the desire to drink her or her friends' blood, it was never going to put anyone in danger.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby GraphiteGirl » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:10 pm UTC

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Postby suffer-cait » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:40 pm UTC

re: your second link, re: flipping of edward guy.
to be fair, he thinks the whole thing, is sick/perverted/gross/hilarious, and doesn't support it.

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Re: Twilight?

Postby Chen » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:54 pm UTC

missbittens wrote:I'm fine with Angel being around Buffy though, because in the Buffyverse, vampires don't have any trouble controlling their hunger. So though he can have the desire to drink her or her friends' blood, it was never going to put anyone in danger.


Wasn't the issue if he was ever truely happy (which was more likely when he was with her, them being in love and all) he'd lose his soul and become horribly evil? I don't think there was any issue of him murdering all her friends (until after he turns evil of course).

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Postby Spacemilk » Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:20 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
missbittens wrote:I'm fine with Angel being around Buffy though, because in the Buffyverse, vampires don't have any trouble controlling their hunger. So though he can have the desire to drink her or her friends' blood, it was never going to put anyone in danger.


Wasn't the issue if he was ever truely happy (which was more likely when he was with her, them being in love and all) he'd lose his soul and become horribly evil? I don't think there was any issue of him murdering all her friends (until after he turns evil of course).


Ok I know there is probably a statute of limitations on spoilering stuff for TV shows, but I *just* started watching Buffy last week and I'm still mid-Season 1. (I know, I know, how deprived I have been) So please please please spoiler the answer to this because I would like to find out in due time!
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Re: Twilight?

Postby missbittens » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:25 pm UTC

Wasn't the issue if he was ever truely happy (which was more likely when he was with her, them being in love and all) he'd lose his soul and become horribly evil? I don't think there was any issue of him murdering all her friends (until after he turns evil of course).

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That's right. Although none of them knew about the perfect-happiness=loss-of-soul problem until after it had already happened. There wasn't much danger of it happening, though. The first time it did, he was having sex for the first time with the girl he was completely in love with, and that sort of thing doesn't happen to an individual frequently - just to be safe, he usually avoids sex, especially with Buffy. Anyway, now that he knows about the curse, the worry that he would lose his soul would be an extra protection against the perfect-happiness thing. The second time he lost his soul, pretty much everything had to be perfect, right down to his friends who were having a fight patching it up, and then there had to be the orgasm happiness on top of it,
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Re: Twilight?

Postby Ivora » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:12 am UTC

From what I've read from the first book I liked it. I thought Bella was... interesting and Edward was awkward yet caring? :|

Both of them were still very creepy individuals though. :shock:

Then the movie came out. It all went downhill from there. :?

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Postby suffer-cait » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:13 am UTC

i totally liked the movie way better than the books.
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Chapter 11: Wherein Bella Must Make Her Own Drama to Get Any

“And then, as the room went black, I was suddenly hyperaware that Edward was sitting less than an inch from me.” Like, Oh me yarm! I guess this is good in that teenage girls really do get awkward when their crushes are sitting really close to them, but since her devotion to Edward borders on the slavish, this seems sort of creepy.

“A crazy impulse to reach over and touch him, to stroke his perfect face just once in the darkness, nearly overwhelmed me.” Why is it crazy? He said about two hours ago that you two are dating. Are you afraid that he’ll eat your hand? If so, here’s Meta-Bella being her sensible self again.

“I crossed my arms tightly across my chest, my hands balling into fists.” If I didn’t do this, I would have both hands and possibly my textbook in my panties.
“I was losing my mind.” … Too easy.

“The opening credits began, lighting the room by a token amount.” A token amount? I guess it’s sort of correct, since it can mean small, but this just sounds so incredibly awkward in the context of room lighting. You pay a token amount, you don’t light it. By the way, I’ve just quoted over a whole sequential paragraph of bad lines.

“He grinned back, his eyes somehow managing to smolder, even in the dark.” The sexy grinning smolder? Who is this kid, Fabio?

“I looked away before I could start hyperventilating.” … and here, yet again, she perfectly describes mental illness. The last time a man made me hyperventilate, it was because he had previously threatened me with grievous bodily harm, and I was alone in the same room with him. Which is Bella’s situation too, when you think about it, but instead of making her frightened, it’s making her horny. Fun challenge for those of you playing the home game: Diagnose Bella!

“It was absolutely ridiculous that I should feel dizzy.” So, what mental illness attracts one strongly to danger, causes obsession that actually crosses the line into physical illness, and yet leaves the subject rational enough to realize that all is not right in the state of Denmark? Appearance of Meta-Bella… again, for those playing the home game, around now is when you should take a shot.

“The overpowering craving to touch him also refused to fade, and I crushed my fists safely against my ribs until my fingers were aching with the effort.” He’s already said he’s your boyfriend. Why are you so afraid to touch him? Beyond that you have suddenly grown a brain and realized that you are a hors d'oeuvre to him.

“Edward chuckled beside me.” It’s funny when you hurt yourself! Seriously, we do not have one instance of his laugh where he is not laughing at someone. Great sense of humor, my friend Catherine’s fluffy white butt.

“His voice was dark and his eyes were cautious.” He’s just so gol darn mysterious, ain’t he?

“I stood with care, worried my balance might have been affected by the strange new intensity between us.” Any new diagnoses?

“His face startled me — his expression was torn, almost pained, and so fiercely beautiful that the ache to touch him flared as strong as before.” If I leave you alone for thirty seconds, you will surely be decapitated by a piece of loose leaf. I hate not carrying you around on my back like a baby.

“I drifted to the locker room, changing in a trancelike state, only vaguely aware that there were other people surrounding me.” And Edward has roofies in his fingertips. Of course.

“Mercifully, some vestiges of Mike's chivalry still survived; he came to stand beside me.” Um, why wouldn’t they survive? He’s been shown as nothing but a really nice guy, who may be interested romantically, but is willing to be a friend. THE HORROR!

“Sometimes it was so easy to like Mike.” And the rest of the time he was a hateful little worm, because he’s only human-attractive.

“"You and Cullen, huh?" he asked, his tone rebellious.” Rebellious? Princess Speshul Snowflake Alert! First Lauren was insolent and now Mike is rebellious? Also, this makes no sense in it’s abruptness. Here we are, having a good time and now ‘OH YOU WHORISH WHORE!’. Quoi?

“"I don't like it," he muttered anyway.
"You don't have to," I snapped.
"He looks at you like… like you're something to eat," he continued, ignoring me.”
Oh GAWD. Here’s this stupid mundane trying to tell me my new squishybuns doesn’t seem right. Obviously, it’s jealousy. This would be funnier if every person I know who had gotten involved with an abuser hadn’t have done exactly the same thing. We weren’t concerned because there was something wrong with their partner, we were jealous!

“I dressed quickly, something stronger than butterflies battering recklessly against the walls of my stomach, my argument with Mike already a distant memory. I was wondering if Edward would be waiting, or if I should meet him at his car.” Hum-de-dum, my friend just told me my new cuddly-poo was shooting me raep faces and he was worried for me. I wonder whether I should wear panties on our next date, or if I should go ahead and take some date rape drugs first.

“Was I supposed to know that they knew that I knew, or not?” Que?

“His eyes slid back to mine, still tight. "Newton's getting on my nerves."” It’s not that I don’t trust you, baby, but I just don’t want anything else with testicles ever looking at you.

“"You weren't listening again?" I was horror-struck. All traces of my sudden good humor vanished.
"How's your head?" he asked innocently.
"You're unbelievable!" I turned, stomping away in the general direction of the parking lot, though I hadn't ruled out walking at this point.
"You were the one who mentioned how I'd never seen you in Gym — it made me
curious." He didn't sound repentant, so I ignored him.” Go, Meta-Bella! And kick him in the sparkly nuts for good measure!

“"Maybe… if you mean it. And if you promise not to do it again," I insisted.
His eyes were suddenly shrewd. "How about if I mean it, and I agree to let you drive Saturday?" he countered my conditions.” I can’t promise not to spy on you every second of your life, but you can drive once in awhile. At least if I say so.

“I considered, and decided it was probably the best offer I would get. "Deal," I agreed.” And Meta-Bella disappears under a mountain of hormonal stupidity. The best offer you should get is exactly what you asked – your privacy is not something to be bargained with. This is like ‘Well, I won’t promise I won’t hit you again, but I’ll give you a big cookie this time!’

“"Then I'm very sorry I upset you."” Oh, thank you soooo much. He’s not at all sorry that he’s completely invading her privacy, he’s just toying with her because she’s so darn cute when she’s upset.

“His smile was condescending now.” Is it ever not?

“It was easier to ride with him if I only looked when it was over.” He just loves me so much that he doesn’t mind that I almost have a heart attack every time he drives me somewhere.


“"Did I frighten you?" Yes, there was definitely humor there.” Scaring the shit out of the human I claim to love makes me larf. Har har sparkle.

“It wasn't until my head started to swim that I realized I wasn't breathing.” SOOPER HYPNOTISM!!!!

“I opened the door, and the arctic draft that burst into the car helped clear my head.” Wait, what month is it again? It was warm enough a week or so ago (maybe two weeks?) to go to the beach and fall asleep in the backyard, but now it’s freezing cold again, because SMeyer’s time sense sucks.

“I smiled as I walked to the house. It was clear he was planning to see me tomorrow, if nothing else.” He just told you a minute ago that nothing in the world would be easier than eating you, then stopped your breath with his eyes. And now you’re going all gooey because he’s going to see you tomorrow? Someone please apply a clue-by-four to this girl’s thick head.

“It thrilled with the same electricity that had charged the afternoon, and I tossed and turned restlessly, waking often.” Oh boy, a description of Bella’s wet dreams.

“I pulled on my brown turtleneck and the inescapable jeans, sighing as I daydreamed of spaghetti straps and shorts.” Oh boo hoo hoo. Buy some khakis, you big baby.

“"That was the plan." I grimaced, wishing he hadn't brought it up so I wouldn't have to compose careful half-truths.” At this rate, he won’t have to organize a statewide hunt for my remains! How dare he?

“"I'm not going to the dance, Dad." I glared.
"Didn't anyone ask you?" he asked, trying to hide his concern by focusing on rinsing the plate.” Good God, why does this ungrateful little bitch treat her father so badly? He’s worried about her fitting in, and he’s upset to think she’s not going to the dance because no one asked. All he’s ever shown doing is being thoughtful of her and she acts like he beats her with a rawhide whip.

“I sympathized with him.” No, you didn’t, because after this “so mature” little insight, you go back to treating him like garbage.

“When I heard the cruiser pull away, I could only wait a few seconds before I had to peek out of my window. The silver car was already there, waiting in Charlie's spot on the driveway.” You know, a lie by omission is still a lie, and this book is promoting dangerous behavior as being “romantic”. Guess what, girls? If a guy had said with all sincerity that he would like to eat your sweet, sweet flesh and drink your blood, then tells you you’re going out on Saturday for a “date” and don’t tell your parents, it’s a bad idea to do as he says.

“I never wanted it to end.” Too bad in the real world, it would end with you dead in a ditch.

“"How are you today?" His eyes roamed over my face, as if his question was something more than simple courtesy.” As if he didn’t know, considering that he spent last night camping out in her bedroom, and the whole morning listening to her father’s thoughts.

“"Neither could I," he teased as he started the engine.” Wait a minute – his “deal” for her forgiving his unforgivable breaches of her privacy was that she could drive. Will that ever be mentioned again?

“I was sure the roar of my truck would scare me, whenever I got to drive it again.” Because women are frail, helpless little things… and when is she going to drive again?

“"So what did you do last night?" I asked.
He chuckled. "Not a chance. It's my day to ask questions."” See, without prior knowledge, we could assume that this is one instance of Edward not laughing at her. Since we already know he spent last night rifling through her possessions, he’s definitely laughing at her again.

“He snorted, dropping his serious expression. "Brown?" he asked skeptically.” Gawd, here I thought you would say ‘Edward’ is your favorite color. Jesus Christ with a great axe, is this guy ever not a total douche?

“"Sure. Brown is warm. I miss brown. Everything that's supposed to be brown — tree trunks, rocks, dirt — is all covered up with squashy green stuff here," I complained.
He seemed fascinated by my little rant.” I would be too, because it’s clearly the ramblings of a diseased mind.

“"Debussy to this?" He raised an eyebrow.
It was the same CD.” What CD? She mentions the CD and then we don’t find out what it is. I’m going to pretend that it’s Type O Negative’s Bloody Kisses. Why? Because we already know Bella is a pretentious twat, and having her getting pretentious over goth rock amuses me. Also, now I have to wonder if Edward stole that from her, or just bought exact copies of everything she owns.

“While he walked me to English, when he met me after Spanish, all through the lunch hour, he questioned me relentlessly about every insignificant detail of my existence.” That’s not romance. That’s sick. No one even reasonably sane would want to know everything about their squishy-buns.

“Movies I'd liked and hated, the few places I'd been and the many places I wanted to go, and books — endlessly books.” But she’ll never tell us what books. That’s the thing… we’re told Bella is a huge reader, but we’ve seen her reading twice, and once she was reading geocities sites on vampires. She never references books, ever. I do not know a single reader who only references books they’ve read by their titles.

“He'd been flinging questions at me with such speed that I felt like I was taking one of those psychiatric tests where you answer with the first word that comes to mind.” And where were you on the night of January the 12th? Were you in anyway involved with the murder of the English language? You can continue to deny it, but we have ways of making you talk. Seriously, guys, interrogations =/= sexy.

“"Tell me," he finally commanded after persuasion failed” And when commanding and persuading fail, what then? Hitting?

“I worried it would provoke the strange anger that flared whenever I slipped and revealed too clearly how obsessed I was.” So… she’s already scared of his rages.

“I sighed in relief, and continued with the psychoanalysis.” Psychoanalysis? He’d be psychoanalyzing if he was going in depth with anything, but instead, this seems to be a collection of random neural firings. There is nothing “deep” or “mysterious”, or any real knowledge to be gained by knowing all of her likes and dislikes, unless he thinks that by knowing that she prefers lilies to carnations, she’s more devoted to her virginity and not maternal. I have no idea if she does, and that’s one of those deceptive surface readings that a manipulator like Edward could easily make.

“I didn't look at him, afraid that if he was looking at me, it would only make self-control that much harder.” Oh, I see, the darkness makes you think of fucking him!

“Somewhere, in a corner of my mind, I felt bad about that. But I couldn't concentrate on him.” After all, he’s just a mundane and I can’t spare feelings for him acting the gentleman in comparison to my panty-melting sociopath.

“The pressure made me more clumsy than usual, but eventually I made it out the door, feeling the same release when I saw him standing there, a wide smile automatically spreading across my face.” One raise of those eyebrows, and I experience spontaneous orgasm.

This next section could have added some weight to her future sacrifice. She loves the sun, and to be with Edward, she would have to give it up. Except by that point, he’s got such a stranglehold over her that she doesn’t care.

“"Charlie!" I suddenly recalled his existence, and sighed.” Damn my stupid father for being alive!

“"It’s twilight," Edward murmured, looking at the western horizon, obscured as it was with clouds.” *eye-roll*

“"So is it my turn tomorrow, then?"
"Certainly not!" His face was teasingly outraged. "I told you I wasn't done, didn't I?"” So… he’s just being controlling again. He calls all the shots, and she obeys. Also, we were just told they had this epic conversation, but we saw no interaction at all. He just grilled her about likes and dislikes, and only interjected to ask another question or tell her to keep going. I think the thing that strikes me the most about Edward and Bella is how unaccountably boring they both are. They don’t care about or like anything, really.

“He glanced at me for a brief second. "Another complication," he said glumly.
He flung the door open in one swift movement, and then moved, almost cringed, swiftly away from me.” Um… what?

“"Charlie's around the corner," he warned, staring through the downpour at the other vehicle.” You know, I think this is more their desperate desire for disapproval, so they can feel like they’re doing something illicit. Charlie praised the Cullens in the highest terms possible, and sneered at anyone who wouldn’t think they were just the salt of the earth as jealous and close-minded. So… wouldn’t he be thrilled that his daughter is getting close to this young man he thinks so highly of?

“His expression was a strange mix of frustration and defiance.” … Oh, my aching adjectives!

“And the surprisingly familiar eyes, black eyes that seemed at the same time both too young and too ancient for the broad face they were set in.” I’ll bet a single tear also courses down from those eyes when he sees pollution.

“Could he really believe the impossible legends his son had scoffed at?
The answer was clear in Billy's eyes. Yes. Yes, he could.” Geez, now someone is going to tell me I shouldn’t date an undead sucker of human blood. MY LIFE IS SO HARD!!!!

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Re: Twilight?

Postby InfiniteLoup » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:23 pm UTC

One of the (many) things that bugged me about the books was Bella's feelings about her parents. When Edward interrogates her about her family situation and moving to Forks, Bella is all like "Oh, I don't really mind that my parents are split up and that my mom is dating another guy. I just don't want to get in the way because I'm so nice." (or something to that effect - I don't have a copy of the book with me) When I read that, I just assumed that her real feelings would come out later as the characters develop and open up. The problem is that Smeyer is too lazy to write about tough emotions. It was around Eclipse when I realised that there *were* no real feelings underneath the facade. She actually has zero qualms about her family being broken up. I mean, seriously, who feels that way? I think we can now call this a vampire/werewolf/zombie romance.

Smeyer wrote:Sure. Brown is warm. I miss brown. Everything that's supposed to be brown — tree trunks, rocks, dirt — is all covered up with squashy green stuff here
Stephanie Meyer REALLY needs to go see a west coast forest. I mean REALLY needs to. Also, is there all that much brown in Arizona?

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Re: Twilight?

Postby kapojinha » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:26 pm UTC

InfiniteLoup wrote:Also, is there all that much brown in Arizona?


Yeah. Dirt.
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Re: Twilight?

Postby Silverstorm42 » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:46 pm UTC

Reasons I don't like Twilight:
- Bella is weak and stupid, and can't think for herself. It seems as though she can't survive without Edward.
- Edward is a total Mary Sue. Color-changing eyes, glittering skin, amazingly strong and fast, immortal ... practically all the symptoms are there.
- The plot is confusing and pointless.
- Half the book is description of how wonderful Edward is. It gets tedious.
SPOILER FOR THE LAST BOOK
Spoiler:
- I only read the first and second books, but a friend told me that at the end, Edward does turn Bella into a vampire. :roll:
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