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Favorite Herbert book?

Postby monkeykoder » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:18 am UTC

Okay as far as authors go Herbert is God. What is your favorite Herbert book and why.

I think I may have to re-read every book he ever wrote to pick a favorite but I'll go with the Dune saga in general just for the epic scope.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:20 am UTC

I feel like a bad person for admitting this, but I couldn't name a non-Dune Herbert book. That said, Dune ftw.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby nerdygirlfriday » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:33 am UTC

Love Dune, love Children of Dune even more.

One of my favorite quotes is from CoD:

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby monkeykoder » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:03 am UTC

I'd have to say some of Herbert's other books are lesser than Dune. If you don't get Dune you're missing out on an epic classic I didn't really quite get the feel of the book till my second time through. That said I've never enjoyed reading a book twice until I re-read the entire Dune saga and I plan on reading them all again soon. I don't think I'll ever get anywhere near the depth there is in that series even if I re-read it every week for the rest of my life.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby l33t_sas » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:06 am UTC

I think 90% of people who choose a book other than Dune are just trying to show off.

That said, I've only read Dune and the first sequel, whatever it was called, and then I got bored. But Dune itself is epic. Among my favourite books ever.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby monkeykoder » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:14 am UTC

I'll have to say The Jesus Incident was interesting. Dosadai experiment was nice but yeah Dune is epic it doesn't start to get really good again until after God Emperor but I think you need the back-story.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby btilly » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:59 am UTC

My favorite book about Frank Herbert's books is http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/ by Tim O'Reilly. (Yes, the same guy that publishes computer books. I would have never known he had written it if he hadn't told me about it in person.)

It is free online from that link. I recommend reading it.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Sunsnail » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:27 pm UTC

I absolutely love Dune. As a matter of fact, I am listening to it on audiobook right now.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby dekonstruct » Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:14 pm UTC

I just finished Children of Dune yesterday, and I've taken a break to read "The Shock Doctrine" then it's back to Dune. They kind of fit together in a way.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Zohar » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:42 pm UTC

I've only read two books by him. Dune, obviously, is the first. I didn't continue in the series because I hear it's annoying to stop in the middle of it and annoying to read the end of it. I might one day, though.

The second I got simply because it was Herbert and wasn't related to Dune. It's called "The Eyes of Heisenberg" (awful title). The book's pretty interesting, but not as good as Dune.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby cathrl » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:38 pm UTC

Dune is great. Its sequels are not so great.

I've tried a few other books by him, not in the Dune universe, and haven't even managed to get through them. Sure, I'm not an author - but to my mind, one great sci-fi novel and a pack of mediocrity doesn't make anyone God.

So yeah, Dune.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby monkeykoder » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:58 pm UTC

I don't know why people knock the rest of the Dune series. I don't even think it gets good until after God Emperor but maybe I'm just odd in the head because no one seems to like some of his more interesting work. Maybe it was the fact that I read Dune when I was in 6th grade and for a second time when I was 2 years into college that his work appeals to me so much. The thought process that allows you to enjoy Dune was imprinted in me early and I could grow into the rest of his work and read it for what it is instead of just for the entertainment value (which I still believe to be quite high).

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby kkariena » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:02 am UTC

I love the Dune series! I have almost all the books and, sadly, I've gotten the pequel books by Kevin J Anderson and Brian Herbert (though origionally I started reading them because Kevin J Anderson was a Star Wars author). Dune is an absolutely amazing series. As a religion and culture nut I absolutely loved the way he worked the politics, religion, and weaved the evolution of seemingly incompatable religions together.

The other book I've read by Frank Herbert is The White Plague and I have to say it is an absolutely facinating book. One of these days I'll find it and finish it (I got about half way through before I lost it), but the concept and plot is highly facinating and disturbing (Molecular biologist-type person goes insane and creates a virus that kills only women).
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby no-genius » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:59 pm UTC

The worst Dune book I've read must be Hunters of Dune. Has anyone read Sandworms/ should I spend any money on it?
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Cabhan » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:56 pm UTC

I liked Dune a lot. The rest of the series just lost so very much.

But he's a bit like Orson Scott Card for me. I've read the Dune / Ender series, and nothing else.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby ThreeLawsSafe » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:10 pm UTC

I first tried to read Dune in middle school but didn't like it so I stopped a third of the way through. I picked it up again a couple years later and absolutely loved it. The next two novels are great too. Anything after that I lost interest. Same thing happened with Orson Scoot Card's Ender series (to continue Cabhan's comparison). Absolutely loved Ender's Game, Speaker of the Dead, and even Xenocide. Anything after that was blah.

But Dune is great. I like the quotes that Herbert puts at the beginning of each chapter. There was one really cool one, but I forget what book. Once I find it I'll post it here.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:20 am UTC

no-genius wrote:The worst Dune book I've read must be Hunters of Dune. Has anyone read Sandworms/ should I spend any money on it?


I have. It's...well, I'd say buy it. You may as well get closure, if you've already read hunters.

Incidentally, I thought Dune was amazing, Messiah was a little less, Children got better, God-Emperor was pretty cool because I was fascinated by Leto's grand plan to save everyone. Heretics and Chapterhouse felt very different--there was technology, there were many things that were honestly a little jarring. I liked it nonetheless, so all in all the time I spent reading the Dune saga was well-spent.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby nerdygirlfriday » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:32 am UTC

I read the first three books in the Dune series, and then someone gave me Hunters for winter holiday and I wasn't going to read it, but there was literally nothing else. Besides the fact that Brian is a pale shadow of his father in my opinion, I was totally surprised at the amount of sexuality in it.

Someone told me Chapterhouse was all about this as well, which seems a bit off for me. But now I feel like I have to real the previous books just to get caught up and see how much of Hunters was Brian's influence and how much really was Frank's.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:49 am UTC

nerdygirlfriday wrote:I read the first three books in the Dune series, and then someone gave me Hunters for winter holiday and I wasn't going to read it, but there was literally nothing else. Besides the fact that Brian is a pale shadow of his father in my opinion, I was totally surprised at the amount of sexuality in it.

Someone told me Chapterhouse was all about this as well, which seems a bit off for me. But now I feel like I have to real the previous books just to get caught up and see how much of Hunters was Brian's influence and how much really was Frank's.


The later books have a sort of sexual-warfare kind of thing going on.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby zombie_monkey » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:36 am UTC

I've read a few books by him, not Dune though. But David Lynch's film is in my top... 5? And I don't even like cinema much. The game by Cryo is also great, it's from before Cryo sucked.
Of those I have read, I thought The Godmakers was quite interesting to analyze. I also noticed that dichotomy that btilly mentioned, but I'm pretty ok with such things, I don't feel a compulsion to identify with writers' preconceptions. I also enjoyed Hellstrom's Hive, it was light/quick/simple compared to most of his writing. People should definitely read more of his books, like the Dosadi Experiment, The Santaroga Barrier...
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Shazgonk » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:08 pm UTC

Dune is one of the greatest pieces of writing...ever. It also really got me interested in ecology.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby ManiacalBrain » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:45 pm UTC

Dune, and the (origional) Dune series are the greatest. I was really looking forward to the Legends of....and then I read them....God they're terrible!
Not too sure how it's going to work out but a new Dune movie is in the pipelines for 2010, apparently directed by Peter Berg

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:26 am UTC

ManiacalBrain wrote:Dune, and the (origional) Dune series are the greatest. I was really looking forward to the Legends of....and then I read them....God they're terrible!
Not too sure how it's going to work out but a new Dune movie is in the pipelines for 2010, apparently directed by Peter Berg


Will either be amazing goodness or just fail hard. Movies based on great books are always one way or the other it seems. Lord of the Rings vs. most other adaptations.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby JayDee » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:17 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:
ManiacalBrain wrote:Dune, and the (origional) Dune series are the greatest. I was really looking forward to the Legends of....and then I read them....God they're terrible!
Not too sure how it's going to work out but a new Dune movie is in the pipelines for 2010, apparently directed by Peter Berg
Will either be amazing goodness or just fail hard. Movies based on great books are always one way or the other it seems. Lord of the Rings vs. most other adaptations.
Huh? I didn't think most other adaptations were amazingly good :D .

But new Dune movies? Why?
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby Jorpho » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:07 pm UTC

I've only read The Heaven Makers, and didn't much care for it at all. I'm still not completely sure what everyone was going on about in that one. Seemed like one of those science fiction books where the author just wants to pontificate about his pet philosophies and to heck with plot or characterization.

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby no-genius » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:54 am UTC

Also, I have Frank Herbet edits Nebula winners (I forget which year), still haven't read it.
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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby shrike » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:47 am UTC

I love all of the Dune books, though it took me a few tries to get through Chapterhouse. I think my favorite is probably God Emperor of Dune, mostly because I first read it when I was way too young (10 or 11) and liked it but didn't nearly get it completely, and then read it a couple of years ago and actually understood all the concepts and themes.

Also, Heretics of Dune is worth reading, if only for the part where

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Re: Favorite Herbert book?

Postby b.i.o » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:26 am UTC

Shrike, spoiler tag that please.

My favorite books in the Dune series are Heretics and Chapterhouse, with Dune itself coming in a close third. Outside of the Dune series, I really like Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment. They're not as epic as Dune, but still very much the essence of Frank Herbert. Other than that, the one I've really like the most is The Dragon in the Sea--it's his first novel, and it's definitely one of my favorites of his--it's pretty hard to find though.


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