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Came back to add Rosemary Kirstein's Steerswoman series as possibly the best example of this type of science-seen-as-magic I've ever read. Really good sci-fi in the guise of good fantasy.
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Postby Vahir » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:12 pm UTC

So, the first four episodes of season 5 were leaked ahead of time. I haven't seen them myself, but from what I heard, in them

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Sansa marries Ramsay. SANSA. MARRIES. RAMSAY.


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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:19 am UTC

Fuck me why did I read that?
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Postby roband » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:51 am UTC

I refuse to believe that spoiler. But I'll find out tonight.

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Postby roband » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:31 pm UTC

Just started the second episode

Spoiler:
And Brienne/Podrick bump into Littlefinger/Sansa.... What?!

It also looks like Bronn is being sent to the sandy place to get Myrcella.

Maybe that previous spoiler is right.

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Postby ArgonV » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:01 pm UTC

Hmm, based on episode 1 it seems they're deviating from the books quite a lot now. Some things I understand for what are probably pacing issues. Others I'm curious to see where they lead. I think one of my favorite lines from the books might be in this season :D

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Postby Lucrece » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:47 am UTC

The Sansa spoiler is right. I watched all 4 episodes already (my sub for HBO is already paid for with my cable package, so it's not like I'm gonna unsub; I still plan to support the show's ratings with live air dates).

This new season is just damn good, the pacing is great. The sets and costumes as usual are outstanding.
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Postby SlyReaper » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:15 am UTC

I'm not sure I can bear to watch the other three leaked episodes, because then it'll be nearly a month before getting the next episode.
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Postby Lucrece » Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:26 pm UTC

I'm used to Netflix where you just frontload the season, it doesn't really bother me. HBO should just get on with the program.
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Postby SlyReaper » Mon May 18, 2015 6:15 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Was anyone else waiting for Sansa to whip out a blade and stab Ramsey in the throat? I am disappoint.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon May 18, 2015 6:43 pm UTC

On the major plot deviation in last nights episode

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I kept waiting for something to prevent her from being raped by Ramsey, buuuuuuut nope. On the one hand, I think as a character development it may serve to harden Sansa and make her step into her duties/responsibilities/birthright with a bit more gusto, on the other, man, I hope they didn't just change that up in an effort to garner more sympathy for her?

My fiance also pointed out that it was an interesting and potentially bad choice to underline the horror of the scene through the eyes of Theon, not Sansa, though we both agreed that may have been a ratings thing, to make the scene a bit easier to watch?

I kept waiting for Sansa and Theon to have some kind of clarity moment, with Theon waking up a bit and saying something like 'I DIDN"T KILL YOUR BROTHERS'... Man... This fucking show.
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Postby Lucrece » Mon May 18, 2015 7:53 pm UTC

Well, the expectation in a medieval setting is that when you are married to a lord, you are going to have sex with them whether you want to or not. So I really didn't see it as much of a shock. When you take someone for a husband in such retrograde times it's not like it's going to be some romantic affair. Hell, in most of the world it still isn't about the choices and wants of the woman.

What annoys me more is that it seems like a fakeout. Build someone to be interesting and empowered only to put them back to the boring role of a whimpering tool to be used by others. Which can make sense because that is probably the fate of most women in medieval times, but it doesn't necessarily make for good television. It's basically a Joffrey 2.0 storyline, and why retread that.

I was more bothered with the deviation with Ser Barristan. I don't appreciate exchanging that important storyline with more gooey eyed angst between a eunuch soldier and the queen's translator.
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Postby Jave D » Mon May 18, 2015 7:54 pm UTC

Yeah, I'm done with this show now.

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Postby Dark567 » Mon May 18, 2015 8:21 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:What annoys me more is that it seems like a fakeout. Build someone to be interesting and empowered only to put them back to the boring role of a whimpering tool to be used by others.


I'm less sure about that. I think Sansa is more interesting and more empowered... For some reason I feel like old, less "empowered" Sansa would have behaved vary differently, screaming and shouting and doing a lot to end up getting herself killed. I guess, I'm just wondering how a more empowered person here would act?
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Postby KnightExemplar » Mon May 18, 2015 8:34 pm UTC

It bothers me too. But there's a few more episodes in the season. I'm rather patient when it comes to shows, but...

Spoiler:
Sansa and Theon better do something right by the end of this season. Stabbing Ramsey seems like the obvious choice, but George R R Martin hopefully has something more creative / entertaining than that.


I guess, I'm just wondering how a more empowered person here would act?


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I agree with you. Not much differently in this situation, because Sansa was more or less trapped into this situation by Little Finger. Nonetheless, its about what she does after these events that will define her character.

On the "empowered" front, the real whiny kid is the current King Tommen is showing his (lack of) balls this past episode. I'm hoping that the kid starts doing something about his sorry ass situation soon. I understand that Cersei Lannister is a powerful character to go up against, but he's basically sitting on the side "helpless", despite having the title of King.
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Postby WaterToFire » Mon May 18, 2015 8:38 pm UTC

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Lucrece wrote:What annoys me more is that it seems like a fakeout. Build someone to be interesting and empowered only to put them back to the boring role of a whimpering tool to be used by others.


I'm less sure about that. I think Sansa is more interesting and more empowered... For some reason I feel like old, less "empowered" Sansa would have behaved vary differently, screaming and shouting and doing a lot to end up getting herself killed. I guess, I'm just wondering how a more empowered person here would act?

I agree, also I think the changes in her character will be more apparent going forward. Sansa did what she had to to survive, but I don't think she'll go back to being a feeble chew-toy. She's learning "the game" from Littlefinger, which means manipulation and soft power. Pulling a knife on Ramsay would have been a temporary victory at best and ultimately suicidal. I think she will use the tools available to her to assert herself and gain Ramsay's favor, probably at the expense of Myranda.

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Postby SlyReaper » Mon May 18, 2015 9:03 pm UTC

In my head, I was imagining her murdering either Ramsey or Roose at the wedding, and as the guards hacked her to pieces in retaliation, her dying words would have been "worth it".

I mean, come on. It's a wedding. In Game of Thrones. A Game of Thrones wedding without someone dying is considered a very dull affair.
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Postby KnightExemplar » Mon May 18, 2015 9:41 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:I mean, come on. It's a wedding. In Game of Thrones. A Game of Thrones wedding without someone dying is considered a very dull affair.


3/5 of the official "season weddings" have ended in death at this point. Gotta keep the viewers guessing, amirite? Can't have someone die at all of them.
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Postby Zohar » Mon May 18, 2015 11:26 pm UTC

I'm getting real tired of the "It's historical!!!" excuse when you have dragons, zombies and magical ice showing up on a weekly basis.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon May 18, 2015 11:51 pm UTC

Personally, the arming of the Sparrows made me pretty uncomfortable. The "trial" made my skin crawl.
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Postby Dark567 » Tue May 19, 2015 12:22 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I'm getting real tired of the "It's historical!!!" excuse when you have dragons, zombies and magical ice showing up on a weekly basis.
Than I think you missing at least part of the point. GoT(and its source) is supposed to be people acting very much like humans did and do(including all the horrible things), yet set in (somewhat)fantastical setting. Essentially to have humans still like real people instead of fantasy people that don't really exist(i.e. everyone in LotR).
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Postby Zohar » Tue May 19, 2015 12:36 am UTC

I don't think I'm missing the point, I think I'm pointing out one of the points I don't like.
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Zohar wrote:I don't think I'm missing the point, I think I'm pointing out one of the points I don't like.
I guess... but that's like GoT's: Realistic humans in a fantastical setting. I don't get why someone would have kept watching until now if they didn't like that.
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Postby Lucrece » Tue May 19, 2015 6:24 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I don't think I'm missing the point, I think I'm pointing out one of the points I don't like.


But it's not an invalid point. There are fantasies with different background, some of them ahistorical and rather progressive. This particular fantasy setting is just a borrowed version of England during War of The Roses with dragons and magic mixed in. The social mores have been set.

Look at Cersei. Married around like some brood mare. Look at Cat, who had to endure Ned Stark's unfaithfulness and his bastard son. Sansa married to a king and humiliated in front of guests who did nothing. Ramsay and Roose, lords who rape with impunity. People are skinned and beheaded as punishment.

Their medieval views on homosexuality. Loras having to stay closeted, then imprisoned when the affair comes to light and even before then he was the target of crude homophobic jokes.

This is not the setting to have modern western expectation of behavior and views. Sansa, or whichever girl had been given off for marriage to a lordling would have been raped. Ramsay would not have turned into some respectful and compassionate young man just for Sansa. He fed his previous wives to dogs.

This is what you sign up for when you watch this show. Rape is not new here, Daenerys was also raped, and as a minor sold off to a warlord.
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Postby Jave D » Tue May 19, 2015 6:58 am UTC

Right, it's the "setting's" views on homosexuality. Except the setting doesn't have Loras on trial for "buggery" whatsoever - the show makers decided to go that route, adding in persecution of homosexuality because Oh me yarm, so topical. In fact, the setting has Loras as a strong warrior, one of the best swordsmen in Westeros, who was faithful to Renly even unto death. The show however has him as an effeminate fop who just goes from one guy to the next like he's in some casual sex competition. Gay stereotypes are cool! But yeah that's just how the story is. As told by D&D, who are clearly just adding hot-button issues the same way they added nude 20th century models and sex scenes. As if they have some quota, and if the book doesn't happen to have them, why, fuck it, add it! Because who needs things like dialogue or stories that actually make sense, just show some non-consenting sex scenes!

Oh, did I say non-consenting? Apparently a lot of people think it was totally consenting. Sansa did agree to marry him after all. And she never said no. She started to disrobe! Etc. So, the argument itself generates attention generates views equals money, so therefore D&D are basically profiting off of rape culture. Knowingly, I think - that whole church rape scene with Jaime and Cersei should have clued them in before. But it just clued them into money I guess.

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Postby ArgonV » Tue May 19, 2015 11:53 am UTC

Jave D wrote: Except the setting doesn't have Loras on trial for "buggery" whatsoever


I don't wish to nitpick, but that was one of the exact words the High Sparrow was accusing him off. But I get your point, to paraphrase someone else; in the books, Loras is one of the best swordfighters, who just happened to be gay. In the show, he's a gay who happens to do some fighting every once in a while, when he's not having sex.

And I know it happens in the books, but hearing people say something like: "The laws of men must make way for the will of the gods" or whatever makes my blood boil. Self-righteous pricks!

Spoiler:
I totally expected Sansa to pull out a dagger when she was shown loosening her arm laces (or whatever they're called). I also hope Myranda dies. She's very pretty, but also very petty and just plain evil. Pulled apart by her own hounds, that should be good.


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Postby Chen » Tue May 19, 2015 12:10 pm UTC

Jave D wrote:As if they have some quota, and if the book doesn't happen to have them, why, fuck it, add it! Because who needs things like dialogue or stories that actually make sense, just show some non-consenting sex scenes!


Well I'm pretty sure Sansa is replacing the whole Jeyne Poole storyline in Winterfell. And Ramsey did some bad things to her...

Oh, did I say non-consenting? Apparently a lot of people think it was totally consenting. Sansa did agree to marry him after all. And she never said no. She started to disrobe! Etc. So, the argument itself generates attention generates views equals money, so therefore D&D are basically profiting off of rape culture. Knowingly, I think - that whole church rape scene with Jaime and Cersei should have clued them in before. But it just clued them into money I guess.


Well she didn't say no and did go through with it when there were other options. That said its clear her acceptance was based on the implicit (and maybe explicit) threat of violence towards her if she didn't. I mean she could have tried to make him stop and it would likely have just ended up WAY worse for her so she went along with it. So there was consent but it was clearly forced under duress which would make the whole thing still rape.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue May 19, 2015 12:45 pm UTC

It's a sad state of affairs that Sansa accepting something horrible happening to her is tantamount to character development for her. She pushed back at Miranda in an uncharacteristic show of willpower, but IIRC, Sansa isn't much more than a pawn traded around in the books anyway, strangely and miraculously shielded from most of the violence happening around her.

Maybe, as with Dany, the plot line here is that Sansa endures and deals with some of the horribleness happening to her, and maneuvers her way to being an active participant in her own storyline for a chance. Up until now, her character has served as nothing more than a window from which to see some shittiness in the high courts from the perspective of someone no one quite knows what to do with.
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Postby Zohar » Tue May 19, 2015 12:47 pm UTC

What Jave D said - the show's creators decided to focus on these scenes (have not read the books so can't comment on them).

Also, it's not that it's particularly historically accurate - a lot of the medieval buggery laws were aimed specifically at the receiver (the "bottom"). If the trial wanted to be accurate, there should have been a lot more discussion about the actual mechanics, and if Loras ended up being the one giving it to random-blond-guy, then Loras would have been pretty much free to do as he pleases. So the show distorts the past to instill values and rules that are quite different from it. Which is not to say it's necessarily bad, but it's definitely not "historically accurate" and that argument isn't particularly valid.

I don't see this being a very good story choice (also the way rape is used as character development is pretty abhorrent...) so I'm left with sensationalism. It's not even a critic of anti-sodomy laws (or anti-LGBT sentiments). There was no critic of the trial other than "I'm the queen" and "you can't do this" and "he's my brother". No one was saying "having sex with men is OK", the closest anyone got to that was when Margery (sp?) and her grandmother were saying "oh it's a thing that exists".

Also, why didn't Loras just say "Dudes, he's my squire, he's seen me naked dozens of times when he was dressing me for battle or whatever"?
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Postby Lucrece » Tue May 19, 2015 6:24 pm UTC

Laws punishing the receiver would have made little difference considering most gay men are versatile and at some point of their lives have probably been on their receiving end.

More importantly, you must have forgotten his scene with Olivar (the blond guy) where he was shown to bottom for him as Olivar straddled him and spread his legs to go at it missionary style.
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Postby Zohar » Tue May 19, 2015 7:15 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:Laws punishing the receiver would have made little difference considering most gay men are versatile and at some point of their lives have probably been on their receiving end.

More importantly, you must have forgotten his scene with Olivar (the blond guy) where he was shown to bottom for him as Olivar straddled him and spread his legs to go at it missionary style.

Fair enough, I did forget about it, although that doesn't mean those questions shouldn't have been asked. And if Olivar was in no danger, what was his incentive in testifying?

Regarding your first comment - 1. I'm not sure it's true that most gay men are versatile (in fact from what I know most are not), and 2. What was relevant was the specific interaction in question. So if Olivar was actually the bottom on a regular basis, regardless of what Loras did with Renly, for instance, he would have been innocent, unless they had someone to testify about his relationship with Renly.
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Postby WaterToFire » Tue May 19, 2015 9:08 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Fair enough, I did forget about it, although that doesn't mean those questions shouldn't have been asked. And if Olivar was in no danger, what was his incentive in testifying?


Olyvar didn't seem bothered or nervous by the hearing. I think there might be more to his motivation then we've yet seen. I'm guessing someone is using him, perhaps Cersei or Littlefinger, though I'm not sure how yet. It does seem inconvenient to incriminate yourself as part of someone else's plan, though.

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Postby Lucrece » Tue May 19, 2015 9:34 pm UTC

Actually, Olivar was terrified when the faith stormed the brothel and he heard the screams from one of the patrons who was having sex with a man. I'm pretty sure he's testifying under duress.
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Postby SecondTalon » Tue May 19, 2015 9:52 pm UTC

Chen wrote:So there was consent but it was clearly forced under duress which would make the whole thing still rape.

I don't think you understand what the word "consent" means.
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Postby WaterToFire » Wed May 20, 2015 2:24 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:Actually, Olivar was terrified when the faith stormed the brothel and he heard the screams from one of the patrons who was having sex with a man. I'm pretty sure he's testifying under duress.

I remember that. To me, he didn't seem like someone who was intimidated into his testimony. Or at least, I suspect they offered him amnesty in exchange for his remarks.

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Postby Lucrece » Wed May 20, 2015 2:54 am UTC

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Lucrece wrote:Actually, Olivar was terrified when the faith stormed the brothel and he heard the screams from one of the patrons who was having sex with a man. I'm pretty sure he's testifying under duress.

I remember that. To me, he didn't seem like someone who was intimidated into his testimony. Or at least, I suspect they offered him amnesty in exchange for his remarks.



Probably pressured into testimony in exchange for not being physically punished. You don't testify against House Tyrell and particularly one of your more beneficial clients without good reason. After all Loras was also Littlefinger's ticket into the courtly intrigue since Loras would spill all the beans to Olivar post-sex.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby maybeagnostic » Wed May 20, 2015 8:16 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:Actually, Olivar was terrified when the faith stormed the brothel and he heard the screams from one of the patrons who was having sex with a man. I'm pretty sure he's testifying under duress.

He was terrified when he saw what they did in the brothel but we see him confident and smirking again just a short time after Littlefinger came back to King's Landing. Clearly, Littlefinger is giving Cersei the opportunity to dig herself an even deeper whole. I have no idea what specifically he offered Olyvar but his behaviour wasn't that of someone acting under duress. The Faith aren't exactly gentle or subtle once they get to extracting confessions themselves. Incidentally, you can probably be forgiven if you confess your sins of your own volition since (ADwD spoiler)
Spoiler:
Lancel told the High Septon everything about his sins and he is still a trusted aid to the High Septon.


SecondTaon wrote:I don't think you understand what the word "consent" means.

Well, that is just getting muddled. She consented to go to the North and she consented to marry Ramsay. Except for Theon, what happened after would be considered perfectly normal in Westeros. It doesn't make it any less rape but despite veiled threats and a terrible situation, Sansa is exercising as much control of the situation as she possibly can. That makes the whole thing* very different from her situation in King's Landing where she was just trying to survive and waiting for someone to save her.

* Not talking about the final scene but her place in Winterfell in general.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Zohar » Wed May 20, 2015 2:47 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:
SecondTaon wrote:I don't think you understand what the word "consent" means.

Well, that is just getting muddled


No it's not. Did she agree to have sex with him? No. Did he have sex with her anyway? Yes. That's rape. The fact that pretty much all women in Westeros suffer this doesn't make it any better, quite the opposite.
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