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The Martian

Postby charliepanayi » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:44 pm UTC

Saw this today. It's pretty good, I think they did a good job of adapting the book and its occasional humour. It mainly works because as usual Matt Damon is a charismatic, engaging presence. I have no idea how accurate the science is etc, I'll leave that for others to pick over.
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Re: The Martian

Postby speising » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:59 pm UTC

This has already been flogged pretty thoroughly in the comic thread.

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Re: The Martian

Postby charliepanayi » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:22 pm UTC

Yeah, but that was in advance of the film coming out and I thought it deserved a thread in the film section.
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Re: The Martian

Postby Mother Superior » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:32 pm UTC

They completely got Mark Watney right from the book, and once they did that they got 90% of what made the book a success, imo.
I had some troubles with the Earth-scenes, mainly due to pacing and some missed opportunities, but nothing major. Only major thing they cut from the book which upset me was;
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When he fried Pathfinder.

Would have liked to have seen that, and it also makes his isolation a little less dramatic.

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...I also hated that Sojourner was driving around like a little RC car in the hab.
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Re: The Martian

Postby Chen » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:40 pm UTC

I enjoyed this. I found the cut the right things from the book to make the film flow better. A lot of things wouldn't have translated well onto the screen.

The only thing I felt could probably have been kept in was:
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The rover crashing on the way into the crater. I suspect it would have messed with the pacing though which is why they removed it


The change at the end
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where Lewis goes to save Watney instead of Beck, was likely just due to the actress wanting more screen time. She's a much bigger name than the guy who played Beck so it kinda makes sense. On that note, why the hell did Beck travel TO the airlock on the outside of the ship, instead of just doing it on the way back. Also why was he jumping around completely untethered when traversing the ship. That seemed ridiculously dangerous for no reason.

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Re: The Martian

Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:44 pm UTC

I really enjoyed the movie. I found it much funnier than I expected. There were a few cliffhangery bits which were, to me, less enjoyable, but just because the rest of the movie was so entertaining. I have not read the book but other book readers seem to have enjoyed it.

Minor movie spoilers (and I suppose book spoilers? please don't spoil the book more than what's written here):
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The involvement of the Chinese government looked like pandering to the Chinese cinema market to make sure the movie is successful there, but apparently that was part of the book as well.
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Re: The Martian

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:39 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I really enjoyed the movie. I found it much funnier than I expected. There were a few cliffhangery bits which were, to me, less enjoyable, but just because the rest of the movie was so entertaining. I have not read the book but other book readers seem to have enjoyed it.


The book was quite funny. I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that they managed to get the right amount of snark into the movie--movies with an isolated, single character are tricky to pull off well.

Minor movie spoilers (and I suppose book spoilers? please don't spoil the book more than what's written here):
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The involvement of the Chinese government looked like pandering to the Chinese cinema market to make sure the movie is successful there, but apparently that was part of the book as well.


Definitely part of the book as well.

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Re: The Martian

Postby charliepanayi » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:33 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
The change at the end
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where Lewis goes to save Watney instead of Beck, was likely just due to the actress wanting more screen time. She's a much bigger name than the guy who played Beck so it kinda makes sense. On that note, why the hell did Beck travel TO the airlock on the outside of the ship, instead of just doing it on the way back. Also why was he jumping around completely untethered when traversing the ship. That seemed ridiculously dangerous for no reason.


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I don't really see Jessica Chastain being the sort of person to demand more screen time, maybe they chose her as she's a bigger name, but I also wonder if a scriptwriter who worked on Buffy would have liked the idea of inverting the damsel in distress gets saved by a guy trope
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Re: The Martian

Postby Chen » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:21 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:
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I don't really see Jessica Chastain being the sort of person to demand more screen time, maybe they chose her as she's a bigger name, but I also wonder if a scriptwriter who worked on Buffy would have liked the idea of inverting the damsel in distress gets saved by a guy trope


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Maybe. I mean in any case her role at the end could have been anyone. In fact it could have been a big weighted ball. I don't know why they dragged the end out for those extra bits after he had his hand on the tether. At that point he was pretty much safe.

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Re: The Martian

Postby maybeagnostic » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:42 am UTC

I really enjoyed the whole experience. It is the first movie of the recently developing space dramas that I enjoyed throughout instead of liking it conditionally.

Chen wrote:The only thing I felt could probably have been kept in was:
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The rover crashing on the way into the crater. I suspect it would have messed with the pacing though which is why they removed it

I am glad they skipped that part. I really expected it to happen as I watched the scene and dreaded the (at that point) unnecessary inclusion of further obstacles.
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Watney already dealt with a number of big challenges and it was nice to see that they stressed how important teamwork was for finally retrieving him. I would much rather not have had one more scene where he fixes a problem by himself.

I haven't read the book but about the thing that was apparently not changed:
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The way the Chinese Space Agency was included very much felt like the ending of a Transformers movie with that scene where they decided to help while not needing to and the Chinese astronaut on the next Ares mission. At the same time the spirit of cooperation, the meaninglessness of national distinction on Mars and the fact that NASA is no longer the only force in space exploration were all important themes of the story so it made perfect sense to include them. I think the scenes just felt a little clumsy.
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Re: The Martian

Postby Chen » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:50 am UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:I haven't read the book but about the thing that was apparently not changed:
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The way the Chinese Space Agency was included very much felt like the ending of a Transformers movie with that scene where they decided to help while not needing to and the Chinese astronaut on the next Ares mission. At the same time the spirit of cooperation, the meaninglessness of national distinction on Mars and the fact that NASA is no longer the only force in space exploration were all important themes of the story so it made perfect sense to include them. I think the scenes just felt a little clumsy.


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They did explicitly do it in the book to get a Chinese astronaut on Mars the next time and to show how China helped save a US astronaut. This was sold as a very political move. It's reinforced when one of the Chinese engineers mentions how their original probe would have brought new and novel science and now the booster is being used for a delivery run. He says something like "sure we'll get a Chinese astronaut on Mars, but overall this will be a net loss of knowledge for mankind".

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Postby PAstrychef » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:28 am UTC

Overall a fun time. I liked the book and the movie! That almost never happens. Best of all, I didn't notice much of what was adapted as being missing.
It was great that the casting of the scientists was so inclusive. It's a long way from the room full of white guys in previous NASA movies. I hope this gets a whole new crew of potential astronauts inspired.
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Re: The Martian

Postby sardia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:34 am UTC

PAstrychef wrote:Overall a fun time. I liked the book and the movie! That almost never happens. Best of all, I didn't notice much of what was adapted as being missing.
It was great that the casting of the scientists was so inclusive. It's a long way from the room full of white guys in previous NASA movies. I hope this gets a whole new crew of potential astronauts inspired.

There's nowhere for the astronauts to go. If anything, it would inspire a new generation of rocket scientists, rover engineers, and probe designers.

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Re: The Martian

Postby PAstrychef » Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:41 am UTC

Since I have friends who are astronauts who have spent months on the ISS, people are still going into space. And it would be fantastic if China did get a program into orbit-the competitive edge would have a US-European agency hearing for Mars in a New York minute.
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Re: The Martian

Postby Nath » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:24 am UTC

Just saw the movie, having recently read the book. I enjoyed them both, but I think this is one of the rare movie-book pairs where reading the book first actually took away from my enjoyment of the movie. This isn't the kind of story with lots of characters and plot threads and backstory; it's a pretty straightforward, linear plot. Which is fine, but it means that reading the book in advance removes tension, without adding much depth.

But even aside from that, I preferred the book. A lot of the little things in the movie felt more Hollywood-cliche than the book:
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  • Rich Purcell's eccentricity, which was already one of the less convincingly-written parts of the book, was dialed way up into sitcom territory.
  • The 'recruit academy' scene at the end was totally unnecessary, and felt unnatural. For instance, everybody's hand shooting up simultaneously the instant he asks if there are any questions.
  • Some of the one-liners fell a bit flat (Bruce Ng's change of clothes), or strong jokes from the book were replaced with weaker jokes (Watney no longer wondering about Aquaman, (.Y.)).
  • The love story between Beck and Johanssen should have been trimmed out; the helmet-kiss kind of came out of nowhere in the movie, and the flash-forward where they have a baby right as Ares V launches was pretty trite.

The way the handled Asian characters was also super weird. Given the limited number of well-known Indian-American actors who'd work as Kapoor, I can understand casting Ejiofor, but it was really silly that they still tried to pass him off as half-Indian. Just change his name, lose the 'many Gods' line, and move on. And I thought Mindy Park was supposed to be Korean-American; was it really that hard to find an Asian-American actress to play that role? Unlike Kapoor, this seemed like a gratuitous change.

Watney was well-cast. Reading the book, I was thinking Ben Browder, probably because of the parallels with his Farscape character. But Matt Damon fit the role perfectly too.

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Re: The Martian

Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:50 pm UTC

Nath wrote:Just saw the movie, having recently read the book. I enjoyed them both, but I think this is one of the rare movie-book pairs where reading the book first actually took away from my enjoyment of the movie. This isn't the kind of story with lots of characters and plot threads and backstory; it's a pretty straightforward, linear plot. Which is fine, but it means that reading the book in advance removes tension, without adding much depth.

But even aside from that, I preferred the book. A lot of the little things in the movie felt more Hollywood-cliche than the book:
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  • Rich Purcell's eccentricity, which was already one of the less convincingly-written parts of the book, was dialed way up into sitcom territory.
  • The 'recruit academy' scene at the end was totally unnecessary, and felt unnatural. For instance, everybody's hand shooting up simultaneously the instant he asks if there are any questions.
  • Some of the one-liners fell a bit flat (Bruce Ng's change of clothes), or strong jokes from the book were replaced with weaker jokes (Watney no longer wondering about Aquaman, (.Y.)).
  • The love story between Beck and Johanssen should have been trimmed out; the helmet-kiss kind of came out of nowhere in the movie, and the flash-forward where they have a baby right as Ares V launches was pretty trite.

The way the handled Asian characters was also super weird. Given the limited number of well-known Indian-American actors who'd work as Kapoor, I can understand casting Ejiofor, but it was really silly that they still tried to pass him off as half-Indian. Just change his name, lose the 'many Gods' line, and move on. And I thought Mindy Park was supposed to be Korean-American; was it really that hard to find an Asian-American actress to play that role? Unlike Kapoor, this seemed like a gratuitous change.

Watney was well-cast. Reading the book, I was thinking Ben Browder, probably because of the parallels with his Farscape character. But Matt Damon fit the role perfectly too.


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I wasn't really bothered by some of the things that bothered you. The ending was somewhat cheesy but they wanted to show he's not a broken man, I suppose. The love story was nice - I liked not having a main character be involved in a love story, and I didn't feel it was over the top - it emphasized the other crew members also have their own lives and world we're not privy to.


As for the actors, from what I understand they had an Indian (or of Indian descent) actor lined up that canceled at the last minute, although I have to wonder how last-minute it was if they could still get Ejiofor, who's probably more well-known than any internationally-famous Indian actor I can think of, with the exceptions of Dev Patel (who's probably too young for the role) and Ben Kingsley (who's of half-Indian descent and I don't know if that's the kind of movie he'd do). As for Mindy Park, I found out her Korean heritage or ancestry isn't mentioned anywhere in the book, but only outside of the book, so I figured it's fine to recast her as white, but then learned Park is almost exclusively a Korean name, so I suppose it's not such a great move either.

On the other hand, there was a letter by some Asian actor's guild or something like that who called these recasts as "whitewashing", which is fine in the case of Mindy Park, but I find it a bit distasteful when talking about Ejiofor. Also, the author had some really weird comments on why he chose the different races (there's one paragraph where he essentially says "I wanted it to be easy to distinguish between them so I made them all different races!")
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Re: The Martian

Postby Chen » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:15 pm UTC

I never pictured Mindy as Korean.

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Map/Park

While it does appear to more commonly be an Asian name in the US, there's a significant number of caucasians with that name as well it seems. I've seen a lot of articles and stuff calling this whitewashing but it seems a bit of a stretch considering her ethnicity isn't even hinted at in the book.

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Re: The Martian

Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:35 pm UTC

Yeah, nothing about her race or ethnicity is mentioned in the book (according to other readers). And I'm surprised about the statistics in this website, interesting, thanks for the link.
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