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Postby thecommabandit » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:09 am UTC

existential_elevator wrote:I loved VVVVV. It was interesting, and never got too frustrating.

What planet do you live on? Or am I just really bad at VVVVVV?
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Postby SirBryghtside » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:14 am UTC

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existential_elevator wrote:I loved VVVVV. It was interesting, and never got too frustrating.

What planet do you live on? Or am I just really bad at VVVVVV?

It was difficult, granted, but the way it was set up meant it never got frustrating. Easily in my top ten games of all time.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:37 am UTC

SirBryghtside wrote:
thecommabandit wrote:
existential_elevator wrote:I loved VVVVV. It was interesting, and never got too frustrating.

What planet do you live on? Or am I just really bad at VVVVVV?

It was difficult, granted, but the way it was set up meant it never got frustrating. Easily in my top ten games of all time.


All it did for me was highlight just how ridiculously slow my reaction time has become. I got like 4 minutes into the game when I ran into a screen I just could not get past.
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Postby Drumheller769 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:00 pm UTC

Is there anyway to predict/find out when a game, say torchlight, might go on sale for 3 dollars again?
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Postby Felstaff » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:07 pm UTC

Keep an eye on the release date for Torchlight II.

As soon as Arkham City's release date was announced, I got Arkham Asylum for 3.75 GBS (Great British Smackeroonies)
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Postby existential_elevator » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:18 pm UTC

SirBryghtside wrote:
thecommabandit wrote:
existential_elevator wrote:I loved VVVVV. It was interesting, and never got too frustrating.

What planet do you live on? Or am I just really bad at VVVVVV?

It was difficult, granted, but the way it was set up meant it never got frustrating. Easily in my top ten games of all time.
Exactly that. The way it was set up, you can play till you get to a screen you're stuck on, and well, chip away at it when you want. As soon as you "solve" a screen, you don't need to do it again. I used to play 5 - 10 minutes a day when I was stuck on things :D You never lose your progress, so it's not quite like meatboy where if you die just before the end of the level you have to do all the ridiculously hard things again.

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SirBryghtside wrote:
thecommabandit wrote:
existential_elevator wrote:I loved VVVVV. It was interesting, and never got too frustrating.

What planet do you live on? Or am I just really bad at VVVVVV?

It was difficult, granted, but the way it was set up meant it never got frustrating. Easily in my top ten games of all time.
Exactly that. The way it was set up, you can play till you get to a screen you're stuck on, and well, chip away at it when you want. As soon as you "solve" a screen, you don't need to do it again. I used to play 5 - 10 minutes a day when I was stuck on things :D You never lose your progress, so it's not quite like meatboy where if you die just before the end of the level you have to do all the ridiculously hard things again.
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Postby Beardhammer » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:38 pm UTC

Arkham Asylum is $7.50 today, Midweek Madness. I still haven't gotten it. Just spent my game money on the Twilight Princess Zelda game and Metroid Prime 3. I'm relearning some lovely obscenities as I remember how fucking much console gamepads and controllers SUCK ASS compared to mice and keyboards.

I've died at least twice in the Zelda game simply because aiming with the little wiimote thing takes way too fucking long, and because the camera sucks. I don't see how this game's been given five stars by so many people; it's still fun, though.

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Postby Endless Mike » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:58 pm UTC

Disagree. I can't play platformers for shit with a mouse and keyboard.

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Postby Xeio » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:16 pm UTC

Ew, I can't imagine playing something like assasin's creed on a mouse/keyboard.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution bundles are around. Too bad it uses steamworks. :|

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Postby The Scyphozoa » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:31 pm UTC

IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.
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Postby Endless Mike » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:35 pm UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.

This is probably the most accurate way of putting it.

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Postby SirBryghtside » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:56 pm UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.

I'll agree with that. Although I really wish they'd optimise for both - more than half my deaths in Mass Effect 2 were because 'Cover' and 'Jump Over Cover' were the same button.

wut

Edit: More OT, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines on Steam.

£3.74.

I'm buying it.
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Postby Xeio » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:41 pm UTC

Interesting thing, apparently Gamestop's pre-order bonuses are now becoming effective on Impulse (since their recent purchase, I guess). Though it seems the steam version is cheaper to compensate for the missing DLC. *ponders*

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Postby EdgarJPublius » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:08 am UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.


Obviously you've never tried the star destroyer sequence from The Force Unleashed with a keyboard/mouse set up.
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Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:37 am UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.


Either way sucks pretty bad. Keyboard+Mouse control usually isn't that bad for actual game play (even if it makes games a lot easier), but it's the hideously unresponsive and unintuitive interfaces and menu systems that make the setup generally quite insufferable.

Unless we're speaking something like GTA4, which absolutely requires a controller, or you're left with the control options
  • Slamming the accelerator.
  • Slamming the brake.
  • Hard turn left.
  • Hard turn right.
You can imagine how that may be a handicap over incremental accelerator and brake controls as well as smooth steering.
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Postby Beardhammer » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:12 am UTC

Endless Mike wrote:Disagree. I can't play platformers for shit with a mouse and keyboard.


Then blame it on really sloppy controls. I died twice in the Goron mines place because of yeah don't use this word like that-mode controls. Why have they insisted on making Zelda games platformers ever since Ocarina of Time? You don't even get to manually jump - it does it for you and sucks to be you if you were just trying to reposition yourself and it decided you were actually trying to jump off the side into a big pile of molten lava, with ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOTHING IN THE AREA YOU COULD JUMP TO.

More I play Twilight Princess the more it's going from the 5 stars everyone says it's good for down to like... 2 stars, tops. Seriously, I'm really, really glad I bought a second-hand version so Nintendo didn't get any money from the sale. Shitty controls like these don't deserve to be rewarded.
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Postby existential_elevator » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:18 am UTC

Beardhammer, are you me?
I refuse to play Zelda since my experiences with it have taught me that it's a platformer with no jump button.

Know what's good though? Okami. Play that instead.

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Postby thecommabandit » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:54 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:Unless we're speaking something like GTA4, which absolutely requires a controller, or you're left with the control options
  • Slamming the accelerator.
  • Slamming the brake.
  • Hard turn left.
  • Hard turn right.
You can imagine how that may be a handicap over incremental accelerator and brake controls as well as smooth steering.

It was the same for Dirt 2. I started trying to play with a keyboard. Nope. I literally waited until my friend posted me a spare gamepad he had before I played it. Pretty much all racing games require gamepads for the incremental control.
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Postby Windowlicker » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:14 pm UTC

So I opened up Steam today to see this:

Spoiler:
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What the fuck are they doing with this game?


And re: control pad/keyboard&mouse.. yeah, some games should definitely only work with one. I wouldn't say platformers as a whole need a gamepad: Trine would be horrendous with one, I think. It would just be easier to say that anything that requires twitch reactions should be done with a keyboard/mouse.. mostly, shooters and RTS.
I've had real problems with most of the driving games I've tried to play on a PC.. for some reason, the controls always seem hypersensitive (this is with a gamepad). Even just touching the joystick will send the car in a frickin' 90 degree turn. For some reason, no matter how much I mess with the settings, I can't seem to get it to work right. Dirt was the last one I tried, which had reasonably full settings for the gamepad.. but in the end, my options were either "impossibly sharp turns ALWAYS" or "what's that? you're touching the joystick? Naaaah".

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Postby Obby » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:00 pm UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:
The Scyphozoa wrote:IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.


Obviously you've never tried the star destroyer sequence from The Force Unleashed with a keyboard/mouse set up.


Oh my god, fuck that game. It's so horribly optimized for the keyboard and mouse that I couldn't make it past that Star Destroyer level. And the camera... *shudder*

Thank god I only paid ~$3 for it, IIRC. I might be tempted to go back to it, though, since I should be getting a wired 360 controller next week. Maybe I can be persuaded to desecrate my computer with such a device...
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Postby Xeio » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:22 pm UTC

Obby wrote:Thank god I only paid ~$3 for it, IIRC. I might be tempted to go back to it, though, since I should be getting a wired 360 controller next week. Maybe I can be persuaded to desecrate my computer with such a device...
Dooo it. I loves me some controller action on my PC. I wouldn't have bought AC: Brotherhood without it.

Anyone know if bulletstorm is worth it for say $15 on Impulse? Sounded like some mindless fun, but I wasn't prepared to pay full price for it so now I'm thinking maybe...

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Obby wrote:
EdgarJPublius wrote:
The Scyphozoa wrote:IMO playing something with a mouse and keyboard when it's meant for a controller isn't nearly as bad as the other way around.


Obviously you've never tried the star destroyer sequence from The Force Unleashed with a keyboard/mouse set up.


Oh my god, fuck that game. It's so horribly optimized for the keyboard and mouse that I couldn't make it past that Star Destroyer level. And the camera... *shudder*

Thank god I only paid ~$3 for it, IIRC. I might be tempted to go back to it, though, since I should be getting a wired 360 controller next week. Maybe I can be persuaded to desecrate my computer with such a device...

Ain't got nothing on Rayman 3.

The tutorial was literally (and I'm using the word literally literally here) impossible without plugging in a gamepad.
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Postby pseudoidiot » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:35 pm UTC

Windowlicker wrote:And re: control pad/keyboard&mouse.. yeah, some games should definitely only work with one. I wouldn't say platformers as a whole need a gamepad: Trine would be horrendous with one, I think.
I've only played Trine on PS3 so I can't compare the controls between different types, but I didn't think the controls were a problem at all with a console controller. I can see how a mouse might be better for the wizard's powers, but I didn't find myself using him much. But for the warrior & thief, at least, I think the controls were just fine.
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Postby Windowlicker » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:46 pm UTC

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Windowlicker wrote:And re: control pad/keyboard&mouse.. yeah, some games should definitely only work with one. I wouldn't say platformers as a whole need a gamepad: Trine would be horrendous with one, I think.
I've only played Trine on PS3 so I can't compare the controls between different types, but I didn't think the controls were a problem at all with a console controller. I can see how a mouse might be better for the wizard's powers, but I didn't find myself using him much. But for the warrior & thief, at least, I think the controls were just fine.

I could be wrong, it just seems that more than any other platformer, being able to point at the right thing is important. I guess the warrior would be fine, but for thief at least.. I dunno how easy it would be to aim arrows or chain together grappels, that sort of thing.

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Postby Xeio » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:52 pm UTC

Aiming arrows is simple with a controller, though I was more annoyed that the game was very bad at deciding to aim up/down when an enemy was not exactly level with you. Stairs are your worst enemy with ranged weapons. :P

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Postby ProZac » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:19 pm UTC

I played Trine on PS3 with a friend. We pretty much never used the warrior. He had no trouble controlling the thief, though I found myself desiring a mouse for the wizard.

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Postby Beardhammer » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:34 pm UTC

Beat the water temple in Twilight Princess. It was just as back-asswards and completely fucking idiotically designed as Ocarina of Time's water temple. I actually had to break down and use a fucking guide to tell me where to go to find the stupid little piece of shit target-thing I had to hookshot to was. It was directly overhead a door I'd gone back and forth between for TWENTY MINUTES and I never noticed it because the camera doesn't show you the ceiling unless you stand still and first-person look with it (and look right at it.) Also died once or twice because of how finnicky the movement controls are, combined with how happy Link is to just gleefully jump off a ledge straight into a bottomless pit. The boss was really, really disappointing. Stand in place outside of tentacle range, wait for the eye to get close enough, grab it with hookshot, stab it. Ignore the fish-bombs it makes because they don't bother you. Repeat. I spent about five minutes trying to land on top of the snake-eel-fish before noticing I could use the hookshot while swimming around. Once I realized this I killed the boss in about thirty seconds.

I didn't take any damage. I understand these games are designed so that kids can play them without needing an adult to tell them what to do... but, seriously? I spent two damn hours in that shithole for a boss that was a complete non-threat?

Sorry. I got off-track.

I'm still not convinced that a gamepad can ever match a mouse and keyboard setup for ANYTHING except maybe a driving game - and, hey, they have racing wheels and even pedals for that stuff. Maybe games that use driving but not as the entire game, like the GTA games... but I beat San Andreas with mouse and keyboard and never had issues.

Even a game like Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light was better with a mouse and keyboard, and I'm fairly certain it was designed with consoles in mind and PC support was tacked on later. I hated how imprecise the controls were with mouse and keyboard so I plugged in a dual shock clone gamepad... and it was actually a LOT worse with the gamepad. Now not only is my movement imprecise... so is my aiming! No wonder console shooters allow autoaim, even in MLG-level tournaments...

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Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:53 pm UTC

Beardhammer wrote:I'm still not convinced that a gamepad can ever match a mouse and keyboard setup for ANYTHING except maybe a driving game - and, hey, they have racing wheels and even pedals for that stuff. Maybe games that use driving but not as the entire game, like the GTA games... but I beat San Andreas with mouse and keyboard and never had issues.

Even a game like Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light was better with a mouse and keyboard, and I'm fairly certain it was designed with consoles in mind and PC support was tacked on later. I hated how imprecise the controls were with mouse and keyboard so I plugged in a dual shock clone gamepad... and it was actually a LOT worse with the gamepad. Now not only is my movement imprecise... so is my aiming! No wonder console shooters allow autoaim, even in MLG-level tournaments...


Gamepad shooter aiming is very unintuitive. I've come to realize that first you aim in the general direction you want to shoot, and then you fine tune by strafing. With a mouse, you just aim where you want the bullets to go and that's it.
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Postby Xeio » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:51 pm UTC

You use strafing to aim? I use it to avoid fire, though depending on the shooter this is less useful (halo -> accuracy is king and avoiding fire is productive, CoD -> you just need to hit them and they basically die).

I mean, if you're going to make gross generalizations like that, might as well mention that all the control you gain in your mouse is taken from the movement (8 directions, 2 speeds; rather than full granularity).

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Postby Beardhammer » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:14 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:You use strafing to aim? I use it to avoid fire, though depending on the shooter this is less useful (halo -> accuracy is king and avoiding fire is productive, CoD -> you just need to hit them and they basically die).

I mean, if you're going to make gross generalizations like that, might as well mention that all the control you gain in your mouse is taken from the movement (8 directions, 2 speeds; rather than full granularity).


Which is a massive, massive difference. Joypads aren't nearly as precise as even a ten year old mouse, let alone a modern gaming mouse. Honestly I hate how Twilight Princess is forcing me to use the stupid wiimote to aim my hookshot and bow, though I don't think they're necessarily related.

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Postby Soralin » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:14 am UTC

Xeio wrote:I mean, if you're going to make gross generalizations like that, might as well mention that all the control you gain in your mouse is taken from the movement (8 directions, 2 speeds; rather than full granularity).

What about joystick + mouse? :) Joystick in one hand, mouse in the other.

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Postby The Scyphozoa » Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:26 am UTC

Actually, I plan to get this when it comes out: http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/produ ... -shark-360

Basically, you have a mouse, but with the Xbox's A, B, X, and Y buttons on the left side. Then you have this other thing which you hold in your left hand, which contains the left thumbstick and d-pad, as well as the left and right bumpers and some other buttons. So I can aim with a mouse, but I get to use the thumbstick to move, which is more precise than WASD. (Or ESDF as I prefer.)
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Postby You, sir, name? » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:38 am UTC

Xeio wrote:You use strafing to aim? I use it to avoid fire, though depending on the shooter this is less useful (halo -> accuracy is king and avoiding fire is productive, CoD -> you just need to hit them and they basically die).

I mean, if you're going to make gross generalizations like that, might as well mention that all the control you gain in your mouse is taken from the movement (8 directions, 2 speeds; rather than full granularity).


I'm using it to fine-tune. Xbox controllers have a massive dead zone in the middle of the thumbsticks, making small corrections in aim impossible. If you also strafe (or walk, even smaller corrections require you to walk away from/towards the target while strafing slowly, again to avoid the huge dead zone). If I you anywhere near the precision I have with keyboard+mouse, you kinda need it. Though it's all part of one continuous aiming process, so it may not be evident you're doing it.
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Postby Beardhammer » Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:06 am UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:Actually, I plan to get this when it comes out: http://splitfish.com/index.php/en/produ ... -shark-360

Basically, you have a mouse, but with the Xbox's A, B, X, and Y buttons on the left side. Then you have this other thing which you hold in your left hand, which contains the left thumbstick and d-pad, as well as the left and right bumpers and some other buttons. So I can aim with a mouse, but I get to use the thumbstick to move, which is more precise than WASD. (Or ESDF as I prefer.)


Why not just use a regular keyboard, or a hybrid like the Nostromo?

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Re: Great Steam Deals (And other Online Distribution Systems

Postby The Scyphozoa » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:58 pm UTC

Well, I could buy the XIM3 which is an Xbox 360 adapter that lets you use a keyboard, but it's $150 while the thing I mentioned earlier is only $90.
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Re: Great Steam Deals (And other Online Distribution Systems

Postby Endless Mike » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:24 am UTC

Beardhammer, are you just maybe not good at games because I don't remember ever having trouble in TP, and I played it on Wii.

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Re: Great Steam Deals (And other Online Distribution Systems

Postby Beardhammer » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:06 am UTC

Endless Mike wrote:Beardhammer, are you just maybe not good at games because I don't remember ever having trouble in TP, and I played it on Wii.


I don't play a lot of console games or use gamepads, if that's what you're asking. The movement controls are loose and feel sloppy, and there's no actual jump button - everything's done automatically, which really doesn't make sense to me. The actual game is comically easy. I haven't taken any damage from any boss since the very first one, haven't had to bug the Navi clone for advice, and I still have the first fairy I caught (outside the door to the first boss.) The platforming sections are made idiotic due to shitty camera angles and sloppy controls, but everything else is child-easy. I'm pretty sure you could play the game without picking up any heart containers and be just fine. Seriously, I think the most damage I've ever taken was a full heart when I was dicking around with the statue and making it hit Link.

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Re: Great Steam Deals (And other Online Distribution Systems

Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:49 pm UTC

Brink is free-to-play this weekend on Steam.
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Re: Great Steam Deals (And other Online Distribution Systems

Postby Jorpho » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:39 pm UTC

Eh, not so much interested in Brink. But The Maw for $4 is kind of tempting. Any thoughts on that?

I passed on Darksiders for $5 during the Steam sale, but I'm reconsidering. (It's $5 and steam-activatable on GamersGate right now.)

And if for some reason you held off on the Humble Indie Bundle 3, it now includes Atom Zombie Smasher.


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