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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Oregonaut » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:13 pm UTC

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:30 pm UTC

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Well, if it makes you feel any better, FiveThirtyEight is saying that O'Donnell only has a 0.7% chance of winning the election in Delaware. The most generous poll for O'Donnell shows her at 42%, whereas Coons sits at 53%.
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Postby Teapot » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:32 pm UTC

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby meatyochre » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:33 pm UTC

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Is there something I should be worrying about here?

YES! Make sure your toys are fully charged or else they might run out of juice prematurely.

That'd be my primary concern...
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Oregonaut » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:48 pm UTC

Wait, now I'm even more confused. Why are we using toys AND my feet? How does this work?
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Postby pseudoidiot » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:53 pm UTC

Listen. I wouldn't worry about that.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Oregonaut » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:54 pm UTC

Right. I keep forgetting I have a canary in my ass.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:54 pm UTC

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Postby Whelan » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:20 pm UTC

Oregonaut wrote:Right. I keep forgetting I have a canary in my ass.

Okay, I get the reference, but seriously that's disturbing. People have died trying to extract that thong and their lives should not be used in idle fripperies.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Oregonaut » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:29 pm UTC

<Honest laughter>

Yes, but how do you know that they didn't ENJOY removing that thong?
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby joshz » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:08 am UTC

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Well, if it makes you feel any better, FiveThirtyEight is saying that O'Donnell only has a 0.7% chance of winning the election in Delaware. The most generous poll for O'Donnell shows her at 42%, whereas Coons sits at 53%.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:59 am UTC

Think of it this way: If I said "There exists a number greater than zero of functioning humans (i.e. relatively sane) on Earth who believe everyone should stop having sex," it would most likely be true, what with the whole "there are a lot of people on Earth" thing. That fact that one such person is able to say it in an interview shouldn't really be a huge concern.

If she had a good chance of winning the election, that would be a concern. But if sex sells, then wouldn't preventing people from having sex severely hurt your popularity? I don't think she has a chance at all.
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Postby joshz » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:14 am UTC

I wish you were right, but what's the campaign against it going to be? Bringing out the pro-masturbators? (this point shamelessly stolen from the Daily Show)

According to wiki, "She has also stated that sexual behavior is a personal matter, and that her political actions will be based on the Constitution, rather than her personal views." So it'd be tough to make an argument against her based on that.

I'm almost certain she'll lose, but if people get too complacent in that belief and don't vote (like what happened in the Republican primary), then she has a fair chance.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:20 am UTC

Is it actually legal to put out an ad that says, "Seriously, she wants you to stop doin it. What the hell man. Seriously."? If so, we should totally do this. If not, we should walk around with megaphones shouting it. I guarantee most people would see this as a reason not to vote for her.
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Postby Xeio » Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:46 am UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:Is it actually legal to put out an ad that says, "Seriously, she wants you to stop doin it. What the hell man. Seriously."? If so, we should totally do this. If not, we should walk around with megaphones shouting it. I guarantee most people would see this as a reason not to vote for her.
Well, there happens to be a rally next month where you cold probably take "Masturbation is kinda nice" signs. :roll:

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I absolutely hate those commercials because people actually do put on a ridiculous amount and make a horrible smell absolutely overpowering.

On that note, I do enjoy one of AXE's competitors' commercials with the woman that says, "I don't want to smell you here..." (walks closer to camera) "...here..." (walks even closer) "...or even here."


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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby GhostWolfe » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:46 am UTC

An online dating site ran an ad showing guys doing fairly romantic things, and ending with the tagline of "the only thing missing is you". And I thought that's kinda nice and touching, I'm okay with this ad.

Then I saw an ad that looked similar, but with lonely women....... except at the end it was a commercial for deodorant.

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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Levi » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:19 am UTC

I saw a commercial the other day. There were a bunch of scenes of different high school (I think) girls talking about how the air doesn't care if you're black, white, old, young, whatever. Ok, cool. Some group is advocating equality. Then: WTF, this is a commercial for Verizon?

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Levi wrote:I saw a commercial the other day. There were a bunch of scenes of different high school (I think) girls talking about how the air doesn't care if you're black, white, old, young, whatever. Ok, cool. Some group is advocating equality. Then: WTF, this is a commercial for Verizon?

Yes, I think it makes sense. Telling people that with cell phones, they can do badass shit, like meeting on comment threads, battling roving bands of trolls, and holding the great dialogues of the age.


Also, I thought this commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNc7GzRSqM (posted earlier in this thread, but I can't find it) actually worked quite well. Think of the stork as some kind of guardian angel or something. The only part I didn't get was the part with the wolves, but whatever.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:00 am UTC

The Scyphozoa wrote:Also, I thought this commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNc7GzRSqM (posted earlier in this thread, but I can't find it) actually worked quite well. Think of the stork as some kind of guardian angel or something. The only part I didn't get was the part with the wolves, but whatever.

Well, notice that the stork stops in the desert to rest and it protects the baby from the sun. I'm assuming the stork stopped in that mountainous forest region to rest as well, and it happened (unfortunately) to be where a bunch of wolves were, so it was protecting the baby from the wolves. Why wolves would attack a stork, I have no idea, but the commercial was good enough that I gave in to the suspension of disbelief.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby meatyochre » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:48 am UTC

Yeah I can't imagine a stork having much meat on it. They're mostly beak. But if the wolves were hungry enough... maybe!

Or perhaps they were looking to try... human foie gras! Soylent gras is people, you know.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Plasma Man » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:03 pm UTC

There are two that I've come across recently. First of all, my local Co-Op supermarket has started selling, in its premium range, gluten-free pork sausages. I know that normal sausages often have wheat-based bulking agents added, but you really wouldn't expect that in a premium one, so advertising it as gluten-free is somewhat redundant.

Second, and much more serious, was an advert I heard on the radio for a new model of car from Ford. It listed some of the features, which included "headlights that follow you home". WTF? A) That's very creepy, and B) headlights are meant to go at the front.
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Postby pseudoidiot » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:22 pm UTC

Now I'm picturing someone walking home at midnight. Suddenly there's a bright light behind them. They turn around but can't see anyone. Is it a car? Why isn't it moving? Why's it just parked there?

They keep walking, but the light follows them. It makes absolutely no noise.

They start running. Still the light follows.

They try losing the stalker by dashing through alleys and taking an unconventional route. Still the light keeps coming.

Eventually the person makes it home, preparing to barricade themselves inside and maybe call the police. But the light goes off, and there hovering above the driveway are two headlights.
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Postby Dason » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:09 pm UTC

Plasma Man wrote:... which included "headlights that follow you home". WTF? A) That's very creepy, and B) headlights are meant to go at the front.

Apparently it's just headlights that stay on for a little while longer after you turn the car off so you have lighting while you walk to your front door? Or at least that's what somebody says here.
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Postby Antimony-120 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:01 pm UTC

So... headlights that drain your battery?
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Postby broken_escalator » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:06 pm UTC

I didn't realize that was a feature worth advertising. My car keeps them on for no longer than a minute after I lock it and its helpful for really dark nights when the motion detector lights don't turn on. Or if someone has them off. I think my car battery can handle a minute of lamp usage without being drained. Otherwise I really need a new battery.

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Postby Levi » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:44 pm UTC

My car seems to do it at random. Sometimes it will leave the lights on for a minute or two and other times they will go off the minute I turn off the car. Wait, I'm thinking of the radio. The radio does that. I still haven't been able to figure out causes it.

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Postby Oregonaut » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:54 pm UTC

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Postby meatyochre » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:29 pm UTC

That's a stupid thing to advertise, most new cars do that by default. My car's lights will stay on for about 20 seconds unless I use the remote to lock it once I'm outside of it.
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Postby Briareos » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:45 am UTC

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Briareos wrote:Pizza Hut: "People love pizza. They don't love math." Fuck you, Pizza Hut; fuck you.

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Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:24 am UTC

no kidding, I'm sure mine wasn't the only chess club that ordered loads of terrible cheap pizza on an almost weekly basis.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby uncivlengr » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:33 pm UTC

So this is a bit of a tangent, but has anyone actually done any study to figure out if telling people, "we'll be right back, don't change the channel!" is actually effective? I was listening to the local rock radio station and heard that, and it immediately compelled me to do exactly that.

It was actually more obnoxious - something sarcastic like, "You know, it's not only a bad idea to change the channel, it's actually dangerous to do so.... [explosion noise] We don't recommend it!"

Who listens to something like that and thinks, "gee, if you say so!" and not, "oh boy, here come the annoying advertisements"? On top of that, I probably wouldn't have even bothered to change the channel if they hadn't brought that to my attention.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Keand64 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:20 pm UTC

uncivlengr wrote:So this is a bit of a tangent, but has anyone actually done any study to figure out if telling people, "we'll be right back, don't change the channel!" is actually effective? I was listening to the local rock radio station and heard that, and it immediately compelled me to do exactly that.

It was actually more obnoxious - something sarcastic like, "You know, it's not only a bad idea to change the channel, it's actually dangerous to do so.... [explosion noise] We don't recommend it!"

Who listens to something like that and thinks, "gee, if you say so!" and not, "oh boy, here come the annoying advertisements"? On top of that, I probably wouldn't have even bothered to change the channel if they hadn't brought that to my attention.


Perhaps eventually there'll be a commercial break entry dialog (that's what I'm calling them) that'll ENCOURAGE you to change the channel.

On a somewhat unrelated note - everytime I see the commercial that goes "A women is sexually assaulted every three minutes in America" [I actually don't remember the time unit used, just that it was something really short], I wonder what their criteria for distinguishing sexual assault from Sain* is.

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Postby joshz » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:23 pm UTC

For those (like me) who have no clue what fire emblem is http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Sain says "Sain is a jovial skirt-chaser of a knight who considers it his "curse" to be attracted to all women."

And you should explain what you mean, Keand64, lest I think you're advocating rape.
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Postby Poochy » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:17 pm UTC

My interpretation is that he's wondering what their criteria is for distinguishing actual sexual assault from, say, being hit on.

I tend to have a problem with how the "every <time duration>, one [category] <nationality> has <bad thing> happen to them" statistic is so frequently used to hide the actual frequency to make <bad thing> seem more worthy of attention. For example, I once saw a pitch for $50 oral cancer screenings that talked about how one American every hour gets diagnosed with it. (I do have to give them credit for mentioning that it's usually not covered by health insurance, though.)

Without even needing to look up any other info, here's what I thought on the spot:
1 person per hour = 24 people per day < 10,000 people per year < 1 in every 30,000 Americans per year.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Keand64 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:30 pm UTC

Poochy wrote:My interpretation is that he's wondering what their criteria is for distinguishing actual sexual assault from, say, being hit on.


Yeah, that's more or less what I meant.

Poochy wrote:I tend to have a problem with how the "every <time duration>, one [category] <nationality> has <bad thing> happen to them" statistic is so frequently used to hide the actual frequency to make <bad thing> seem more worthy of attention.


And that would be the point I was taking such a roundabout method of making. I think most people tend to forget (at least the people that the creators of these advertisements hope will watch said advertisements) that "one person per [time unit] in America" is a lot smaller when you consider that America has three hundred million people, so, off the top of my head, thats about 0.00000033% of the nation.

EDIT: Correction - 0.0000000033% of America, and also, I found that, assuming one person per second in America is [something to convince you to get a product in a commercial], it would take about a decade before 1% of the population is affected.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby SurgicalSteel » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:02 pm UTC

Keand64 wrote: I found that, assuming one person per second in America is [something to convince you to get a product in a commercial], it would take about a decade before 1% of the population is affected.

Wait:
1 person per second = 60 people per minute = 3600 people per hour = 86,400 people per day = 31,536,000 people per year = 315,360,000 per decade
Approximate population of U.S. as of 2010: 310,387,000
Approximate population of Earth as of 2010: 6,872,200,000
315,360,000 is about 4.5% of the population of Earth.

So ... I think your math is off.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby The Scyphozoa » Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:07 pm UTC

So, these commercials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CErb461jHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1LB-U5z3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFytHoXdG3E

So, basically, "Hey look wacky guys with a wacky accent doing wacky things that you wouldn't expect guys with that accent to do!"

I happened to see the Spanish version of this commercial (have to watch an hour of Spanish every week for Spanish class). It's two Hispanic guys, with Hispanic accents, being mildly wacky. What, they don't think minorities can find other accents funny? Well, they're probably right, because I don't find them funny.
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Re: Logical fallacies/douchebaggery in commercials.

Postby Antimony-120 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:51 am UTC

SurgicalSteel wrote:
Keand64 wrote: I found that, assuming one person per second in America is [something to convince you to get a product in a commercial], it would take about a decade before 1% of the population is affected.

Wait:
1 person per second = 60 people per minute = 3600 people per hour = 86,400 people per day = 31,536,000 people per year = 315,360,000 per decade
Approximate population of U.S. as of 2010: 310,387,000
Approximate population of Earth as of 2010: 6,872,200,000
315,360,000 is about 4.5% of the population of Earth.

So ... I think your math is off.


Of course part of the issue is that you'll get a turnover rate, as new people are being born and others are dying. So the actual "pool" of people across a decade is larger than the "pool" at any given point in time. Nonetheless, 1/sec is a very high rate. (You also neglected leap years, but that's a minor point).

More than anything though this particular fallacy isn't just about a math fail, it's a series of small failures that add up. First off, the rate is probably NOT as high as they suggest. Even if the rate WAS as high as they suggest, it's likely that many of the "units sold" or whatever are people who are getting a new unit to replace a broken or lost one, are testing the product out and may not continue to use it, and various errata in terms of being placed in inventory or used for one time things. Finally, the rate, even if it was as high as they suggested, is likely not sustainable. Any growing market will naturally have very fast growth in the early stages, and slow down later as the target market becomes saturated, the market moves on, and the like. This sort of "choose the absolute best time and use that number" trickery is common.
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