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It bothers me when a science theory is named after a person

Postby gbagcn2 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:57 pm UTC

Whenever something relating to science is given a name the name should describe what it is. The same thing should apply to math as well since its even more abstract than science.

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby hawkmp4 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:06 pm UTC

"Theory governing the relationship between a conditional probability and it's inverse" or "Bayes' theorem?"
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:07 pm UTC

I definitely agree. From now on, the Planck Length shall be known as "The unit of length equal to 1.616252(81)×10−35 meters defined from the speed of light in a vacuum, the proportionality constant between the energy (E) of a photon and the frequency of its associated electromagnetic wave (ν), and the gravitational constant."

So much easier.

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Postby Dave_Wise » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:57 pm UTC

Not as much as it would if as person was named after a science theory.
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Postby crowey » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:15 pm UTC

Dave_Wise wrote:Not as much as it would if as person was named after a science theory.

Not as much as it would if that person then got a theory named after them...
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Postby Kewangji » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:16 pm UTC

I always did like the Einstein Theory, myself.
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Postby Styhn » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:26 am UTC

What's wrong with Galois Theory?

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:30 am UTC

gbagcn2 wrote:Whenever something relating to science is given a name the name should describe what it is. The same thing should apply to math as well since its even more abstract than science.

Why? That person discovered it. They deserve credit. I can't think of a better way to get it. (Of course, sometimes theories and laws are misnamed. Happens.)
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Vieto » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:08 am UTC

Lets see:
Gravity = Theory of Newton
Evolution = Darwin's theory
Relativity = The Einstein's Theory #3

I like the descriptive 1-2 word theory name better.

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Coffee » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:21 am UTC

What, like Kreb's Cycle vs Citric Acid Cycle?
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby The EGE » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:22 am UTC

I like it when a theory is named after a person. It's a way of honoring someone who discovered or formulated somehting new and important.

I also find it a lot easier to remember 'L'Hôpital's Rule' than 'the limit of an undefined fraction is equal to the limit of the derivative of the numerator divided by the derivative of the numerator'. And it means that folk like L'Hôpital (and Bernoulli) get remembered when otherwise they'd be forgotten, just once more anonymous person in the history.

Name a kid after a theory... that's an idea... make it subtle so it doesn't sound weird, perhaps as a middle name.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:04 am UTC

Vieto wrote:Lets see:
Gravity = Theory of Newton
Evolution = Darwin's theory
Relativity = The Einstein's Theory #3

I like the descriptive 1-2 word theory name better.

So what's your idea for the Planck Length? "Incredismallution"?

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:19 am UTC

Vieto wrote:Relativity = The Einstein's Theory #3
That one also sounds like a fragrance line.
I don't find it as strange as when body parts are named after people. For one, they didn't really make anything new, and secondly, now learning about anatomy introduces all these men's names to my crotch region.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby olubunmi » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:37 am UTC

What about chemical elements?

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby folkhero » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:50 am UTC

The EGE wrote:I also find it a lot easier to remember 'L'Hôpital's Rule' than 'the limit of an undefined fraction is equal to the limit of the derivative of the numerator divided by the derivative of the numerator'. And it means that folk like L'Hôpital (and Bernoulli) get remembered when otherwise they'd be forgotten, just once more anonymous person in the history.

There were actually about a half dozen Bernoullis who were influential in mathematics, fluid dynamics and science. They probably wouldn't have been forgot, though they are likely to be confused with one another.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Fat Zombie » Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:54 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:
Vieto wrote:Relativity = The Einstein's Theory #3
That one also sounds like a fragrance line.
I don't find it as strange as when body parts are named after people. For one, they didn't really make anything new, and secondly, now learning about anatomy introduces all these men's names to my crotch region.


I'm worried by how right you are. I picked out a few random names from this list: Body Parts Named After People

...And all of them were based in the pelvic area or genitals. Seriously. What the hey?

I do like the idea that naming these parts after people gives them ownership of sorts. That part of your brain that's responsible for patterns of speech, mimicry in particular? That's Wernicke's area, that is. Not yours. And one day, he'll be wanting it back.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby uncivlengr » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:13 pm UTC

Why do we even bother naming people with ambiguous terms like "Mary" and "Francis"? They should be identified by something descriptive.

From now on I'll be known as "26 year old male currently residing in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada. See Appendix A for history of education and employment, Appendix B for physical attributes, and Appendix C for geneology and known acquaintences."

Of course, there's nothing descriptive about "Charlottetown" or "Canada", so the next step would be to address that. Once we've completely eliminated proper nouns, everything will be so much more understandable.
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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:10 pm UTC

We could name you "Guy Who's Avatar Suspiciously Resembles Tom Waits"?

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Postby Dave_Wise » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:11 pm UTC

I think, given all that, that we should abandon the quaint verbal naming system in favour of a code. You know, like they have on electronic components? Maybe something like this:
A number for your age, M for Male, F for female and Uh for uncertain and then a six figure grid reference for where you sleep. That covers a/s/l. Next I think we need to know political orientation, IQ, and 1 rep max on deadlift, to give an indication of physical and mental strength similar to the way resistance is indicated by a resistor. Then we can have a one-letter code for 'celebrity', 'soldier', 'farmer', 'politician', 'industrial', 'unemployed', 'miscellaneous' and 'admin'. I think we should probably use slashes for ease of reading.
That would make me, for example:
24M/220070/140/300/M (the grid reference is not real, as I can't be bothered to look it up)
That would be the full code. For ease of use we could use a shorter version. As the middle three can and often do change, perhaps the short code could omit it, making me 24MM.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:12 pm UTC

One of my goals back when was to have a unit of scientific measurement named after me. Preferable something measuring the strength of an orgasm, the intensity of awesomeness, or somehow based against the incredibleness of my cock. Of course.
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Holy shit, did you see that explosion? That had to be at least 5 <Izawwlgoods>!
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Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:38 pm UTC

gbagcn2 wrote:Whenever something relating to science is given a name the name should describe what it is. The same thing should apply to math as well since its even more abstract than science.


You would feel differently if your last name was Gauss.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Rippy » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:17 pm UTC

I just find it annoying when people name theories after themselves. If other people think your discovery is good enough that they want to name it after you, then that's great, but try to be modest. I think (/ hope) that this is what the OP means to say.

If I discovered something new, I would definitely be naming it the most ridiculous thing the community would let me get away with. Like the Chupacabra constant or something.

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Postby Dream » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:53 pm UTC

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Of course, man. It was a bear on a surfboard blowing up a shark.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby smw543 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:10 am UTC

Rippy wrote:I just find it annoying when people name theories after themselves. If other people think your discovery is good enough that they want to name it after you, then that's great, but try to be modest. I think (/ hope) that this is what the OP means to say.

If I discovered something new, I would definitely be naming it the most ridiculous thing the community would let me get away with. Like the Chupacabra constant or something.

A good deal of the time, it's actually someone later down the line that names it after the discoverer. For example, Gräfenberg did not in fact name the G-spot after himself (though it would've been pretty funny if he had; even more so if he made his friends call him "G-spot").
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby poxic » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:42 pm UTC

Rippy wrote:If I discovered something new, I would definitely be naming it the most ridiculous thing the community would let me get away with. Like the Chupacabra constant or something.

"Sonic hedgehog homolog (SHH) is one of three proteins in the mammalian signaling pathway family called hedgehog, the others being desert hedgehog (DHH) and Indian hedgehog (IHH). SHH is the best studied ligand of the hedgehog signaling pathway."

Biologists everywhere now have to talk about sonic hedgehog with a straight face. I've seen the term crop up in a couple of Scientific American articles. They never comment on the name. Heh.
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Postby Shivahn » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:23 pm UTC

poxic wrote:
Rippy wrote:If I discovered something new, I would definitely be naming it the most ridiculous thing the community would let me get away with. Like the Chupacabra constant or something.

"Sonic hedgehog homolog (SHH) is one of three proteins in the mammalian signaling pathway family called hedgehog, the others being desert hedgehog (DHH) and Indian hedgehog (IHH). SHH is the best studied ligand of the hedgehog signaling pathway."

Biologists everywhere now have to talk about sonic hedgehog with a straight face. I've seen the term crop up in a couple of Scientific American articles. They never comment on the name. Heh.


Things are more ridiculous than you realize.

Robotnikinin as a Sonic antagonist? Crazy.

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby Jorpho » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:30 pm UTC

Isn't it time to link to http://www.xkcd.com/410/ ?

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby rubber314chicken » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:39 pm UTC

The EGE wrote:I also find it a lot easier to remember 'L'Hôpital's Rule' than 'the limit of an undefined fraction is equal to the limit of the derivative of the numerator divided by the derivative of the numerator'. And it means that folk like L'Hôpital (and Bernoulli) get remembered when otherwise they'd be forgotten, just once more anonymous person in the history.


I myself prefer the Hospital rule. Much easier to say.

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The Hospital rule.

Huh?

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby crowey » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:06 pm UTC

The drosophila lot get away with calling the genes all sorts of crazy things (though the genes also get a function related name, so that Drs don't have to tell the mother of an baby with an unusually hairy face that it has a mutation of the Groucho gene)

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Postby LTK » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:33 pm UTC

See, biologists know how to make sense! You don't have to know what crossing-over means to understand what the Dunce gene does.

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby You, sir, name? » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:47 pm UTC

It bothers me when a science theory is named after a pseudonym.
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Postby LTK » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:56 pm UTC

It bothers me when a gene is named after a videogame character.

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby drixoman » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:38 pm UTC

I agree...I hate it when theory are named after people...to me knowledge should be open-sourced too...

I wouldn't want to name anything after my name...at least if you have a pronouncable name you might able to cut it, but having a name like Zhang is just begging for humilation...everyone always pronounce it wrong and to me that's being disrespectful to the "discoverer", if you want to view it from the point of view of honor the guy that did the research, which I don't, not matter how much and how smart you are.

Example: Heisenberg Uncertainty principle (see I can't even spell his name right...) -> Uncertainty Principle

the only problem is that we are not creating enough jargon and terms that we can actually substitute for a person's name to be still descriptive for that theory's concept. (sadly those in English major don't even understand what we want)

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby drixoman » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:42 pm UTC

rubber314chicken wrote:
The EGE wrote:I also find it a lot easier to remember 'L'Hôpital's Rule' than 'the limit of an undefined fraction is equal to the limit of the derivative of the numerator divided by the derivative of the numerator'. And it means that folk like L'Hôpital (and Bernoulli) get remembered when otherwise they'd be forgotten, just once more anonymous person in the history.


I myself prefer the Hospital rule. Much easier to say.

spoiler'd for bad joke
Spoiler:
How'd you do number 27?

The Hospital rule.

Huh?

You can't do your calculus homework if you have to spend the night in the hospital!


and easier to spell too...(see my post below...)..although you just killed the descriptive part...but that's okay, your rather good joke covered that...

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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:15 pm UTC

drixoman wrote:I wouldn't want to name anything after my name...at least if you have a pronouncable name you might able to cut it, but having a name like Zhang is just begging for humilation...everyone always pronounce it wrong and to me that's being disrespectful to the "discoverer", if you want to view it from the point of view of honor the guy that did the research, which I don't, not matter how much and how smart you are.


Disrespect should only be found where disrespect is intended. Brutal abuse of pronunciation is unavoidable when people from different cultures interact in a common language. I don't take offense when people mispronounce my name (and it happens a lot). But I would take offense if they added the title "the stupid git" to my name, though.

There are some terms (like Zeeman splitting) that are so universally mispronounced that you really can't blame people.

drixoman wrote:the only problem is that we are not creating enough jargon and terms that we can actually substitute for a person's name to be still descriptive for that theory's concept. (sadly those in English major don't even understand what we want)


It's not the English majors that dictate science jargon, though. It's invented as we go along.
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Re: It bothers me when a science theory is named after a per

Postby drixoman » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:08 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote: It's not the English majors that dictate science jargon, though. It's invented as we go along.


yeah but it help if we had them or else we might create some really dumb word that just sound bad. Too bad they don't come near us science folk one bit..(stereotypes..)...It would be a real good example of science and arts working together...science get some new fancy jargon, arts ppl get to claim they "invented" them, everyone's happy?


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