This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exist.

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Are you still scared of them?

Yes
52
33%
No
104
67%
 
Total votes: 156

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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby pooteeweet » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:11 pm UTC

Levi wrote:
rigwarl wrote:This happens to me all the time and I hate it!

For example, swimming in my apartment's pool (4 ft deep) I keep turning around because I'm afraid there will be a shark behind me, even with the knowledge that 1) there isn't, and 2) I wouldn't be able to do anything even if there were.


If I can't see the bottom, there's obviously a five hundred foot long leviathan about to eat me.



Ohmygod ohmygod me too. I start hyperventilating if anyone manages to coax me, like, 10 feet away from the shore of any body of water, no matter how utterly implausible shark/alligator/prehistoric monster infestation is.

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Postby Dave_Wise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:13 pm UTC

It's not an entirely unreasonable fear, at least along the pembrokeshire and ceredigion coastline; the threat, though, is less of the tentacled/armour plated/toothed variety, and more to do with jellyfish.
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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby SummerGlauFan » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:59 pm UTC

LTK wrote:Reason has no place in fear.


Not so. There are many valid reasons to be afraid of certain things. For example, if I encountered a rabid dog I would be pretty afraid, and for good reason. Panic, on the other hand, is what eliminates all reason.

Then there's things like phobias or paranoia, but the point is it is quite possible to have healthy, reasonable fear.

Dave_Wise wrote:It's not an entirely unreasonable fear, at least along the pembrokeshire and ceredigion coastline; the threat, though, is less of the tentacled/armour plated/toothed variety, and more to do with jellyfish.



In other words, you have to worry about a nearly invisible threat* that doesn't so much bite you as injects you with agonizing, paralytic toxins.

* I watched a show about jellyfish on the Science channel that said most jellies are impossible to see in most near-shore water, even from less than a foot away.
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:29 pm UTC

Pretty much. But the jellyfish I'm talking about are the very visible kind. I've had the unsettling experience of going for a nice paddle, seeing my mates pointing at something, wondering what it was, following the direction of their fingers and seeing a largeish, pinkish-white thing with tentacles RIGHT BLOODY NEXT TO ME. I've never actually been stung, but it's not a nice thing to happen. Even if you were stung, it probably wouldn't do much serious harm, but I can't imagine it would be pleasant.
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Postby Box Boy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:34 pm UTC

Levi wrote:If I can't see the bottom, there's obviously a five hundred foot long leviathan about to eat me.

I call him Dagon.
ehs a pretty cool god who drives people mad an eats em and doesnt afraid of anythin
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:39 pm UTC

We should have a 'mythology' section on XKCD. To my mind, it's every bit as much a part of nerd culture as computer programming etc.
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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby Box Boy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:41 pm UTC

Dave_Wise wrote:We should have a 'mythology' section on XKCD. To my mind, it's every bit as much a part of nerd culture as computer programming etc.
Just post a few threads in SB and see what happens.*
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:49 pm UTC

I tend to keep out of SB, because I very rarely take anything seriously. It's just I wouldn't know where to put a mythology thread, except maybe for 'books' or 'general'
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Postby Box Boy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:55 pm UTC

There's also Free as in Destitute.
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:03 pm UTC

I meant to ask... I'm not entirely sure what that is. I clicked on it out of curiosity, and gathered that it was a sort of 'opt in' thing, but I'm not sure what kind of topics get discussed in there.
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Postby Josephine » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:15 pm UTC

Well, it's only moderated to the extent of US law (no porn or filesharing), and it can get pretty inane at times. But the more serious discussions tend to be like general, but with a better signal:noise ratio.
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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby LTK » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:39 pm UTC

SummerGlauFan wrote:
LTK wrote:Reason has no place in fear.


Not so. There are many valid reasons to be afraid of certain things. For example, if I encountered a rabid dog I would be pretty afraid, and for good reason. Panic, on the other hand, is what eliminates all reason.

Then there's things like phobias or paranoia, but the point is it is quite possible to have healthy, reasonable fear.


While most fear may have a solid reason behind it, the act of reasoning itself is not present in fear. If every person to almost step on a snake had to deduce that snake means fangs means venom means horribly painful death before fearing the snake, people would get bitten a lot more. In reality, snake means fear, so you can react a lot quicker.

Speaking of fear of snakes, there seems to be a hardwired aversion to them in most primates. If you show a snake to an ape, it shows fear of the snake even when it has never seen a snake before in its life. That means there must be a genetic predisposition towards fearing snakes. Most humans should have the same thing. However, from personal experience I've seen than I don't have this instinctive fear of snakes. The first time I saw a snake was in Italy where it was curled up on a rock, and my first reaction was intense fascination. I had only seen them on television (maybe I should blame Steve Irwin) so a real life snake was very interesting, but I don't recall feeling afraid of it. So maybe I've lost that hardwiring at some point in an ancestry spoiled by urban life.

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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby Dave_Wise » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:43 pm UTC

I'm not sure it's all hardwired though. It's perfectly possible to feel large amounts of fear for something not normally present in the average primate's environment, but which you know will hurt like buggery. I also tend to find that fear actually makes a dangerous situation even worse. Like heights- most of the time, you're in no actual danger unless you literally jump over the edge, but it's still scary. It's at such times that I wish the bene gesserit litany against fear worked in real life.
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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby Woopate » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:54 am UTC

While my imagination does run off on me, my mind typically wanders to physical manifestations of undeath. I imagine liches all the time while I'm in the dark.

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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby Coffee » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:11 pm UTC

Dave_Wise wrote:It's at such times that I wish the bene gesserit litany against fear worked in real life.

It does for me.
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Postby Dave_Wise » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:33 pm UTC

Really? to be honest, I can never remember enough of it to try it out.
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Re: This is a poll for those who know that ghosts don't exis

Postby Coffee » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:22 am UTC

Frank Herbert wrote:I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


I should add though that it's entirely possible that the only reason it works for me is because I expect it to.
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